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Group suggestion: ~socialmedia

Hereby I suggest that there be a dedicated Tildes group for social media–related topics.

Current State

The (recent) number of topics tagged social media exceeds the number of topics in several existing groups:
https://tildes.net/?tag=social_media
In addition, there are more topics without the social media tag but with tags related to individual social media, e.g.,
https://tildes.net/?tag=reddit
https://tildes.net/?tag=facebook
https://tildes.net/?tag=twitter

These topics are quite scattered across the site (many of them are in ~tech, and some were moved to ~tech from places like ~talk and ~misc).

Why Not Just ~tech?

The topics are often focused on non-technical aspects of social media, and the mentioned moves from more general groups might suggest that social media are perceived as a general rather than a purely techn(olog)ical phenomenon. In addition, ~tech is already the biggest Tildes group.

Special Relevance

Tildes is itself a social medium site, and many of the above topics are thus specifically relevant for Tildes. For this reason, I suggest ~socialmedia as a top-level group rather than a subgroup (of ~tech, apparently).

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    hungariantoast Link
    In my opinion, it should definitely be a subgroup of ~tech, because the activity a group receives shouldn't be what determines if it is a top level group or not. I even think we have too many top...

    In my opinion, it should definitely be a subgroup of ~tech, because the activity a group receives shouldn't be what determines if it is a top level group or not. I even think we have too many top level groups as it is and that, when subgroups do start showing up, we should shuffle some of the current top level groups around, underneath others, but that's not relevant for this discussion.

    Aren't groups supposed to be a hierarchy of relations, not popularity? Also, social media is a technology and an overwhelming amount of discussion about social media on this site also ties into subjects like moderation, privacy, algorithms, and other ~tech related subjects. Most of the topics tagged with social media are posted to ~tech as well.

    When subgroups finally do start showing up, I definitely think a social media subgroup, along with a privacy subgroup, will be two of the first to appear.

    Also, this would be an excellent excuse to start working on crossposting topics, so that topics tagged with social media that get posted to ~news might also show up in ~tech.socialmedia.

    The big thing I want to get across in this comment though, is that I think top level groups should be special, wide categories, and there shouldn't be that many of them.

    (Also, just want to say, this is a case where knowing the amount of topics in a group that have been tagged with a specific tag would be very helpful, because it seems like ~tech receives an overwhelming amount of topics tagged with social media compared to other groups, but there's no easy way to measure the actual numbers.)

    10 votes
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        MetArtScroll Link Parent
        Is there a way to take moves between groups into account? For example, https://tildes.net/~tech/bgb/r_piracy_receives_official_warning_from_reddit_legal_about_74_copyright_infringements was moved...

        Is there a way to take moves between groups into account?

        For example,
        https://tildes.net/~tech/bgb/r_piracy_receives_official_warning_from_reddit_legal_about_74_copyright_infringements
        was moved from ~talk to ~tech according to the topic log.

        3 votes
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          1. MetArtScroll Link Parent
            Definitely, some numbers is better than no numbers at all. Whether, which, and to whom (built-in) statistical tools should be available is another interesting question.

            Definitely, some numbers is better than no numbers at all. Whether, which, and to whom (built-in) statistical tools should be available is another interesting question.

            4 votes
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      MetArtScroll Link Parent
      My main suggestion is that a social media (sub)group is created. While I would prefer an independent top-level group now, a subgroup is still better than no group at all. Another reason why I...

      My main suggestion is that a social media (sub)group is created. While I would prefer an independent top-level group now, a subgroup is still better than no group at all. Another reason why I prefer top-level is mirroring the top-level ~tildes. But your argument does make sense too. (The optimal number of the top-level groups is an interesting but different question.)

      As for privacy,
      https://tildes.net/?tag=privacy
      this seems to be an extremely frequent tag, and the topics are overwhelmingly in ~tech (and if not, they seem to belong there anyway). It is quite interesting that while privacy is not a tech-only topic, nearly all of privacy-related issues today do necessarily involve technology—whereas social media are tech, but many social media–related issues extend well beyond tech.

      Moreover, the topics of social media and privacy intersect, which can be eventually used to test the directed acyclic graph model (~socialmedia.privacy [or ~tech.socialmedia.privacy] and ~tech.privacy.socialmedia should point to the same place).

      2 votes