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Report from the moderators of r/blind about their latest meeting with Reddit representatives
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- r/Blind's Meetings with Reddit and the Current Situation Regarding Accessibility and API Changes
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- 957 words
TLDR Some progress has been made, but moderation for blind and low vision users, while using third party apps, is about to become impossible and fixing that does not seem to be Reddit's priority.
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I would have summerized as, "Oh wait, you took us seriously when we said we were going to take care of your concerns? LOL, no, no, no, we just said that so we could deflect criticism about our decision to nuke third party apps from orbit. We're not going to actually fix things."
I've been trying to put a damper on my snark recently since I'm really becoming jaded and negative, but it truly reads that way to me too. How many times improvements to mod tools were promised, how many years have passed? This just sounds like an attempt to not even put out some fires, but just cover them and let them smolder until the IPO, because calling blind people landed gentry or accusing them of harassment would be too shitty even for current reddit leadership...
Just a reminder about the megathread for this topic: https://tild.es/168c
Using a megathread keeps the front page from being dominated by a single noisy topic.
Citing the Americans with Disabilities Act seems appropriate and a serious threat to Reddit until you remember mods are volunteers, not employees. Reddit most certainly loses the PR battle here: the legal challenge remains to be seen...
https://adata.org/factsheet/reasonable-accommodations-workplace
edit: after further search
"According to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), a volunteer is typically not a protected employee under Title I of the ADA because an employer-employee relationship usually is not formed."
https://askjan.org/publications/consultants-corner/vol04iss02.cfm#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Equal%20Employment,relationship%20usually%20is%20not%20formed.
ADA doesn't just apply to employees. If you have a service animal, it doesn't matter if you're an employee, a customer, or a passerby. Businesses open to the public are subject to the ADA as well, even on the web since 1996 according to ada.gov:
And even lists some examples of cases where the Department of Justice went after businesses for ADA failures:
It's not an argument about reasonable accomodations to work, it's an argument about not having unnecessary barriers that make it impossible for disabled people to frequent your business.
Part of me has some optimistic hope that Spez will wake up and decide to go back on his decisions for the time being. I don't think that'll be enough to undo the damage, but it may help moderators who rely on these tools.
Wake up? No, sir, Huffman thought Reddit was dead in 2006 and washed his hands of it gladly nearly twenty years ago. This isn't some tender father about to mistakenly marry his only daughter to a criminal. This is a man selling property to the highest bidder.
https://www.theage.com.au/technology/atrocious-mobile-sucks-reddit-cofounder-steve-huffman-on-what-site-has-become-20141208-122txn.html
My personal hope is that the moderators of r/blind find some legal assistance in giving Reddit a wakeup call. I don't think there's any hope for Reddit to do anything useful without being forced to. Which tends to be the case with accessibility, people who don't care aren't going to care until they have some consequences. And then they still don't actually care, but they would rather not be sued.
Of course, I wouldn't blame the mods if they got fed up and just walked away. Fighting to keep accomodations that you already had and are being taken away from you must be exhausting.
I used to be "optimistic" that any corporate leaders will do whatever it takes to make as much money as possible as fast as possible. It was at least predictable behavior. Now it's even scarier because powerful people will torch their companies and reputation just for an ego trip, fundamentally changing the structures of media empires just so they can win the approval of random losers on the internet.
Haven’t we seen, though, that those random losers on the internet can be summoned to do your bidding if indoctrinated properly? Random losers who worship you can be useful.
Reddit leadership literally does not care about any of their mods or users. I hope this makes the news. No blind mods in /r/Blind. Awful.
If you are going to do this and summarize via machine the carefully crafted report from a moderator who has been ignored, the least you can do is compare the summary with the original and add in the details that your large language model didn't think were important. CHATGPT completely ignored the third party auditors and their qualifications or lack thereof.