It's interesting that already, with so few subreddits on this migration list, we have some incompatible (defederated) instances - I believe the migrated /r/selfhosted being on lemmy.world places...
It's interesting that already, with so few subreddits on this migration list, we have some incompatible (defederated) instances - I believe the migrated /r/selfhosted being on lemmy.world places it on the other side of the wall to those on beehaw.org?
Assuming that's correct and will continue to be, I'm very curious to see how this pans out for the overall architecture of the fediverse: especially as I would assume there's some level of overlap between users of /r/selfhosted and users of /r/technology and /r/programming?
Beehaw specifically unfederated with lemmy and another instance due to the massive influx of new federated lemmy/etc users, many of them bad actors, which completely overwhelmed their ability to...
Beehaw specifically unfederated with lemmy and another instance due to the massive influx of new federated lemmy/etc users, many of them bad actors, which completely overwhelmed their ability to moderate. It's not unsurprising, and its sort of the same as a subreddit on reddit going "approved submitters only" in a manner of speaking when seeing influxes of users after big events like the banning of hate subreddits that caused many people to brigade.
I think to be inline with vision of whole federated ecosystem, this list should include multiple options for the subreddit alternatives. For example, for /r/gaming, not only Gaming@beehaw.org...
I think to be inline with vision of whole federated ecosystem, this list should include multiple options for the subreddit alternatives.
For example, for /r/gaming, not only Gaming@beehaw.org instance should be noted, but also others, like Gaming@lemmy.ml.
I made the assumption that these were "official" (i.e. collectively approved by the subreddit and/or its mod team) migrations, rather than just instances with a shared name/theme to existing...
I made the assumption that these were "official" (i.e. collectively approved by the subreddit and/or its mod team) migrations, rather than just instances with a shared name/theme to existing subreddits. I would assume that if you included the latter, the list would be far more massive!
I don’t think there will be a migration, as in the community won’t leave reddit… but I hope we can start sister-community programs so that the community is not dependent on a platform - so users...
I don’t think there will be a migration, as in the community won’t leave reddit… but I hope we can start sister-community programs so that the community is not dependent on a platform - so users have a choice where they want to post what, but there is healthy cross-posting between platforms as well.
We need to decouple the community from the platform in order to have a bargaining chip against whoever runs the place, be it a server owner or corporation.
The creators need to leave. If there's no one posting informational content, why would anyone stick around? I for one am someone that constantly answered questions on a lot of subreddits and I...
The creators need to leave. If there's no one posting informational content, why would anyone stick around?
I for one am someone that constantly answered questions on a lot of subreddits and I shared a lot of news articles as well.
Depending on the outcome of this blackout - this won't happen anymore
I’ve been around to know that creators come and go. Sadly the next group will not know anything about the protest. This happened to r/indiedev for me, the first group of creators were there as a...
I’ve been around to know that creators come and go. Sadly the next group will not know anything about the protest. This happened to r/indiedev for me, the first group of creators were there as a response - we created a new subreddit to get away from a bigger one… and now the new group of creators has no idea of that history.
The Reddit admins do have a point that in the long term, the communities will stabilize with new creators…. unless there are viable alternatives with significant advantages. And it’s tough to compete with the audience reddit has.
I see /r/selfhosted spun up an instance (very meta), which @bugsmith might appreciate. To be clear this isn't my site haha; you probably want to email the address listed with suggestions.
I wonder how difficult it is to add a "subscribe" button that works across different lemmy instances. I guess you'd need some browser extension to store your home server, right?
I wonder how difficult it is to add a "subscribe" button that works across different lemmy instances. I guess you'd need some browser extension to store your home server, right?
can you click sub on that overview though? I meant more as a convenience thing. like: navigate to: https://lemmy.ml/c/linux click subscribe, you're subscribed on your home page. Right now you have...
can you click sub on that overview though? I meant more as a convenience thing. like: navigate to: https://lemmy.ml/c/linux click subscribe, you're subscribed on your home page.
Right now you have to go to your home community, search for it, and then subscribe. Right?
I know it's not a ton of work, but any convenience will help to ease the barrier of entry
yeah, I would have to sub on kbin from @linux@lemmy.ml, they have the instructions right underneath "Create a post" and then I have to change them to the kbin format. I'm subscribed to linux on...
yeah, I would have to sub on kbin from @linux@lemmy.ml, they have the instructions right underneath "Create a post" and then I have to change them to the kbin format.
I'm subscribed to linux on there directly through kbin on lemmy.ml (there magazine was populating the frontpage from before I joined) and as long as someone on kbin has subbed to something it should show up.
Not exactly what you're suggesting, but on Firefox there's the extension Kbin Link (despite the name it supports Lemmy too) which provides a button next to community links that opens them on your...
Not exactly what you're suggesting, but on Firefox there's the extension Kbin Link (despite the name it supports Lemmy too) which provides a button next to community links that opens them on your home instance. Still more friction than a non-federated site like Reddit or Tildes, though; unsure if there's a technical reason an extension that allows subscribing directly won't work or if it was just easier to implement this way.
The true irony lies in the fact that, while /r/StarWars is listed as migrating to startrek.website, the actual creators of startrek.website - /r/StarTrek and /r/DaystromInstitute - aren't on that...
The true irony lies in the fact that, while /r/StarWars is listed as migrating to startrek.website, the actual creators of startrek.website - /r/StarTrek and /r/DaystromInstitute - aren't on that list at all.
This is very off-topic. But since I'm relatively new I want to understand. Is "/noise" just a tildes cultural thing to indicate your post does not add much to the discussion or does it actually do...
This is very off-topic. But since I'm relatively new I want to understand. Is "/noise" just a tildes cultural thing to indicate your post does not add much to the discussion or does it actually do something to the algorithm?
As I've found no good answer I'd like to ask you instead. Is noise always below all non noise comments? Because the docs say something like "-2 votes" but this looking at the op comment it's still...
As I've found no good answer I'd like to ask you instead.
Is noise always below all non noise comments? Because the docs say something like "-2 votes" but this looking at the op comment it's still below everything.
Maybe what I'm trying to ask is how bad/frowned upon is voting noise/offtopic/joke labels?
Hello! I wrote those docs. (Thanks @mycketforvirrad, I'll take it from here.) When you reach 7 days' age on Tildes, you'll get to see the comment labels. All five labels (Exemplary. Offtopic....
Is noise always below all non noise comments? Because the docs say something like "-2 votes" but this looking at the op comment it's still below everything.
Hello! I wrote those docs. (Thanks @mycketforvirrad, I'll take it from here.)
When you reach 7 days' age on Tildes, you'll get to see the comment labels. All five labels (Exemplary. Offtopic. Joke. Noise. Malice.) show up next to the 'Vote' link below each comment. You can click on any of those labels, as you see fit. If you want to give a comment a 'Vote', then click on 'Vote'. If you want to give a comment a 'Noise' label, then click on 'Noise'.
The 'Noise', 'Joke', and 'Offtopic' labels act invisibly. They add an invisible factor to the visible votes.
So, if two people apply the 'Noise' label to that comment (it takes two people for a label to take effect), then that will add -2 to the vote count. If we imagine a comment that has a visible vote count of 5, and it has a 'Noise' label active on it, that comment will be treated by the sorting algorithm as having a vote count of ( 5 - 2 ) = 3 . You won't see a tag on the comment that says "Noise"; it will just appear further down in the thread than you would expect, like has happened to talklittle's comment here. (Which, I assume, has acquired multiple 'Noise' labels, to be appearing so far down in this thread.)
Actually, I just re-read the "labels" entry again... properly. I was wrong. (Confession: it's been a few years since I wrote those pages, and was elbow-deep in information about how Tildes...
Actually, I just re-read the "labels" entry again... properly. I was wrong. (Confession: it's been a few years since I wrote those pages, and was elbow-deep in information about how Tildes features work. I don't always remember all the details accurately.)
If the Noise label is active on a comment, it will cause the comment to be sorted below unlabelled and Offtopic replies, acting as if it had -2 total votes.
So... when the Noise label is active on a comment, it overrides any actual votes the comment has. The comment is deemed to have -2 total votes - and that's the final total. Even if the comment received 100 actual votes, the 'Noise' label cancels those votes out: they don't exist. The vote total for the noisy comment is exactly -2.
Given that there's no such thing as downvotes on Tildes, "-2" will always be the lowest vote count a comment can get. A comment starts with zero votes. From there, it can only get positive votes, so its vote count will always go up: 0, 1, 2, 3, etc. A noisy comment will have a fixed vote count of -2 applied to it, which always puts it at the bottom of a thread.
However, it is important to note that it takes two users applying 'Noise' to a comment for that label to take effect:
Labels generally become active when the collective label weight of all users that applied this label exceeds 1.0. The default weight of new users is 0.5, so two users applying a label should be enough to trigger an effect.
So, one person clicking 'Noise' on a comment won't do anything. That's only 0.5 of a label, which doesn't count. When a second person clicks 'Noise', that adds up to 1.0 of a label, and the noisy comment now gets a fixed vote value of -2.
Hey... I wrote that page, and I explained it wrong. How's that for weak comprehension! :D However, it prompts me to think I need to revisit some of those pages, to make them clearer. So, thanks...
Hey... I wrote that page, and I explained it wrong. How's that for weak comprehension! :D
However, it prompts me to think I need to revisit some of those pages, to make them clearer. So, thanks for that!
I'm not the person to ask about the technical side of the function, but there's no social judgements to be found from using the flairs. If you genuinely think a flair applies, you're fine to flair...
I'm not the person to ask about the technical side of the function, but there's no social judgements to be found from using the flairs. If you genuinely think a flair applies, you're fine to flair it as such.
How dare you
It's interesting that already, with so few subreddits on this migration list, we have some incompatible (defederated) instances - I believe the migrated /r/selfhosted being on lemmy.world places it on the other side of the wall to those on beehaw.org?
Assuming that's correct and will continue to be, I'm very curious to see how this pans out for the overall architecture of the fediverse: especially as I would assume there's some level of overlap between users of /r/selfhosted and users of /r/technology and /r/programming?
Beehaw specifically unfederated with lemmy and another instance due to the massive influx of new federated lemmy/etc users, many of them bad actors, which completely overwhelmed their ability to moderate. It's not unsurprising, and its sort of the same as a subreddit on reddit going "approved submitters only" in a manner of speaking when seeing influxes of users after big events like the banning of hate subreddits that caused many people to brigade.
I think to be inline with vision of whole federated ecosystem, this list should include multiple options for the subreddit alternatives.
For example, for /r/gaming, not only Gaming@beehaw.org instance should be noted, but also others, like Gaming@lemmy.ml.
I made the assumption that these were "official" (i.e. collectively approved by the subreddit and/or its mod team) migrations, rather than just instances with a shared name/theme to existing subreddits. I would assume that if you included the latter, the list would be far more massive!
I think there's a mistake there; it's not r/privacy, it's r/piracy that's moved.
similarly, it wasn't r/starwars that moved to startrek.website
I don’t think there will be a migration, as in the community won’t leave reddit… but I hope we can start sister-community programs so that the community is not dependent on a platform - so users have a choice where they want to post what, but there is healthy cross-posting between platforms as well.
We need to decouple the community from the platform in order to have a bargaining chip against whoever runs the place, be it a server owner or corporation.
The creators need to leave. If there's no one posting informational content, why would anyone stick around?
I for one am someone that constantly answered questions on a lot of subreddits and I shared a lot of news articles as well.
Depending on the outcome of this blackout - this won't happen anymore
I’ve been around to know that creators come and go. Sadly the next group will not know anything about the protest. This happened to r/indiedev for me, the first group of creators were there as a response - we created a new subreddit to get away from a bigger one… and now the new group of creators has no idea of that history.
The Reddit admins do have a point that in the long term, the communities will stabilize with new creators…. unless there are viable alternatives with significant advantages. And it’s tough to compete with the audience reddit has.
We have to keep at it though!
I see /r/selfhosted spun up an instance (very meta), which @bugsmith might appreciate.
To be clear this isn't my site haha; you probably want to email the address listed with suggestions.
I definitely do appreciate, thanks for letting me know!
I wonder how difficult it is to add a "subscribe" button that works across different lemmy instances. I guess you'd need some browser extension to store your home server, right?
I'm in kbin.social and I just sub and it shows up on my feed in my home instance.
can you click sub on that overview though? I meant more as a convenience thing. like: navigate to: https://lemmy.ml/c/linux click subscribe, you're subscribed on your home page.
Right now you have to go to your home community, search for it, and then subscribe. Right?
I know it's not a ton of work, but any convenience will help to ease the barrier of entry
yeah, I would have to sub on kbin from @linux@lemmy.ml, they have the instructions right underneath "Create a post" and then I have to change them to the kbin format.
I'm subscribed to linux on there directly through kbin on lemmy.ml (there magazine was populating the frontpage from before I joined) and as long as someone on kbin has subbed to something it should show up.
Not exactly what you're suggesting, but on Firefox there's the extension Kbin Link (despite the name it supports Lemmy too) which provides a button next to community links that opens them on your home instance. Still more friction than a non-federated site like Reddit or Tildes, though; unsure if there's a technical reason an extension that allows subscribing directly won't work or if it was just easier to implement this way.
You can add https://lemmyrs.org for r/rust.
Brilliant.
/noise
The true irony lies in the fact that, while /r/StarWars is listed as migrating to startrek.website, the actual creators of startrek.website - /r/StarTrek and /r/DaystromInstitute - aren't on that list at all.
This is very off-topic. But since I'm relatively new I want to understand. Is "/noise" just a tildes cultural thing to indicate your post does not add much to the discussion or does it actually do something to the algorithm?
Purely cultural. You can't flair your own comments as noise, so this hint points towards others doing so.
Haha I thought it might have been a jab at Spez's recent remarks about how the reddit blackout was just "noise"
As I've found no good answer I'd like to ask you instead.
Is noise always below all non noise comments? Because the docs say something like "-2 votes" but this looking at the op comment it's still below everything.
Maybe what I'm trying to ask is how bad/frowned upon is voting noise/offtopic/joke labels?
Hello! I wrote those docs. (Thanks @mycketforvirrad, I'll take it from here.)
When you reach 7 days' age on Tildes, you'll get to see the comment labels. All five labels (Exemplary. Offtopic. Joke. Noise. Malice.) show up next to the 'Vote' link below each comment. You can click on any of those labels, as you see fit. If you want to give a comment a 'Vote', then click on 'Vote'. If you want to give a comment a 'Noise' label, then click on 'Noise'.
The 'Noise', 'Joke', and 'Offtopic' labels act invisibly. They add an invisible factor to the visible votes.
So, if two people apply the 'Noise' label to that comment (it takes two people for a label to take effect), then that will add -2 to the vote count. If we imagine a comment that has a visible vote count of 5, and it has a 'Noise' label active on it, that comment will be treated by the sorting algorithm as having a vote count of ( 5 - 2 ) = 3 . You won't see a tag on the comment that says "Noise"; it will just appear further down in the thread than you would expect, like has happened to talklittle's comment here. (Which, I assume, has acquired multiple 'Noise' labels, to be appearing so far down in this thread.)EDIT: This was wrong. See my comment below.
They're not. They're an important part of how this site works.
This is the thing that didn't click. Multiple labels adding up. Makes sense for sorting.
Actually, I just re-read the "labels" entry again... properly. I was wrong. (Confession: it's been a few years since I wrote those pages, and was elbow-deep in information about how Tildes features work. I don't always remember all the details accurately.)
So... when the Noise label is active on a comment, it overrides any actual votes the comment has. The comment is deemed to have -2 total votes - and that's the final total. Even if the comment received 100 actual votes, the 'Noise' label cancels those votes out: they don't exist. The vote total for the noisy comment is exactly -2.
Given that there's no such thing as downvotes on Tildes, "-2" will always be the lowest vote count a comment can get. A comment starts with zero votes. From there, it can only get positive votes, so its vote count will always go up: 0, 1, 2, 3, etc. A noisy comment will have a fixed vote count of -2 applied to it, which always puts it at the bottom of a thread.
However, it is important to note that it takes two users applying 'Noise' to a comment for that label to take effect:
So, one person clicking 'Noise' on a comment won't do anything. That's only 0.5 of a label, which doesn't count. When a second person clicks 'Noise', that adds up to 1.0 of a label, and the noisy comment now gets a fixed vote value of -2.
Sorry for the wrong explanation before.
Let's blame it on my weak reading comprehension game as it's all there. Thanks for caring
Hey... I wrote that page, and I explained it wrong. How's that for weak comprehension! :D
However, it prompts me to think I need to revisit some of those pages, to make them clearer. So, thanks for that!
I'm not the person to ask about the technical side of the function, but there's no social judgements to be found from using the flairs. If you genuinely think a flair applies, you're fine to flair it as such.