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Feature request: Offer possibility to change Youtube link to invidio.us link
Hi,
The idea: When submitting a link, if youtube is detected on the link give a checkbox or something similar to switch to a more privacy aware youtube client
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In general I support using more privacy-conscious alternatives...but I don't think Tildes should support special-cases like this, or the submission form will become a hodgepodge very quickly.
One idea I've mentioned before, in other contexts, is the ability to add "additional source" as a sort of metadata, separate from comments. That could be used for invidio.us links, as well as "this is paywalled so here's a source that's not paywalled", etc. For big / breaking stories it can also be helpful to provide something similar to reddit's "megathread" functionality that coalesces multiple links into one topic so that discussion doesn't get fragmented.
Is this the first Tildes astroturfing campaign...?
The setup here was a bit...too perfect. (Especially given that that was /ourari's first comment
And both accounts don't even have a full page's worth of activity; despite /ourari being a relatively old account and /alexandre9099's being a bit old itself.
I'm a bit suspicious, at least.
I don't think so - I've seen at least a couple comments mentioning invidio.us before now, though I don't recall who it was. I don't think it's too surprising that there'd be a natural overlap between Tildes users and invidio.us users.
Actually, @ourari does have a full page's worth of activity. Remember that other people's user pages show only the last 20 items in their history, which is very limited compared to what you can see on your own user page. And I've seen @ourari around for quite a while before that. I recognise their name from my early days on Tildes, 3 months ago (it's an unusual name - it stands out!).
Oh yeah, I forgot about that...feature(?)!
Kinda annoying.
You think we could get @deimos to consider displaying a "Total Posts/Comments:" bar at the top of every profile? Would be a bit easier for checking for this in the future, especially before the trust system is implemented.
He said a month ago when he gave us the ability to see our own full user histories that "I plan to extend the tabs/pagination to all user pages some time next week". That would render the point moot: if you can see a user's full history, you don't need a summary count at the top of their profile page.
The discussion below that post led to the general decision that it shouldn't happen, right? I'm fairly sure I remember people pushing to not show full history.
Just because people pushed to not show full history, that doesn't mean that @Deimos agreed with them. I don't see anything in that discussion where @Deimos indicated he would not show users' full history. (EDIT: He did discuss giving users options to hide parts of their history, but the default position seems to be that a user's full history will be displayed unless the user activates a setting that changes the default.)
My assumption is that this is just one of the many many many things on the ever-growing "to do" list which he hasn't had a chance to get to yet.
Given that he said "some time next week," and it's not something like revamping the entire comment tagging system, I'd think that he might have changed his mind on it or reconsidered. Then again, it's a forum, so just...asking him probably works better than speculation. Or checking the GitLab, page, I guess.
Well... it was more that I started working on something more complicated (being able to paginate the "recent activity" page instead of needing to choose a post type), hit some snags, decided to work on some other stuff and come back to it later, and... now it's been a month. I should really get back to that soon. My inclination is still to show all history by default, but may allow some restrictions to be placed on it.
(Sticking a mention here for @Algernon_Asimov so he sees this post too)
... which is why I tagged him in my comment. :)
And why I tagged him in my opening comment! =D
I can't speak for OP, but here's my opinion on this matter:
https://tildes.net/~tildes/627/feature_request_offer_possibility_to_change_youtube_link_to_invidio_us_link#comment-1qgk
Edit: There's no way I could disprove your hunch so I don't expect you to take my word for it, but I think what you're seeing is OP having an idea and sharing it with us after they learned about something new. The fact that I disagreed with OP before you posted your suspicions may help disprove your theory ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also, that was not my first comment. My oldest comment is months old, but I can't find it. Here's one from 3 months ago, though: https://tildes.net/~music/1he/eddie_kendricks_girl_you_need_a_change_of_mind_197_bobby_busnach_remix#comment-dn1
That is actually a smart point, but i'm in no way affiliated with invidio.us, it was recommended to me (and i saw reference to it a few times) so i decided to also recommend it, the same thing with linux for example, i don't even know linus or RMS IRL but i still support their (and other free software) projects :)
I'm not familiar with invidio.us, what's more privacy-aware about it? It still appears to be loading the thumbnails, the actual video files, etc. from YouTube servers, so Google will still know everything you're watching.
Either way, there are browser extensions available that will replace all youtube links with invidious ones, so you can accomplish this on your end if it's something you really want.
If you watch through something like invidio.us, the file is downloaded in full, which means YT can't track when you skip, pause or repeat. Ads and the tracking that comes with them are also stripped. The downside is that the highest available resolution is 720p.
Interesting, what does invidio.us get out of this deal? What is there take?
Seems like someone's pet coding project. Guy behind it goes by Omar Roth. He does ask for donations. So I guess money, usability, programming experience, and exposure.
I think we should not focus on redirecting to alternatives for the sake of privacy, and let users do that on their own terms if they wish.
I appreciate the sentiment behind your idea. I have no love for Google and use invidio.us myself, but I don't think this is a viable option. We don't know who runs it or if it's going to exist and function tomorrow. Before invidio.us there was hooktube.com. Hooktube was kicked from YouTube's API recently without warning, rendering it useless overnight. The same could happen to invidio.us.
Tildes' current limited resources are better spent elsewhere, I think.
Edited to add:
If you want to watch videos hosted on YouTube without YT collecting data on how you watch it (pausing, repeating, sharing, etc.) you can download the videos using youtube-dl
youtube-dl -F https://youtu.be/watch?v=*******will give you a list of the video and audio in different qualities.youtube-dl -f best https://youtu.be/watch?v=*******will give you the best available combo of video and audio. (Sometimes if you want the highest quality video and highest quality audio you can only download them separately, and can then combine them with something like Handbrake.)Additionally, if you have both
youtube-dlandmpv, you can stream it just as easily:mpv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ.Did I just get rickrolled on tildes? I should have known that dQw4 looked familiar.
Thanks for the tip!
Nice, thanks ;)
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Please make feature requests on the issue tracker.
Exactly, if i see something is broken on tildes i'll not come here and ask if it is broken, but feature requests, which night bring discussion seem to fit here :)
GitLab's free, and pretty self-explanatory.
Sorry for the double comment, but I want to show you how absolutely simple this process is. It's even simpler than submitting an entire post to ~tildes.
https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/issues/img/project_issues_list_view.png
Look at that. That's a simple interface. You hit "New Issue" and type your issue, then you hit send!
It's so easy I know people who use it as an entire forum in itself.
Uh, no? I never said, nor implied that.
You open the Tildes Gitlab link. On the side, there's an issues tab. You click the issues tab. You make an (entirely free) account, or you can log in with Google (and I think Microsoft?). You type up your thing. You hit CTRL-ENTER. Your thing is sent.
Bam, just like...literally any forum in the entire world. Writer, not a computer dev, here.
I'm not taking issue with the whole "~tildes can be used for feature requests" bit, I'm taking issue with how you're acting like sending people to the GitLab issue tracker would be such an intensellllly hard thing to do. It's not. Like, at all. It's literally easier than writing ~tildes posts.
There's convenience, which is a valid argument; and again, I'm entirely on the side of using ~tildes for whatever, but then there's just downright laziness and intellectual dishonesty. You don't have to "Learn" the GitLab issue tracker when it literally guides you through how to press the four buttons to use it better than Tildes itself does.
You're acting like computer devs are the only people who can figure out even the simplest of things, which is just sad. Like, imagine if you took that mindset to walking. "Only Usaine Bolt and co. can walk. The rest of us should all be spoonfed because obviously we're too much of plebians to learn how to walk."
That's the most regressive mindset on this site I've seen this far and I've seen a person talk about how the only way to achieve true equality and peace was violent, socialist revolution and killing people.
If you click on 'New Issue' after signing in, you don't see any flairs. That's what they are, basically; flairs. Or, in Tildes terms, tags. Simple as tags. Fairly simple. You're just kind of inventing a problem here where there isn't one.
And you made a new account for Tildes, and I assume you have a Google account; you probably have made one or two accounts this month, if you're an average internet user. And again, the "Sign Up / Register" screen allows you to sign in using Google, which isn't creating a new account; it's just signing in.
There's no reason to go to that much effort to purposely not get something.
None of which you would need to (or even can) fill in. That's what us "reporters" are for. ;)
The traffic here is manageable for now, so those of us actively using Gitlab can easily monitor all of Tildes and create the appropriate issues when people bring them up on the site, but at some point we will likely need more help as Tildes grows. You're incredibly active here, so you're kind of ideal for helping in that regard (if you're willing to, that is). IMO, at some point you should give Gitlab a try, it's really not as complex as it may initially seem. And if you do decide you want to help, all you would need to do is submit any appropriate issues to Gitlab with the title and some text describing the issue (if/when you spot any posted by users on Tildes) and those of us with "reporter" status can handle filling in the rest of the fields.
Fair enough. You seem to be more than willing to help in other ways, e.g. with tag curation, (which is appreciated) so I was just making a suggestion in case you wanted to take it to the next level. It wasn't meant as a personal attack or to nag at you or guilt you into doing anything you don't want to do, so sorry if it came off as that way.
From the ~tildes group description:
These sorts of topics are encouraged. ~tildes is basically supposed to be like a combination of /r/theoryofreddit and /r/ideasfortheadmins (which I used to mod along with @KrispyKrackers)... but unlike there on reddit, Deimos actually gives a shit about what the users think and want to see implemented on the site. ;)
Is this where we go down the tagging rabbit hole and discuss whether things should be tagged ~tildes.gitlab or ~tildes.git or ~tildes.gitlab.issues.suggestions.myidea ?
suggestionshas been the tag being used for this purpose and I think it's sufficient for now. Anyone who doesn't want to see or participate in topics like this is free to filter that tag out or unsubscribe from ~tildes (they can still stay subbed to ~tildes.official). But at some point I imagine a ~tildes.ideas, ~tildes.help, ~tildes.dev, etc... will be created to help keep things organized when the volume gets too high for it all to be in one group.IMO, I would avoid using hierarchical tags quite yet though... since there are some issues with them that need to be sorted out before they are really useful.