Offshoring isn't talked about nearly enough in the media or in discussions about the job market. I believe America has lost significantly more jobs to offshoring in the past 2 years than it has to AI.
Offshoring isn't talked about nearly enough in the media or in discussions about the job market. I believe America has lost significantly more jobs to offshoring in the past 2 years than it has to AI.
My first job out of college doesn’t exist any more, when I left it was offshored to Ukraine. Every company Ive worked at since then has a team in India. My backup-backup plan is move to northern...
My first job out of college doesn’t exist any more, when I left it was offshored to Ukraine.
Every company Ive worked at since then has a team in India.
My backup-backup plan is move to northern India, get satellite internet, and be a developer from there if they wont hire me in the US. Dunno if that plan even makes any sense because I probably wont be able to get a visa if thats really my only option left but its a funny thought
I've been worried this would be the ugly side of remote work, that's the relationship I'd like to see studied. Why use US workers needing US wages if you can get nearly the same output offshoring...
I've been worried this would be the ugly side of remote work, that's the relationship I'd like to see studied. Why use US workers needing US wages if you can get nearly the same output offshoring for much cheaper?
Our India office is far nicer, they get far better benefits, and far better wages relative to cost of living. And I bet it all cost the company less.
I think a team in India can make a lot of sense if you are doing it for the right reasons with the right support structure. That doesn’t seem to be what happens though. You should go to India for...
I think a team in India can make a lot of sense if you are doing it for the right reasons with the right support structure. That doesn’t seem to be what happens though. You should go to India for the time zone coverage and talent, not strictly cost savings.
Teams in India have many hidden costs. If you are offshoring to save money only, you probably won’t save much money. You’ll end up spending more on communication, vision/product alignment, and rework.
Yeah, I think the comment you replied to is ignoring the visa situation aspect of this, despite that being a part of the title. Indian talent is a huge thing in the tech industry. If it's harder...
Yeah, I think the comment you replied to is ignoring the visa situation aspect of this, despite that being a part of the title. Indian talent is a huge thing in the tech industry. If it's harder or impossible to bring the best and brightest to the US to work for you, and the current visa restrictions definitely accomplish that, you kinda have to offshore in order to have access to that talent pool.
Oh yeah you're right, I didn't mean to imply it was always a good or bad idea, but one short-sighted businesses could be thinking at a large scale. Like the sorts that might try to replace people...
Oh yeah you're right, I didn't mean to imply it was always a good or bad idea, but one short-sighted businesses could be thinking at a large scale. Like the sorts that might try to replace people with AI.
I don’t see many politicians or journalists talking about offshoring. I do see a ton of them vaguely talking about the economy and/or AI. I just went to CNN and searched for “jobs” no mention of...
I don’t see many politicians or journalists talking about offshoring. I do see a ton of them vaguely talking about the economy and/or AI.
I just went to CNN and searched for “jobs” no mention of offshoring in the first few pages. Lots of mentions of AI and generic talk about the job market. I searched for offshore and offshoring - zero results I could find about jobs. Offshoring literally had no articles returned.
Every layoff I’ve heard about from friends recently also resulted in a shift of jobs from the USA to India - but no one is talking about it.
Alphabet Inc. is plotting to dramatically expand its presence in India, with the possibility of taking millions of square feet in new office space in Bangalore, India’s tech hub.
Google’s parent company has leased one office tower and purchased options on two others in Alembic City, a development in the Whitefield tech corridor, totaling 2.4 million square feet, according to people familiar with the deal. The first tower is expected to open to employees in the coming months, while construction on the remaining two is set to conclude next year.
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If it does take all of the space, the complex could accommodate as many as 20,000 additional staff, which could more than double the company’s footprint in India, said the people, asking not to be identified because the plans aren’t public. Alphabet currently employs around 14,000 in the country, out of a global workforce of roughly 190,000.
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US President Donald Trump’s visa restrictions have made it harder to bring foreign talent to America, prompting some companies to recruit more staff overseas. India has become an increasingly important place for US companies to hire, particularly in the race to dominate artificial intelligence.
Google rivals including OpenAI and Anthropic PBC have recently set up shop in the country, with Anthropic appointing former Microsoft Corp. executive Irina Ghose to lead its India operations in January. “India has a real opportunity to shape how AI is built and deployed at scale,” Ghose said at the time.
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Google is already a major player in this shift. Last year, it opened its largest campus in Bangalore, complete with indoor mini golf, pickle ball courts and cafeterias serving cardamom tea.
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The India headcount for the US tech giants Facebook, Amazon.com Inc., Apple Inc., Microsoft Corp., Netflix Inc. and Google collectively grew by 16% over the last 12 months, the biggest jump in a three-year period, according to talent solutions and staffing company, Xpheno Pvt.
Offshoring isn't talked about nearly enough in the media or in discussions about the job market. I believe America has lost significantly more jobs to offshoring in the past 2 years than it has to AI.
My first job out of college doesn’t exist any more, when I left it was offshored to Ukraine.
Every company Ive worked at since then has a team in India.
My backup-backup plan is move to northern India, get satellite internet, and be a developer from there if they wont hire me in the US. Dunno if that plan even makes any sense because I probably wont be able to get a visa if thats really my only option left but its a funny thought
I've been worried this would be the ugly side of remote work, that's the relationship I'd like to see studied. Why use US workers needing US wages if you can get nearly the same output offshoring for much cheaper?
Our India office is far nicer, they get far better benefits, and far better wages relative to cost of living. And I bet it all cost the company less.
I think a team in India can make a lot of sense if you are doing it for the right reasons with the right support structure. That doesn’t seem to be what happens though. You should go to India for the time zone coverage and talent, not strictly cost savings.
Teams in India have many hidden costs. If you are offshoring to save money only, you probably won’t save much money. You’ll end up spending more on communication, vision/product alignment, and rework.
Yeah, I think the comment you replied to is ignoring the visa situation aspect of this, despite that being a part of the title. Indian talent is a huge thing in the tech industry. If it's harder or impossible to bring the best and brightest to the US to work for you, and the current visa restrictions definitely accomplish that, you kinda have to offshore in order to have access to that talent pool.
Oh yeah you're right, I didn't mean to imply it was always a good or bad idea, but one short-sighted businesses could be thinking at a large scale. Like the sorts that might try to replace people with AI.
... Isn't it? I remember HRC claiming she'd levy an 'exit tax' on US companies trying to offshore (no idea if that was practical or sincere)
I don’t see many politicians or journalists talking about offshoring. I do see a ton of them vaguely talking about the economy and/or AI.
I just went to CNN and searched for “jobs” no mention of offshoring in the first few pages. Lots of mentions of AI and generic talk about the job market. I searched for offshore and offshoring - zero results I could find about jobs. Offshoring literally had no articles returned.
Every layoff I’ve heard about from friends recently also resulted in a shift of jobs from the USA to India - but no one is talking about it.
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