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How the Internet failed and how to recreate it

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    Eric_the_Cerise
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    Caveat: I have not watched it. I am a huge proponent of some kind of new-and-improved Internet 2.0 (actually up to sthg like 5.0 by now) ... mesh networks, corporate end-arounds, E2EE Onion...

    Caveat: I have not watched it.

    I am a huge proponent of some kind of new-and-improved Internet 2.0 (actually up to sthg like 5.0 by now) ... mesh networks, corporate end-arounds, E2EE Onion routing, etc.

    But I keep seeing "solutions" like this that never go anywhere ... and anyone that has to use youtube to explain the Plan, just really does not inspire enough confidence in me to even click that link.

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    1. Moonchild
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      It's not a story about a technological failure, but a social one. (Which is why I posted on ~humanities rather than ~comp.) I recommend giving it a watch.

      It's not a story about a technological failure, but a social one. (Which is why I posted on ~humanities rather than ~comp.)

      I recommend giving it a watch.

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        vord
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        Nah, I don't want paid for my data. I want to opt-out of providing that data. Ban ads outside of storefronts (should be done offline too). Punish sites not following 'Do Not Track', as a...

        Nah, I don't want paid for my data. I want to opt-out of providing that data.

        • Ban ads outside of storefronts (should be done offline too).
        • Punish sites not following 'Do Not Track', as a percentage of revenue increasing per offense.
        • Ban selling data not explicitly shared by end user.
        • No more embedded third-party content.
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        1. ImmobileVoyager
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          I wholehartedly agree. Questions : how much are you willing to pay, out of your own pocket, to use the internet when all this is up and running ? same question but for all other people how do you...

          I wholehartedly agree.

          Questions :

          • how much are you willing to pay, out of your own pocket, to use the internet when all this is up and running ?

          • same question but for all other people

          • how do you imagine that the transition would unfold ?


          On advertising proper.

          Makers and sellers of stuffs shall of course be allowed to make their activities public. (Which is, incidently, the original meaning of the latin phrase pro stituere). They shall not, however, be allowed to behave as cheap and decietful whores nor as totalitarian propagandists. A tall and thick wall shall be erected between the marketplace where wares are peddled and the forum where the concious citizens arrange the ways of the government.

    3. ImmobileVoyager
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      What defines the internet 2.0 as we've known it in the last 20 years or so is its being entirely funded by advertising, and entirely subordinated to the advertising industry. All the rest is side...

      What defines the internet 2.0 as we've known it in the last 20 years or so is its being entirely funded by advertising, and entirely subordinated to the advertising industry. All the rest is side effects, unintended consequences and scribblings in the margins.

      Technological advances originating in the outskirts may offer some glimpse of the internet that should have been, but I feel that recreating the internet would entail a heavy set of laws and regulations descending on the advertising industry. This is rendered unimaginable by the fact that elected lawmakers owe their carreers precisely to that industry and to the mass-medias that depend on it.

      I won't watch the video either, as I feel that "reinventing the internet, courtesy of Alphabet, Inc" sounds like a frank oxymoron.

      Reminds me of the dreams of entryism of last century. Martin Luther nevertheless reformed the Church from inside the Church : maybe is it still possible to daydream ?

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