6 votes

Throwaway accounts / anonymous posting / temporary personas

Tags: ask, survey

Edit: whoopsie, already being discussed here: https://tildes.net/%7Etildes.official/2x3


This is tangential to this post here about NSFW/controversial content. Sometimes one needs to make a confidential post detached from their own identity (say for example about a psychological problem or advice on an event where the OP wants to conceal real identities), and most places one needs a throwaway account. I think it'd be nicer if we allowed people to make posts detached from their main accounts w/o having to create new throwaway accounts. It might be possible via allowing a certain number of "personas" (i.e. a couple names one can allocate and use as nicknames), or via allowing to post anonymously (i.e. hiding the poster's account name, not w/o one), or allowing personas but temporarily and randomly generated names. What's you thoughts?

17 comments

  1. [6]
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      unknown user
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      Thanks, both you and @Kom. Do you think I should delete this?

      Thanks, both you and @Kom. Do you think I should delete this?

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        Kom
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        No problem at all man, tagging users doesn't notify just yet. So if someone doesn't reply when you @ them that is why. Don't remove the post, as Bauke said it's good for new folks to see this...

        No problem at all man, tagging users doesn't notify just yet. So if someone doesn't reply when you @ them that is why.

        Don't remove the post, as Bauke said it's good for new folks to see this thread then more folks can put their thoughts and feelings forward

        5 votes
        1. unknown user
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          Thanks!

          Thanks!

          3 votes
      2. [2]
        dredmorbius
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        If you can still edit OP to point to the earlier refs, I'd recommend that.

        If you can still edit OP to point to the earlier refs, I'd recommend that.

        1 vote
        1. unknown user
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          If you mean making this a link post that points to https://tildes.net/%7Etildes.official/2x3, I just tried and it seems to me that I can not do it. But if someone has the privilege to do it (maybe...

          If you mean making this a link post that points to https://tildes.net/%7Etildes.official/2x3, I just tried and it seems to me that I can not do it. But if someone has the privilege to do it (maybe @Deimos), that's totally fine with me.

          2 votes
  2. [2]
    starchturrets
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    Deimos is considering allowing anonymous posting. Give me a sec to find the link.

    Deimos is considering allowing anonymous posting. Give me a sec to find the link.

    3 votes
  3. rodya
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    Somewhat related, are we allowed to use our invite codes to create alternate accounts? (Presuming we following the CoC of course.) If I ever share any of my writing here I think I'd like it to be...

    Somewhat related, are we allowed to use our invite codes to create alternate accounts? (Presuming we following the CoC of course.) If I ever share any of my writing here I think I'd like it to be separate from my "main" account.

    3 votes
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      guamisc
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      If you're trying to use an anonymous account to get around effective admining and moderation, I'm not entirely sure this site is for you. It destroys the entire premise of reputation and user trust.

      If you're trying to use an anonymous account to get around effective admining and moderation, I'm not entirely sure this site is for you. It destroys the entire premise of reputation and user trust.

      8 votes
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        1. Algernon_Asimov
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          I asked Deimos, in his discussion about posting anonymously, who could see the connection between my "Algernon" account and a hypothetical anonymous post I might make. Here's his response: To me,...

          It also destroys the premise of anonymity if the mods can see what I post.

          I asked Deimos, in his discussion about posting anonymously, who could see the connection between my "Algernon" account and a hypothetical anonymous post I might make. Here's his response:

          Agreed, I definitely think it would be something very restricted. Possibly even to the point where there's no actual interface for it at all and it would have to be looked up manually in the database, to try to ensure that it's only done when it's essential.

          To me, that says moderators will never be able to see who made an anonymous post. It would require one of the developers to manually interrogate the database to see the connection. I therefore assume this would be done only in extreme circumstances, such as if someone started posting illegal content, or started disrupting the website's operations.

          I have an impression that even this wouldn't satisfy your requirements, but it's still much more restricted than moderators being able to track the owners of anonymous posts.

          3 votes
    2. dredmorbius
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      The history / link would be discarded after 30 days per @deimos's earlier comments. Though yes, this is a brokered anonymity.

      The history / link would be discarded after 30 days per @deimos's earlier comments.

      Though yes, this is a brokered anonymity.

      5 votes
    3. [3]
      Silbern
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      The admins can track your IP address though, so a throwaway won't help. You could try a VPN, but to be able to post, you need Javascript enabled, and they could plant a JS bug if they wanted to,...

      The admins can track your IP address though, so a throwaway won't help. You could try a VPN, but to be able to post, you need Javascript enabled, and they could plant a JS bug if they wanted to, or simply prohibit VPNs altogether....

      4 votes
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        starchturrets
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        A what?

        and they could plant a JS bug if they wanted to,

        A what?

        1 vote
        1. Silbern
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          Ah RIP. My original idea was to use Javascript to force a request to a dedicated server (or virtual machine even) that could log the IP addresses of people who connect, but I realize that...

          Ah RIP. My original idea was to use Javascript to force a request to a dedicated server (or virtual machine even) that could log the IP addresses of people who connect, but I realize that obviously that wouldn't work because it'd just go through the VPN, I don't know what I was thinking. However, Tildes could still perhaps attempt something like a DNS leak; or perhaps they could try to keep track of a collection of statistics like screen size, battery life, and try to identify you this way. My point is that if you don't trust the admins, it'd be quite difficult to ensure your anonymity if they wanted to figure out who you are...

          4 votes
    4. unknown user
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      The anonymity is for detaching your persona from the post, not for using the site as a paste bin. If one wants complete anonymity, you can only trust a throwaway anyways.

      The anonymity is for detaching your persona from the post, not for using the site as a paste bin. If one wants complete anonymity, you can only trust a throwaway anyways.

      3 votes
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    8thwaitress
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    What if ~tildes provided free temporary accounts to do this with. For instance, every 24 hour period, 3 or so open 'personas'. Once a post is made, whomever posted using the account could use it...

    What if ~tildes provided free temporary accounts to do this with. For instance, every 24 hour period, 3 or so open 'personas'. Once a post is made, whomever posted using the account could use it for a certain period of time, before the account expired?

    1 vote
    1. patience_limited
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      Seems like an invitation for bot activity. If the anonymous post is not spawned from an existing, legitimate account, there's no reason to trust it, given current technologies for automating abuse.

      Seems like an invitation for bot activity. If the anonymous post is not spawned from an existing, legitimate account, there's no reason to trust it, given current technologies for automating abuse.

      6 votes