Choosing hosting and DNS outside US and EU jurisdictions, hedging against repression
It appears obvious by now that freedom of the press and freedom of speech is under attack in the EU and the US both.
In the EU, critics of Israels genocide in Gaza are being met with sanctions, closing bank accounts and imposing extra-legal status of civil death, under the odd pretext of this criticism of Israel is weakening the EU's war efforts in Ukraine. Blatant repression of political expression.
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/weaponizing-civil-death-to-crush
In the US, well we got Orange Man and with Microsoft willing to close the accounts of the International Criminal Court in the Hague, account and data safety is beholden to state and corporate interests:
https://apnews.com/article/icc-trump-sanctions-karim-khan-court-a4b4c02751ab84c09718b1b95cbd5db3
These developments have me considering a contingency plan for my email and webhosting needs. I was wondering what would be the least fragile, long-term choice of DNS and hosting outside EU and US. For a website with political content critical of the EU-US, Russia would be an obvious hedge against political repression. Any recommendations/experiences for providers in Russia? Other locations to consider?
Recent website closures appear to have been targeting DNS resolvers, to make website unavailable. How to protect against this?
The one semi-viable option I know of - that would still be beholden to EU sanctions, I think - is 1984.is based in Iceland. They have a history of fighting spurious take-down claims. https://litigation.1984.hosting
It might sound like I'm some sort of hosting wizard. I'm not. Please consider this if giving a technical response. Thanks for any input and thoughts.
I uhh. What. I need you to explain this to me about the country notorious for politically repressing people. No I know I removed the context, but I feel that doesn't matter as much. Once you're against the party line, regardless of your target, you may run into that repression.
That aside, I want to just simply ask you not to invest in a country actively waging an imperialist war as the invader. I can't stop you from doing so, which is why this is an open request.
...Sadly, I can see the logic. Russia represses its people, but their track record suggests they'd be totally on-board with anything critical of the US and/or EU. Russia spends a lot of money and resources instigating trolls, they'd probably love free legitimate criticism.
Still don't agree with using it for obvious reasons, but I get why it's the first option to come to mind.
It's the old joke:
You'd be remiss to stop the logic train there. Early in the conflict, simply calling it a war meant a knock on the door. Political repression in Russia goes beyond your intended target, it's about toeing the party line. If you're not willing to do that, you are going to run into the Russian political repression system.
I don't know where OP is from, though I presume the US or EU, but sanctions will likely prohibit them from doing business there anyway. But that's an assumption I left out of my earlier post because I obviously can't verify that.
Edit to add: there are also a lot more reasons besides not to invest in Russian hosting if "least fragile" is your concern. You're genuinely better off hosting in Ukraine for a more robust and redundant system.*
*The royal you of course.
Never said it was a good option, just that I could see the logic behind even considering it in the first place. Russia's whole thing is trying to sow discord by planting critique of the US and EU. It still wouldn't occur to me as an option though. (Personally, I'd be looking into countries used by pirating sites, at least as a starting point.)
Especially since part of the point against the EU is that they're claiming critique of Israel "is weakening the EU's war efforts in Ukraine". So at least some commentary would likely talk about the Ukraine war and thus Russia's role in it, which would be more likely to trigger Russian repression.
Thank you for taking the time to engage with my question. I'm curious about where you draw the line and for which reasons. Would it in your estimation be unethical to place orders also with US businesses?
Personally, I don't find many great options these days, if you are willingly to take an honest look at what empires and nation-state actors are perpetrating these days: EU-US backing Israels genocide in Gaza, (used to be) US-backed proxy war in Ukraine, the absence of political rights in China, the abhorrent Russian regime, and so on...
Hang on a moment there. I was right with you up until "us backed proxy war". Russia invaded a country dude. Helping them defend themselves is just and proper.
Out of all of these, I would say the "US-backed proxy war in Ukraine" (thorny as it is when stated like that) is probably not at all a bad thing. Being able to say no to naked imperialism is the reason I'm not a pacifist, beyond a vague hope I can one day say I am that is. I don't know your stance on this war in general, though from my perspective there is little doubt who the aggressor is in this case and as such it's easy to "pick sides", as it were. Much easier than most conflicts at least. As such, calling it a proxy war by the US is doing a massive disservice* to the fallen civilians and defenders of a sovereign country. Which is why I again implore you to reconsider investing in Russia.
As for the rest of your points.. I don't necessarily have a straight answer that will satisfy within the confines of a text post on a forum but I'll try to at least somewhat succinctly formulate how I think it shouldn't be too much of a toss up between the listed countries despite their wrongdoings. Before I get into that perhaps consider Canada, Switzerland, Norway, South America or another stable country in Asia instead. None** of the baggage and plenty of good reasons to support middle countries.
For the sake of simplicity, when I say "countries" in the context of your list I will consider the EU part of that too. Though an argument, a strong one too, is that it's not and therefore you shouldn't broadly dismiss some countries within the EU as an option. Taking that logic further, Europe isn't the EU either. I listed two European countries already that can be considered that do not carry the baggage of waging imperalist wars or politically dominate their citizenry.
Enfin, taking a look at the large countries in your consideration you only need to take a step back and look beyond these years to see which ones are the lesser evils amongst the bunch. A culture is not the past few years, it's the shaping of a people done over generations. In the short term, the repudiation of the orange man we've seen during these midterm elections should tell you that the people of the United States do not unilaterally stand behind the current US policy. In the longer term, freedom of speech and freedom of the press has been in a much better state than China or Russia, where the people in the US consider as part of their culture. While that's being encroached upon in the short term you can probably see how in the long term it's on much less shakier ground. The people are unlikely to accept a complete shutdown of the freedom of press. If y'all can endlessly blather about the second amendment as if it's a holy text I'm sure the first is similarly beyond reproach.
As for the EU, we see a fairly strong right wing push into politics which comes with its own problematic repression and panicky reactionary nonsense to stifle dissent. This is also generally not what the people value. The reactionary response is a method, not a goal. It's also a short term view of what the EU values. Most of these countries are able to point to their collective history of the past century and confidently say that freedom of speech and press has been held up.
Russia and China can't. Russia, and by extension the Soviet Union have a clear historical precedence and preference to politics being shaped by the ruling class to the point the citizens have no say in the matter. Dissent is not just shunned, it's punished. While the EU is backsliding, there is clear precedent the people value being able to speak freely. There is no such movement large enough in Russia or China that will make that progress possible. The fact that EU is able to backslide should say that the current situation is a damn sight better than it is in places where you can't.
China has long meddled in affairs internally and abroad that go against the party line. I don't think I have to explain how any movement towards progress and freedom is very unlikely for the time being.
Now for the part where I'm trying to bring nuance into the topic of genocide. This needs to be preempted by me saying that I do not want to try and rate which of the suffering is worse. They are all terrible. That out of the way, here we go.
China is actively perpetrating a genocide against the Uyghurs.
Russia is actively perpetrating a genocide against the Ukrainians.
The US and the EU are bystanders to one perpetrated by a country currently losing all international favour, mostly because of existing alliance structures they intend to honour***.
If you look purely at who is more responsible for the wholesale slaughter and displacement of a peoples you need to look no further than Russia and China. I don't think it's controversial to say that the lesser of evils rests in the Western world.
Here's also where "The EU" needs to be disseminated into multiple countries. The backing is not unilateral. Safe to say that Germany has uhh.. a history with the Jewish people, and their response to Israel has always been disproportionately in favour of defending their own honour. Spain, Ireland, Luxembourg, and a few others have loudly voiced their dissent and have called for amendments or the dissolution of existing agreements with Israel. The EU is not a monolith. Member states within the EU are actively working against current policies and change is not impossible.
Long story short, if your considerations go no further than the US, EU, China, Russia, then maybe taking the lesser evils is the best step forward. If you're not bound to any of those, you have a plethora of countries to choose from that do not have this problem.
Edit to add: You asked me a direct question that I failed to answer. I do try to restrict spending in the US markets as much as I can and reduce the touchpoints within that market. I have limited my spending in the US following their actions. I'm unfortunately not in the position to fully step out of the US market. But neither am I able to step out of the Chinese manufacturing bubble. As much as I would like to, our world is too linked to freely choose any market for any product. For some products that I need, I cannot buy anything but Chinese manufactured goods. I can, however, choose where I do my hosting.
*I'm putting this lightly because I want to speak to you without admonishing. My opinions around this are much stronger than the word "disservice" implies.
**No country is without baggage. To your question where I draw the line? I accept that some evils happen, I also know that in some places I have a far larger influence on these evil policies by being able to vote and speak out. But yes, you're right in the strictest sense that there is no place that hasn't done something awful.
***This sounds like apologism, it's not. Existing alliance structures do not have to be held when one side is party to crimes against humanity, but I can understand from a geopolitical standpoint how there is difficulty extricating yourself from these obligations. Call it ameliorating circumstances, not an endorsement.
P.S. As I went on I lost a bit of structure and my train of thought as work has forced me to interrupt a couple of times. Apologies. I hope I can at least get the point across that I think precedence can indicate that current states are not end states, and that you're more likely to find stability in the ones that have shown that they can rise to that occasion more than once.
Also, when doing admin on small sites, I block everything I can from Russia. [In my experience], it's been the biggest source of spam and bad actors, with virtually no real users.
I really wouldn't recommend using Russia as a hedge against political repression. It really seems to me like you just have a proximity bias which makes you think EU/US sanctions are way more serious than they are and Russian ones are way less serious than they are.
Also, any country can just block any website in their country. If you somehow host an anti-US website that the US federal government decides to censor, they can just block it in the US, no matter where it's hosted.
Another US-based option which you can consider is https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/
That being said though...
https://timeweb.cloud has all kinds of cloud services and DNS. Theyre probably the best Russian provider for small-scale hosting.Alright. Here's the actual EU sanctions citation on Dogru. It's not for criticizing genocide. It's for (allegedly) being deeply linked to Russian state-owned propaganda.
It may well be that there's a legitimate argument against sanctioning a journalist who happens to be backed by Russian state media, but it's important to discuss the full context of why Dogru is being sanctioned by the EU.
You are right, I did to a degree conflate the two in my description of the situation.
The European country in which I reside has had a lot of well-known athletes hosting shows on Russia Today (RT). I have yet to hear of any of them being sanctioned. So it can't be the economic connection alone.
I don't think someone having worked with Russian state media a long time ago is sufficient grounds for sanctioning them. In light of this I find the by now common EU propaganda the streets proclaiming 'free speech' and 'freedom of the press' pathetic.
From the quoted transcript you might also note the loaded language "anti-Israel rioters", leaving out context and the violence perpetrated by Israel, the repression by the German police of pro-Palestine protests.
This might be noise but what exactly is on your website? Also are you some sort of activist or paramilitary member that this is a issue?
I’m not sure specifically for DNS/hosting. I don’t see your concern, though. As long as you maintain backups of your website data and records, you can switch hosts and registrars even if your provider stops serving you. If you get blocked at the registry level, it doesn’t really matter who your provider is.
The real robustness for political action is a strong network of trusted people who are willing to publish and share your content through multiple different established platforms like Youtube, TikTok, the press, etc. Then, if you are ever actively censored, that network can help you / platform you. Wholly independent actors rarely create that much change, and so probably won’t be targeted by state censorship.
Key insight, thanks.
The best thing to do is you are worried about hosting is to choose censorship resistant methods. Unfortunately DNS which is at the bottom of having control of your online presence is very much not designed with this in mind so you have to go niche and restrict your audience (i.e. tor hidden service / handshake / namecoin whatever), or at least federate your content across multiple domains (I.e. top level domains across multiple non-aligned jurisdictions).
I know you said you are not a hosting wizard, but you want to stick it to the man via technology you'll probably need to become one or get in line.
Aside: the war in Ukraine is not a proxy war. It's one country invading another to take their land and kill / rape / torture their people.
Some great tips and ideas, thanks.
How do you evaluate the actions of NATO expanding all the way up to Russia's borders? It is my understanding that the end of the cold war was brought about by the agreement that NATO would not expand further eastward.
To shed some light on my perspective: it is hard to imagine a situation where the US would emphasize strongly the sovereign right of say, Mexico or Canada, to enter into a military alliance with China or Russia. Cuban missile crisis comes to mind. So what are the rules here exactly? The rules are great power politics, and have been for a long time.
Empires for good reason demand a buffer-zone of non-aligned countries around them, and the Russians, also for good reason saw it as belligerent of NATO to keep expanding east. US ambassador to Russia warned of exactly this in diplomatic cables leaked by Wikileaks:
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html
CIA played a large part in the orange revolution in Ukraine, bringing Zelenskyy to power.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/cia-ukraine-russia/
Why is this not considered aggresion?
I know I'm not exactly bringing about world news here. But we don't have to pretend there is some easy good guy/bad guy explanation. To me that mindset is the scourge of nationalism and imperialism. I hate all of this, but I refuse to be black and white about it.
A defensive alliance does not encroach. It has members joining them freely because of a perceived threat. I say perceived, but it's clear it's real. Besides, Ukraine joining NATO wasn't on the docket. If it were indeed a buffer state, invading and seizing it would mean you no longer have that buffer.
The end of the cold war happened because the Soviet Union fell. Whether or not enlargement played into the 1990 agreements is a topic of debate and is not confirmed. Gorbachov denied this.
Regardless, and this is always pretty fucking annoying to me, NATO didn't actually invade anyone of their own volition. Russia did. They put men across the border into another sovereign nation. Twice! That, and that alone, is enough to say they are the aggressor.