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WandaVision | Episode 8 Discussion Thread

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  1. moocow1452
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    The nerve of this show to drop a recap episode right before the finale. I'm having a hard time getting a read on Agatha, because there are moments where she lets down her guard and looks like...

    The nerve of this show to drop a recap episode right before the finale.

    I'm having a hard time getting a read on Agatha, because there are moments where she lets down her guard and looks like she's empathizing with Wanda, but then she's also strangling her kids, so... morally gray. Also I just now put together that Hayward lied about Wanda stealing Vision so that SWORD would get jurisdiction on the case over the FBI, and he could keep an eye on a new sentient weapon.

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    dubteedub
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    I liked the Salem scene set in the 1600s showing us just how old Agatha is. It also helps put just how powerful Wanda is in context. Agatha is hundreds of years old and based on how she sucked the...

    I liked the Salem scene set in the 1600s showing us just how old Agatha is. It also helps put just how powerful Wanda is in context. Agatha is hundreds of years old and based on how she sucked the lifeforce from an entire coven, she seems pretty powerful. But even she can't even comprehend how Wanda has been able to pull this whole thing off in Westview, so that was cool.

    I liked exploring the past scenes of Wanda being obsessed with sitcoms and dealing with her many traumas and losses over the years. [Sidebar: I never actually watched Age of Ultron so I was largely unaware of most of her backstory in the MCU other than her brother died and she was in love with Vision from Infinity War / Endgame, so not sure how much of this is new or old details].

    I also thought that the reveal at the end of how Wanda started this whole mess in Westview was interesting. From what the SWORD Director had said, I was expecting her to go in magic a-blazing and steal him, so having her end up relatively calmly leaving and driving off was interesting. The scene of her building the house she wanted with Vision, restoring him, and transforming the town was pretty cool.

    I definitely had some vibes that Agatha was more understanding of Wanda throughout the episode and had a bit of whiplash when she seemed to turn full heel at the end. I know in the comics Agatha is more of a mentor character so I was thinking maybe they might be angling more that way. Even though the episode ended with Agatha seeming to be a full-on villain, I wonder if the main antagonist is going to be the SWORD Director guy and it ends with a women team-up of Wanda, Agatha, and Rambeau taking him down or something. I definitely would like to see Agatha hang around more in the future of the MCU and maybe teach Wanda how to control her power more. Though, she could also just break entirely seeing the Un-Vision that is brought back and being forced to basically kill him again or something.

    Overall, i've enjoyed the series so far and interested to see how it wraps up next week.

    6 votes
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      Grzmot
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      I mean in my opinion her kids aren't real and Agatha might be pushing Wanda to finally confront what she's done. Wanda is the only one that can end this madness, it'd make sense I think.

      I definitely had some vibes that Agatha was more understanding of Wanda throughout the episode and had a bit of whiplash when she seemed to turn full heel at the end.

      I mean in my opinion her kids aren't real and Agatha might be pushing Wanda to finally confront what she's done. Wanda is the only one that can end this madness, it'd make sense I think.

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        1. Grzmot
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          If things cannot exist outside of her influence, I don't think they are real. Though I didn't know her kids were important in the marvel universe.

          If things cannot exist outside of her influence, I don't think they are real. Though I didn't know her kids were important in the marvel universe.

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          nothis
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          Since no laws of physics or nature seem to matter if you can just OMG-magic shit at will, I kinda expect her to make Wanda-created Vision permanent somehow, thus giving Marvel back a superhero to...

          Since no laws of physics or nature seem to matter if you can just OMG-magic shit at will, I kinda expect her to make Wanda-created Vision permanent somehow, thus giving Marvel back a superhero to play with.

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            moocow1452
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            If you do OMG Magic, you'd run into the comic book issue where nobody stays dead and nothing really means anything, and considering the show is about Wanda processing her trauma, her getting back...

            If you do OMG Magic, you'd run into the comic book issue where nobody stays dead and nothing really means anything, and considering the show is about Wanda processing her trauma, her getting back Vision and her kids might be a bit too far.

            My guess is that Wanda's Vision either downloads into SWORD Vision's bod and becomes whole, or he sacrifices himself to save Wanda and his kids. Kids might go away, but be revealed to have been incarnated in another reality, leading Wanda to team up with Strange in his movie exploring the Multiverse. Maybe tease a villain, maybe imply there's a Vision in the Multiverse raising his kid if they want to pull in his daughter.

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              nothis
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              I mean, that was my first guess for "somehow". As for the "nothing stays dead" problem: We already had End Game. Like, literally everyone coming back from the dead is already a major plot point.

              My guess is that Wanda's Vision either downloads into SWORD Vision's bod

              I mean, that was my first guess for "somehow".

              As for the "nothing stays dead" problem: We already had End Game. Like, literally everyone coming back from the dead is already a major plot point.

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                1. Sand
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                  Loki came back from another timeline, and so did Gamora. Black Widow is getting a movie despite her death, and apparently Iron Man will make a cameo in it. It's not as bad as in the comic books,...

                  Loki came back from another timeline, and so did Gamora. Black Widow is getting a movie despite her death, and apparently Iron Man will make a cameo in it. It's not as bad as in the comic books, but it's already at the point where death doesn't really matter.

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          2. Ellimist
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            Hayward said that they threw every form of power at SWORD Vision and couldn’t activate him. It’s not a coincidence that SWORD Vision only activated after being affected by Wandas magic. I think...

            Hayward said that they threw every form of power at SWORD Vision and couldn’t activate him. It’s not a coincidence that SWORD Vision only activated after being affected by Wandas magic.

            I think SWORD Vision will be a blank slate and Wanda will somehow merge SV with the Vision that exists in the Hex. Either that or Visions personality is still kicking around in SV and will need to “reboot” or something

      2. dubteedub
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        Yeah, I was definitely had a thought after that final flashback scene like "okay now shes gonna show her that her kids aren't real," but then was holding them captive If she realizes that the kids...

        Yeah, I was definitely had a thought after that final flashback scene like "okay now shes gonna show her that her kids aren't real," but then was holding them captive

        If she realizes that the kids are just imaginary like Fietro or whatever, that would definitely push her over the edge too

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    tomf
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    Don't forget to watch the mid-credits sequence! I loved this episode. Its fun to see 'behind the curtain', so to speak.

    Don't forget to watch the mid-credits sequence!

    I loved this episode. Its fun to see 'behind the curtain', so to speak.

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      moocow1452
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      I wonder if SWORD Vision not having the Mind Stone or Wanda's influence would default to Ultron's code, giving Wanda another chance to bust his head in, or would it be just too many moving parts...

      I wonder if SWORD Vision not having the Mind Stone or Wanda's influence would default to Ultron's code, giving Wanda another chance to bust his head in, or would it be just too many moving parts compared to an Evil!Vision they gotta punch until he goes away?

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        tomf
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        My guess is that evil!Vision that she'll have to kill --- but all of this is leading to Dr Strange. I saw a theory that all of this was created by Nightmare, which is a pretty good theory, even...

        My guess is that evil!Vision that she'll have to kill --- but all of this is leading to Dr Strange. I saw a theory that all of this was created by Nightmare, which is a pretty good theory, even with the revelation of the new Vision. However, they might be replacing Nightmare with Karl Mordo.

        Its all a bit of a stretch, but the one thing I think we can know for sure is that Wanda is gonna kick evil!Vision's ass.

        A Vision v Vision fight would be excellent, leading to Wanda having to terminate the original Vision, which would be heartbreaking.

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          1. tomf
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            That would be awesome! It seems like they're able to pull pretty much anyone they want, no matter what the cost. I really hope they take their time with everything to give characters like Ultron...

            That would be awesome! It seems like they're able to pull pretty much anyone they want, no matter what the cost.

            I really hope they take their time with everything to give characters like Ultron their fair share of screen time.

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    Nivlak
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    Anyone have thoughts on who Wanda saw in the mind stone?

    Anyone have thoughts on who Wanda saw in the soul mind stone?

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    1. Grzmot
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      The silhouette looked a lot like Wanda herself in her Scarlet Witch costume from the halloween episode, so might have just been looking into the future.

      The silhouette looked a lot like Wanda herself in her Scarlet Witch costume from the halloween episode, so might have just been looking into the future.

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