"Smart"screen already warns me about installing the apps I download myself, how long until it outright blocks them? Wasn't that part of the appeal of windows? I don't even trust windows to update...
"Smart"screen already warns me about installing the apps I download myself, how long until it outright blocks them?
Wasn't that part of the appeal of windows? I don't even trust windows to update Forza Horizon consistently, why would I want MORE in that stack?
Between this, the announcement of reduced barriers/friction to Microsoft dev accounts, that the new Xbox will be a windows based (which I read as locked down windows lite with a blessed app...
Between this, the announcement of reduced barriers/friction to Microsoft dev accounts, that the new Xbox will be a windows based (which I read as locked down windows lite with a blessed app store), it all seems like a larger play at recapturing the windows ecosystem. I expect they intend to resituate the windows store as the center for software sales/distribution and take the usual 10-30% cut.
Windows is intending to allow third party programs, drivers and what not to update through Windows Update. While probably intended for enterprise use, probably to outmode Software Update or...
Windows is intending to allow third party programs, drivers and what not to update through Windows Update. While probably intended for enterprise use, probably to outmode Software Update or Company Portal, it could streamline things on the consumer side as well. It gives Microsoft a lot of power, but it's also a nice option to have as a redundancy.
This is just a repeat of what they tried with Windows 8. You know, the one that Gabe Newall saw as a big enough threat to unlocked PCs that Valve literally fixed gaming on Linux. Edit: Changed...
How would this differ from what happens now? Like, would it extend beyond the device driver updates to say, Adobe software updates? That seems like a huge undertaking on Microsoft's part,...
How would this differ from what happens now? Like, would it extend beyond the device driver updates to say, Adobe software updates?
That seems like a huge undertaking on Microsoft's part, something that I'm not sure I see the benefit for app developers and users in.
That appears to be the case. Developers and product teams that onboard their updates to the orchestrator can take advantage of the following benefits: Eco-efficient scheduling: Updates are...
That appears to be the case.
Developers and product teams that onboard their updates to the orchestrator can take advantage of the following benefits:
Eco-efficient scheduling: Updates are intelligently deferred based on user activity, system performance, connection to AC power, and sustainable times to update.
Simplified notification experience: Updates for apps will be able to use native Windows Update notifications, allowing for a seamless and coherent experience without having to build update notifications yourself.
App update history: The update history for apps can be viewed in Settings, giving users a centralized location to see this information.
Admin policy support for deadlines: Your app or management tool can support admin policy management for deadlines and notifications without having to build these out yourself.
Streamlined troubleshooting: Users can consult a single set of logs and diagnostic data for all updates.
Support for common app packaging types: The orchestrator will support MSIX/APPX and apps with custom implementation such as Win32 apps.
Automatic future enhancements: Products onboarded to the Windows Update orchestrator will automatically get future improvements and capabilities.
This probably would have blew my mind if it was a feature add between XP and 7 (ignore that vista shaped hole in our collective memory). By Win 7, I'm pretty sure the large majority of software...
This probably would have blew my mind if it was a feature add between XP and 7 (ignore that vista shaped hole in our collective memory).
By Win 7, I'm pretty sure the large majority of software was downloaded but not many had built in update tools. It wouldn't have been too difficult for most programs to have a pointer to the latest version repo. Can imagine a Win Update window with a neat checkbox list of software ready to update and a description box for patch notes. And also a dialogue so you just paste the link to any new software and it'd just handle the install with predefined variables. Just a normal graphical package manager. And then we'd have some very punny articles on the tyrannical setup Wizard and how we could celebrate because he was officially dead.
Today, it just feels like it's going to be another mess. Like it exists in the windows store, but there are some features in the update manager and some critical configs you can only find in the ghost of control panel. And that's not even considering the all the bad business shenanigans MS get up to on the regular these days. Wouldn't put it past them to bake in diagnostics and tracking against the developers and users wishes.
It’s only tangentially related, but some may be interested to know that the original Software Update system in Mac OS X was designed to handle updating third-party apps in addition to the system...
It’s only tangentially related, but some may be interested to know that the original Software Update system in Mac OS X was designed to handle updating third-party apps in addition to the system itself and Apple apps. If I remember correctly it worked on a local open registration system, so apps the user had installed would provide the feed URLs for Software Update to hit and fetch Installer .pkg file updates from, which it’d then use to install updates.
Unfortunately few or no third party developers ever adopted the system, instead embracing bundled-in self-updaters, with the most common being Sparkle. The system subsequently disappeared with the addition of the Mac App Store in OS X 10.9 Mavericks.
I sometimes wonder where things might’ve gone if the OS X update system had taken off. While the approach MS is offering in Windows here is better than nothing, a more open system like the old OS X one would’ve been better.
"Smart"screen already warns me about installing the apps I download myself, how long until it outright blocks them?
Wasn't that part of the appeal of windows? I don't even trust windows to update Forza Horizon consistently, why would I want MORE in that stack?
Between this, the announcement of reduced barriers/friction to Microsoft dev accounts, that the new Xbox will be a windows based (which I read as locked down windows lite with a blessed app store), it all seems like a larger play at recapturing the windows ecosystem. I expect they intend to resituate the windows store as the center for software sales/distribution and take the usual 10-30% cut.
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Windows is intending to allow third party programs, drivers and what not to update through Windows Update. While probably intended for enterprise use, probably to outmode Software Update or Company Portal, it could streamline things on the consumer side as well. It gives Microsoft a lot of power, but it's also a nice option to have as a redundancy.
This is just a repeat of what they tried with Windows 8. You know, the one that Gabe Newall saw as a big enough threat to unlocked PCs that Valve literally fixed gaming on Linux. Edit: Changed link to OG source.
I guess Microsoft is just extra emboldened now that they forsee anti-trust as being fully neutered.
How would this differ from what happens now? Like, would it extend beyond the device driver updates to say, Adobe software updates?
That seems like a huge undertaking on Microsoft's part, something that I'm not sure I see the benefit for app developers and users in.
That appears to be the case.
Developers and product teams that onboard their updates to the orchestrator can take advantage of the following benefits:
Eco-efficient scheduling: Updates are intelligently deferred based on user activity, system performance, connection to AC power, and sustainable times to update.
Simplified notification experience: Updates for apps will be able to use native Windows Update notifications, allowing for a seamless and coherent experience without having to build update notifications yourself.
App update history: The update history for apps can be viewed in Settings, giving users a centralized location to see this information.
Admin policy support for deadlines: Your app or management tool can support admin policy management for deadlines and notifications without having to build these out yourself.
Streamlined troubleshooting: Users can consult a single set of logs and diagnostic data for all updates.
Support for common app packaging types: The orchestrator will support MSIX/APPX and apps with custom implementation such as Win32 apps.
Automatic future enhancements: Products onboarded to the Windows Update orchestrator will automatically get future improvements and capabilities.
This probably would have blew my mind if it was a feature add between XP and 7 (ignore that vista shaped hole in our collective memory).
By Win 7, I'm pretty sure the large majority of software was downloaded but not many had built in update tools. It wouldn't have been too difficult for most programs to have a pointer to the latest version repo. Can imagine a Win Update window with a neat checkbox list of software ready to update and a description box for patch notes. And also a dialogue so you just paste the link to any new software and it'd just handle the install with predefined variables. Just a normal graphical package manager. And then we'd have some very punny articles on the tyrannical setup Wizard and how we could celebrate because he was officially dead.
Today, it just feels like it's going to be another mess. Like it exists in the windows store, but there are some features in the update manager and some critical configs you can only find in the ghost of control panel. And that's not even considering the all the bad business shenanigans MS get up to on the regular these days. Wouldn't put it past them to bake in diagnostics and tracking against the developers and users wishes.
It’s only tangentially related, but some may be interested to know that the original Software Update system in Mac OS X was designed to handle updating third-party apps in addition to the system itself and Apple apps. If I remember correctly it worked on a local open registration system, so apps the user had installed would provide the feed URLs for Software Update to hit and fetch Installer .pkg file updates from, which it’d then use to install updates.
Unfortunately few or no third party developers ever adopted the system, instead embracing bundled-in self-updaters, with the most common being Sparkle. The system subsequently disappeared with the addition of the Mac App Store in OS X 10.9 Mavericks.
I sometimes wonder where things might’ve gone if the OS X update system had taken off. While the approach MS is offering in Windows here is better than nothing, a more open system like the old OS X one would’ve been better.