I'm cautiously optimistic right now. The collapse of Reddit has spawned so much discourse about the nature of internet community, people willing to discuss alternative approaches, reflection on...
I'm cautiously optimistic right now. The collapse of Reddit has spawned so much discourse about the nature of internet community, people willing to discuss alternative approaches, reflection on how we've gone wrong the last decade, etc.
I hope this is the beginning of taking the internet back from the greedy corporate interests that have made it so awful for so long.
Is Reddit really collapsing though? There is certainly some outrage right now and the protests have been front and center but realistically the % of users using third party apps is small, and I’m...
Is Reddit really collapsing though? There is certainly some outrage right now and the protests have been front and center but realistically the % of users using third party apps is small, and I’m not sure how much the bulk of the user base will care once everything opens back up. There have been cycles of outrage before if I remember (firing Victoria for example).
Anecdotally I scrolled through my front page this morning and only a few of my subs apparently went private or are having any discussions about it. Maybe it’s just I tend to a follow a lot of smaller subs that aren’t usually political or meta to the site?
Reddit will be fine in terms of eyeballs on their ads and MAUs, etc. It's become large enough that the people scrolling the main subs for meme content are enough to sustain it. But the trust...
Reddit will be fine in terms of eyeballs on their ads and MAUs, etc. It's become large enough that the people scrolling the main subs for meme content are enough to sustain it. But the trust amongst the users that made it the home of most internet community for the last decade+ has eroded enough that I think we'll see some progress in moving communities away from Reddit.
Yeah, the blackout2015 sub is a reminder that the train keeps moving whether we are on or off. And the smaller subs are still excellent places to converse smaller topics. I feel that instead of...
Yeah, the blackout2015 sub is a reminder that the train keeps moving whether we are on or off. And the smaller subs are still excellent places to converse smaller topics.
I feel that instead of going dark or private, everyone should have just started shit posting. With no mods to take care of it, the site would get overrun pretty quickly.
I think Reddit has too much weight to truly collapse, but I think the broad canopy it extended to cover how many people spent their time online has diminished significantly. With the recession in...
I think Reddit has too much weight to truly collapse, but I think the broad canopy it extended to cover how many people spent their time online has diminished significantly. With the recession in influence of both Reddit and Twitter (and Facebook though that came previously), it feels like enough sunlight is hitting the forest floor for new seedlings to sprout and thrive in a way they haven't in a long time.
I saw this posted over at Hacker News and thought it captured something that I have had trouble putting into works about the change/loss of Reddit. The idea of "villages" supports much of the...
I saw this posted over at Hacker News and thought it captured something that I have had trouble putting into works about the change/loss of Reddit.
The idea of "villages" supports much of the enthusiasm I have for Tildes based on my brief time here so far. Hopefully I am not too "strange" of a stranger and can be a good part of this community.
I think I agree with most of it except for the “what would be good for Reddit” part. But with that said as someone who has a couple decades of community organizing and activism under my belt I can...
I think I agree with most of it except for the “what would be good for Reddit” part. But with that said as someone who has a couple decades of community organizing and activism under my belt I can agree wholeheartedly about the necessity for that, what I would refer to as, affinity group.
New members need to acclimate to the culture of the space and become familiar with others just as the long time members must become familiar with them. Once homeostasis is achieved then you can bring a few more in.
Interestingly there are a few ways to control this influx. In tildes we use an invite only system but in another space I help organize we simply use a “cultural” method. We find that those that don’t fit in seek another space even though we maintain an open door policy.
I relate to this so strongly. It's refreshing to not have some weird worry about how someone will be offended by something innocuous and start a crusade against you, I've wasted so many hours...
What you’ll get is a place where everyone is a stranger, where being a jerk is the norm, where there is no sense of belonging, where civility and arguing in good faith is irrelevant because you’re not talking to someone, you’re performing in front of an audience to make the number next to your comment go up so you can briefly feel something that almost resembles belonging and shared values.
I relate to this so strongly.
It's refreshing to not have some weird worry about how someone will be offended by something innocuous and start a crusade against you,
I've wasted so many hours trying to argue with brick walls and it's kinda sad when I look back on it.
I had a real unhealthy addiction to reddit, and it was actively making me a worse person.
It didn't start out that way, that site used to be good, but like a frog in slowly heating water, I started getting boiled alive without noticing.
I look at threads from 10 years ago and am reminded just how much better the site used to be.
I had so many times (on Reddit/Facebook) where I'd reply to someone sea lioning or just arguing in bad faith, I'd generally spot it too late, that I largely stopped replying at all other than...
I had so many times (on Reddit/Facebook) where I'd reply to someone sea lioning or just arguing in bad faith, I'd generally spot it too late, that I largely stopped replying at all other than sometimes pointing out something not for the argument but for everyone else reading the thread later and largely stopped trying to engage with most people directly.
Tildes has definitely sort of reignited the feeling that I might be able to have meaningful commentary again.
This is a form of Eternal September and I assume that it is one of the main reasons why Tildes is invite only, which slows growth and pushes September out a bit.
This is a form of Eternal September and I assume that it is one of the main reasons why Tildes is invite only, which slows growth and pushes September out a bit.
I don’t believe it. Where is reddit going to find new users to supplement, never mind replace its current users? It seems easy for Tilde to find enough new users in a short time to change it’s...
I don’t believe it.
Where is reddit going to find new users to supplement, never mind replace its current users? It seems easy for Tilde to find enough new users in a short time to change it’s character but to do it with Reddit you’d have to open an internet connection from Earth 2 or tear down the great firewall of China.
It’s a much more plausible plan to tell investors that they will increase the ad load, use sneaky tricks to make you click ads by accident, etc.
Occasionally you do see a site like Digg that believed its community was off-putting to a mass audience and could plausibly ditch it to make a bigger one, the way Digg fired Mr. BabyMan. It’s certain you can destroy your old community but not certain at all you will have any success at building a second community.
“Echo VR” is another case study: even Activision would keep alive the most successful VR game in the world and try to build on it, it takes Mark Zuckerberg to burn it down because he sees no path to enlarge it 1000x to make it large enough to make a difference for Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg is doing it for his own enrichment and entertainment, he knows perfectly well what he is doing. The owners of reddit on the other hand want to take advantage of investors who really don’t understand the value (or lack of value) of Reddit.
I'm cautiously optimistic right now. The collapse of Reddit has spawned so much discourse about the nature of internet community, people willing to discuss alternative approaches, reflection on how we've gone wrong the last decade, etc.
I hope this is the beginning of taking the internet back from the greedy corporate interests that have made it so awful for so long.
Is Reddit really collapsing though? There is certainly some outrage right now and the protests have been front and center but realistically the % of users using third party apps is small, and I’m not sure how much the bulk of the user base will care once everything opens back up. There have been cycles of outrage before if I remember (firing Victoria for example).
Anecdotally I scrolled through my front page this morning and only a few of my subs apparently went private or are having any discussions about it. Maybe it’s just I tend to a follow a lot of smaller subs that aren’t usually political or meta to the site?
Reddit will be fine in terms of eyeballs on their ads and MAUs, etc. It's become large enough that the people scrolling the main subs for meme content are enough to sustain it. But the trust amongst the users that made it the home of most internet community for the last decade+ has eroded enough that I think we'll see some progress in moving communities away from Reddit.
Yeah, the blackout2015 sub is a reminder that the train keeps moving whether we are on or off. And the smaller subs are still excellent places to converse smaller topics.
I feel that instead of going dark or private, everyone should have just started shit posting. With no mods to take care of it, the site would get overrun pretty quickly.
I think Reddit has too much weight to truly collapse, but I think the broad canopy it extended to cover how many people spent their time online has diminished significantly. With the recession in influence of both Reddit and Twitter (and Facebook though that came previously), it feels like enough sunlight is hitting the forest floor for new seedlings to sprout and thrive in a way they haven't in a long time.
I saw this posted over at Hacker News and thought it captured something that I have had trouble putting into works about the change/loss of Reddit.
The idea of "villages" supports much of the enthusiasm I have for Tildes based on my brief time here so far. Hopefully I am not too "strange" of a stranger and can be a good part of this community.
I think I agree with most of it except for the “what would be good for Reddit” part. But with that said as someone who has a couple decades of community organizing and activism under my belt I can agree wholeheartedly about the necessity for that, what I would refer to as, affinity group.
New members need to acclimate to the culture of the space and become familiar with others just as the long time members must become familiar with them. Once homeostasis is achieved then you can bring a few more in.
Interestingly there are a few ways to control this influx. In tildes we use an invite only system but in another space I help organize we simply use a “cultural” method. We find that those that don’t fit in seek another space even though we maintain an open door policy.
I relate to this so strongly.
It's refreshing to not have some weird worry about how someone will be offended by something innocuous and start a crusade against you,
I've wasted so many hours trying to argue with brick walls and it's kinda sad when I look back on it.
I had a real unhealthy addiction to reddit, and it was actively making me a worse person.
It didn't start out that way, that site used to be good, but like a frog in slowly heating water, I started getting boiled alive without noticing.
I look at threads from 10 years ago and am reminded just how much better the site used to be.
I had so many times (on Reddit/Facebook) where I'd reply to someone sea lioning or just arguing in bad faith, I'd generally spot it too late, that I largely stopped replying at all other than sometimes pointing out something not for the argument but for everyone else reading the thread later and largely stopped trying to engage with most people directly.
Tildes has definitely sort of reignited the feeling that I might be able to have meaningful commentary again.
This is a form of Eternal September and I assume that it is one of the main reasons why Tildes is invite only, which slows growth and pushes September out a bit.
I don’t believe it.
Where is reddit going to find new users to supplement, never mind replace its current users? It seems easy for Tilde to find enough new users in a short time to change it’s character but to do it with Reddit you’d have to open an internet connection from Earth 2 or tear down the great firewall of China.
It’s a much more plausible plan to tell investors that they will increase the ad load, use sneaky tricks to make you click ads by accident, etc.
Occasionally you do see a site like Digg that believed its community was off-putting to a mass audience and could plausibly ditch it to make a bigger one, the way Digg fired Mr. BabyMan. It’s certain you can destroy your old community but not certain at all you will have any success at building a second community.
“Echo VR” is another case study: even Activision would keep alive the most successful VR game in the world and try to build on it, it takes Mark Zuckerberg to burn it down because he sees no path to enlarge it 1000x to make it large enough to make a difference for Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg is doing it for his own enrichment and entertainment, he knows perfectly well what he is doing. The owners of reddit on the other hand want to take advantage of investors who really don’t understand the value (or lack of value) of Reddit.