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The sad saga of Purism and the Librem 5 (Part 1)

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    teaearlgraycold
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    This is the kind of project you should only start when you have enough R&D budget to build a prototype pre-announcement. Crowdfunding backers get screwed when they are the source of development...

    This is the kind of project you should only start when you have enough R&D budget to build a prototype pre-announcement. Crowdfunding backers get screwed when they are the source of development funding. You should only back something for scaling up production.

    10 votes
    1. determinism
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      I backed this phone. The only alarming piece of information in the article was this bit: I don't blame them for this, understood it was a gamble when I backed it, hope they are successful enough...

      I backed this phone. The only alarming piece of information in the article was this bit:

      Finally, despite the fact that Purism heavily implied on the original crowdfunding page that it was supposed to be powered by a full FOSS stack, it has now been made clear that the phone will have to use proprietary firmware blobs for a variety of onboard devices. Despite all of these issues, they are saying this device is ready to be shipped to customers.

      I don't blame them for this, understood it was a gamble when I backed it, hope they are successful enough that they can put sufficient pressure on these hardware manufacturers to give us a free phone.

      7 votes
    2. edenist
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      I've been a backer of this project since rather early in the campaign. I've stood up for purism throughout the process, defending the usual criticisms surrounding the 'lack of performance' of the...

      I've been a backer of this project since rather early in the campaign. I've stood up for purism throughout the process, defending the usual criticisms surrounding the 'lack of performance' of the selected CPU, or the poor ecosystem/experience compared to Android etc, and I still stand firm being OK with all of that, that this phone gives us things for which performance and app ecosystem don't matter.

      That said, there seems to be a bit of momentum building up around the state of the actual devices and the actual viability of purism itself to actually get the thing out. I have to say I was pretty annoyed that their initial batch announcement and FAQ simply mentioned issues with form and fit of the device as the only main differences, only to find out in their latest post that there are [IMO] severe hardware defects which still need addressing. I since revised my batch priority.

      All of these red flags are starting to get to me though. I'm really considering pulling the refund trigger, sooner rather than later. If they don't get on top of this ASAP, there's going to be a deluge of people following suit.

      7 votes
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    rmgr
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    I really REALLY want the Librem 5 to be a success. I'm fully prepared for it to be a hot mess but I can dream. Linux on phone would be amazing!

    I really REALLY want the Librem 5 to be a success. I'm fully prepared for it to be a hot mess but I can dream. Linux on phone would be amazing!

    4 votes
    1. KapteinB
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      Well, we have Sailfish, though from what I understand it's not entirely FOSS.

      Well, we have Sailfish, though from what I understand it's not entirely FOSS.

      2 votes
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      Crestwave
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      Well, there's also the PinePhone, which looks more promising at this point.

      Well, there's also the PinePhone, which looks more promising at this point.

      2 votes
      1. rmgr
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        I'm not gonna lie most of my eggs are in the PinePhone basket. At US$150 it's cheap enough that I can afford one as a toy without expecting it to be my daily driver, whereas if I bought a Librem 5...

        I'm not gonna lie most of my eggs are in the PinePhone basket. At US$150 it's cheap enough that I can afford one as a toy without expecting it to be my daily driver, whereas if I bought a Librem 5 it'd need to be my phone for the foreseeable future.

        2 votes
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      Soptik
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      Great, it gave me Bad Gateway when I tried it. I can't edit this, but I'd be great if someone else could. Edit: here is archive link

      Great, it gave me Bad Gateway when I tried it. I can't edit this, but I'd be great if someone else could.

      Edit: here is archive link

      3 votes
      1. Akir
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        I'm getting errors too. Outline seems to have it though: https://outline.com/jv98gE

        I'm getting errors too. Outline seems to have it though: https://outline.com/jv98gE

        4 votes