I’m having a really hard time with this. I mean, I’m happy that justice is being served, but I feel like a little part of me is dying. I loved Bill Cosby. I grew up watching the Cosby Show, and...
I’m having a really hard time with this. I mean, I’m happy that justice is being served, but I feel like a little part of me is dying. I loved Bill Cosby. I grew up watching the Cosby Show, and remember him from Fat Albert, and of course the jello pudding commercials. I know this sounds ridiculous, but it’s breaking my heart that this is the legacy he’s leaving behind after a lifetime of entertaining the world. It makes me sad that The Cosby Show will likely never be aired again. This just seems unfair, not just to me, but to everyone who grew up watching and working on the show.
I realize that this is all his own doing, and it also wouldn’t be fair to deny justice, it’s just that I’m having a bit of a moment right now mourning a piece of childhood lost.
I always kinda disliked Cosby just because of how much flak he gave Prior and Eddie Murphy for their "crude" language. And yet during all that time working "clean" and giving other black comedians...
I always kinda disliked Cosby just because of how much flak he gave Prior and Eddie Murphy for their "crude" language. And yet during all that time working "clean" and giving other black comedians shit who didn't, he was actually going around drugging and raping women... and may in fact be the most prolific serial rapist in US history? Yeah... fuck him and his hypocrisy.
Yeah, me too. My brain is having a hard time reconciling that hilarious guy on TV from Fat Albert and the Cosby Show with the rapist we now know him to be. The video is just sad, that little...
Yeah, me too. My brain is having a hard time reconciling that hilarious guy on TV from Fat Albert and the Cosby Show with the rapist we now know him to be. The video is just sad, that little whimper he lets out when they ask him for comment. He's so pathetic. Cosby was practically a god - one of the greatest comedians ever, a megastar who would have been remembered forever. And he turned out to be a fucking asshole the whole time. What a waste.
So, his prison sentence is 10 years, but he will be eligible for parole in 3 years. Meaning that if the parole board sees fit he can be released early for good behavior but he has to serve 3 years...
So, his prison sentence is 10 years, but he will be eligible for parole in 3 years. Meaning that if the parole board sees fit he can be released early for good behavior but he has to serve 3 years before that is a possibility. Thats how I have always know it.
No, he doesn't. There was no evidence to back up any of it. A handful of parents accused Michael Jackson of sexually assaulting their children and ultimately all of them were doing it as a money...
No, he doesn't.
There was no evidence to back up any of it.
A handful of parents accused Michael Jackson of sexually assaulting their children and ultimately all of them were doing it as a money grab and he never touched any of the kids inappropriately.
Trial by public opinion is dangerous.
Cosby was prosecuted for only one of the women because she was the only one that had a believable story that had some evidence to back it up. There is no way to prove if the other women are making the claims for nefarious reasons or legitimate reasons.
The prosecution pursued the case that they were able to, that is just how the US court system works. One person's words without corroboration is meaningless. So they pursued the case that had...
The prosecution pursued the case that they were able to, that is just how the US court system works. One person's words without corroboration is meaningless. So they pursued the case that had corroboration.
Cosby buying Methaqualone to give to women is not that weird, it's a club drug and is used recreationally as a party drug (especially in the 60s and 70s). Plenty of people buy it to give away at clubs to people they meet (and hook up with), him admitting that doesn't really hold weight because we cannot prove intent. That's like saying some 20-something raver is a rapist because he brought MDMA into a rave. The drugs alone do nothing to prove intent and people buying drugs to give to people they are hooking up with is very common.
Which is the same conclusion the prosecution came to and why they only pursued the case they could prove.
First of all, I was not defending him. I was pointing out that the opinion that he deserves much longer in jail for the other crimes he may or may not of committed is completely wrong. He was...
First of all, I was not defending him. I was pointing out that the opinion that he deserves much longer in jail for the other crimes he may or may not of committed is completely wrong. He was proven to have committed this crime, none of us have enough information to know if he is guilty of anything else. It is not our job, right or place to make those judgements. Trial by public opinion is not something to be taken lightly.
Second, no I am not;
repeating the tired old bullshit about how women who report rape often make up their stories for money, for fame, or just for shits & giggles.
A shockingly high number of sexual assault cases are because of regret over consensual sex, desire for attention, or are entirely made up. More so when a celebrity is involved. It is only in the last few years we have finally started seeing false accusations actually being prosecuted legally. I am not making that up, it's not "tired old bullshit" its a proven fact and it not only hurts the accused but more importantly it hurts the credibility of women that have had real crimes committed against them.
Your stance on the entire issue is blinded by public opinion. The example I used before was perfect for this; People were outright convinced Michael Jackson had molested children, dozens of parents came forward and a few went to trial. It was ultimately proven that none of them had been treated badly by Michael and in reality he was just trying to live out the childhood he never had in a somewhat misguided way. Those allegations were spread out over decades as well and ultimately it was proven that it was all false.
So no, until a court of law says Cosby actually committed all the crimes he has been accused of, he is innocent of them. You (and I) have no right to place judgement on him.
You neither know Cosby or his accusers, nor have you actually seen the evidence in each of their cases or spoken to them directly. No, you should not be passing judgements. You can feel justified...
You neither know Cosby or his accusers, nor have you actually seen the evidence in each of their cases or spoken to them directly.
No, you should not be passing judgements. You can feel justified in doing so all you want, but that does not make it right.
I am not going to get into it with you on the subject of false accusations, there is plenty of evidence out there you can use to educate yourself. My personal experience comes from minoring in criminal justice in college. You clearly feel strongly about the subject so I doubt anything I show you would be met with unbiased review.
How many result in a conviction? Because it's not a case of '2.1% were found to be false, therefore 97.9% were accurate', it's '2.1% were found to be false, therefore 97.9% were not found to be...
How many result in a conviction? Because it's not a case of '2.1% were found to be false, therefore 97.9% were accurate', it's '2.1% were found to be false, therefore 97.9% were not found to be false'.
A quick wikipedia search puts it at around 3% of reported rapes lead to incarceration or felony conviction in the US.
This means 94.9% are squarely in the 'we don't know enough to be sure' category. Trying to auto-assign those to one side or the other is disgustingly intellectually dishonest, and puts holes in an argument that shouldn't need to rely on conviction rates at all.
I just wanted to clarify something with you. I am not refusing to discuss this with you because I think I am wrong or not willing to back up my claim, I am refusing to discuss this with you...
I just wanted to clarify something with you. I am not refusing to discuss this with you because I think I am wrong or not willing to back up my claim, I am refusing to discuss this with you because you are approaching the subject very aggressively and honestly, that isn't worth my time and energy. This is a tangent from the original discussion and its not a topic I feel like expending unnecessary energy in pursuing.
You have already provided the wiki with the statistics needed for you to pursue it further, not sure why you need me.
I am not dodging the conversation, I am dodging someone that is clearly not capable of continuing the discussion civilly. The accusations you just made towards me proves that. Take a hard look at...
now you're saying that I'm the problem because I'm being mean.
I am not dodging the conversation, I am dodging someone that is clearly not capable of continuing the discussion civilly. The accusations you just made towards me proves that.
I agree, they are all very different cases with varying degrees of severity. Lumping them all together just shows that the argument is based in public opinion, not the facts of this one instance.
I agree, they are all very different cases with varying degrees of severity.
Lumping them all together just shows that the argument is based in public opinion, not the facts of this one instance.
The problem is that the statute of limitations on rape in California is 10 years. His career is over, though. Even after he gets out, no one will touch him.
The problem is that the statute of limitations on rape in California is 10 years.
His career is over, though. Even after he gets out, no one will touch him.
I was about to comment that there was no statute of limitations on rape, but then I thought I should double check that. I was wrong. It was only 10 years in California, but apparently that’s changing.
I was about to comment that there was no statute of limitations on rape, but then I thought I should double check that.
At some point when dealing with the elderly prison sentences are dialed back. The simple truth is that he might not even live past 3 years for all we know.
At some point when dealing with the elderly prison sentences are dialed back. The simple truth is that he might not even live past 3 years for all we know.
I’m having a really hard time with this. I mean, I’m happy that justice is being served, but I feel like a little part of me is dying. I loved Bill Cosby. I grew up watching the Cosby Show, and remember him from Fat Albert, and of course the jello pudding commercials. I know this sounds ridiculous, but it’s breaking my heart that this is the legacy he’s leaving behind after a lifetime of entertaining the world. It makes me sad that The Cosby Show will likely never be aired again. This just seems unfair, not just to me, but to everyone who grew up watching and working on the show.
I realize that this is all his own doing, and it also wouldn’t be fair to deny justice, it’s just that I’m having a bit of a moment right now mourning a piece of childhood lost.
I always kinda disliked Cosby just because of how much flak he gave Prior and Eddie Murphy for their "crude" language. And yet during all that time working "clean" and giving other black comedians shit who didn't, he was actually going around drugging and raping women... and may in fact be the most prolific serial rapist in US history? Yeah... fuck him and his hypocrisy.
People are complex. They can be both good and bad, often at the same time. I like to celebrate that good part and I invite you to do the same.
Yeah, me too. My brain is having a hard time reconciling that hilarious guy on TV from Fat Albert and the Cosby Show with the rapist we now know him to be. The video is just sad, that little whimper he lets out when they ask him for comment. He's so pathetic. Cosby was practically a god - one of the greatest comedians ever, a megastar who would have been remembered forever. And he turned out to be a fucking asshole the whole time. What a waste.
I'm not American, so can someone explain how a prison sentence can be variable length? What are the conditions of getting out in 3 years vs in 10?
So, his prison sentence is 10 years, but he will be eligible for parole in 3 years. Meaning that if the parole board sees fit he can be released early for good behavior but he has to serve 3 years before that is a possibility. Thats how I have always know it.
That makes sense, thanks!
So, basically, life.
Yup, he is 81, legally blind and has a slew of other health problems.
No, he doesn't.
There was no evidence to back up any of it.
A handful of parents accused Michael Jackson of sexually assaulting their children and ultimately all of them were doing it as a money grab and he never touched any of the kids inappropriately.
Trial by public opinion is dangerous.
Cosby was prosecuted for only one of the women because she was the only one that had a believable story that had some evidence to back it up. There is no way to prove if the other women are making the claims for nefarious reasons or legitimate reasons.
The prosecution pursued the case that they were able to, that is just how the US court system works. One person's words without corroboration is meaningless. So they pursued the case that had corroboration.
Cosby buying Methaqualone to give to women is not that weird, it's a club drug and is used recreationally as a party drug (especially in the 60s and 70s). Plenty of people buy it to give away at clubs to people they meet (and hook up with), him admitting that doesn't really hold weight because we cannot prove intent. That's like saying some 20-something raver is a rapist because he brought MDMA into a rave. The drugs alone do nothing to prove intent and people buying drugs to give to people they are hooking up with is very common.
Which is the same conclusion the prosecution came to and why they only pursued the case they could prove.
No one here is defending Cosby.
I have no clue what you are attempting to argue.
First of all, I was not defending him. I was pointing out that the opinion that he deserves much longer in jail for the other crimes he may or may not of committed is completely wrong. He was proven to have committed this crime, none of us have enough information to know if he is guilty of anything else. It is not our job, right or place to make those judgements. Trial by public opinion is not something to be taken lightly.
Second, no I am not;
A shockingly high number of sexual assault cases are because of regret over consensual sex, desire for attention, or are entirely made up. More so when a celebrity is involved. It is only in the last few years we have finally started seeing false accusations actually being prosecuted legally. I am not making that up, it's not "tired old bullshit" its a proven fact and it not only hurts the accused but more importantly it hurts the credibility of women that have had real crimes committed against them.
Your stance on the entire issue is blinded by public opinion. The example I used before was perfect for this; People were outright convinced Michael Jackson had molested children, dozens of parents came forward and a few went to trial. It was ultimately proven that none of them had been treated badly by Michael and in reality he was just trying to live out the childhood he never had in a somewhat misguided way. Those allegations were spread out over decades as well and ultimately it was proven that it was all false.
So no, until a court of law says Cosby actually committed all the crimes he has been accused of, he is innocent of them. You (and I) have no right to place judgement on him.
You neither know Cosby or his accusers, nor have you actually seen the evidence in each of their cases or spoken to them directly.
No, you should not be passing judgements. You can feel justified in doing so all you want, but that does not make it right.
I am not going to get into it with you on the subject of false accusations, there is plenty of evidence out there you can use to educate yourself. My personal experience comes from minoring in criminal justice in college. You clearly feel strongly about the subject so I doubt anything I show you would be met with unbiased review.
How many result in a conviction? Because it's not a case of '2.1% were found to be false, therefore 97.9% were accurate', it's '2.1% were found to be false, therefore 97.9% were not found to be false'.
A quick wikipedia search puts it at around 3% of reported rapes lead to incarceration or felony conviction in the US.
This means 94.9% are squarely in the 'we don't know enough to be sure' category. Trying to auto-assign those to one side or the other is disgustingly intellectually dishonest, and puts holes in an argument that shouldn't need to rely on conviction rates at all.
I just wanted to clarify something with you. I am not refusing to discuss this with you because I think I am wrong or not willing to back up my claim, I am refusing to discuss this with you because you are approaching the subject very aggressively and honestly, that isn't worth my time and energy. This is a tangent from the original discussion and its not a topic I feel like expending unnecessary energy in pursuing.
You have already provided the wiki with the statistics needed for you to pursue it further, not sure why you need me.
I am not dodging the conversation, I am dodging someone that is clearly not capable of continuing the discussion civilly. The accusations you just made towards me proves that.
Take a hard look at yourself.
I agree, they are all very different cases with varying degrees of severity.
Lumping them all together just shows that the argument is based in public opinion, not the facts of this one instance.
The problem is that the statute of limitations on rape in California is 10 years.
His career is over, though. Even after he gets out, no one will touch him.
Not sure how much career you'd expect a legally blind 81 year old to have really.
I was about to comment that there was no statute of limitations on rape, but then I thought I should double check that.
I was wrong. It was only 10 years in California, but apparently that’s changing.
At some point when dealing with the elderly prison sentences are dialed back. The simple truth is that he might not even live past 3 years for all we know.