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Comment on Denmark has proposed scrapping its tax on chocolate, cake and other sweets, as well as coffee, to help consumers cope with high food prices in ~food
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Comment on Denmark has proposed scrapping its tax on chocolate, cake and other sweets, as well as coffee, to help consumers cope with high food prices in ~food
Pepetto Link ParentThank you, price difference between bordering countries finally makes a bit of sense! But then since streaming service can (and do) raise their price so long as the customers globally tolerate it,...Thank you, price difference between bordering countries finally makes a bit of sense!
They probably calculated that they can raise prices and lose a few customers but make more money overall.
But then since streaming service can (and do) raise their price so long as the customers globally tolerate it, why assume it's any different for supermarkets?
Whats stopping Walmart from raising the price of mashed potatoes to as high as it can go (after calculating the optimum balance with customer loss)?
And to circle back to this thread's topic, wouldn't removing taxes on Netflix/chocolate just mean that Netflix/chocolate_sellers will raise their prices accordingly (to return to the same optimal point)? -
Comment on Denmark has proposed scrapping its tax on chocolate, cake and other sweets, as well as coffee, to help consumers cope with high food prices in ~food
Pepetto (edited )Link ParentThank you for taking the time to explain this to me. This makes a lot of sense. I did indeed forget about the third world coming into the competion for luxuries. But how does that square with my...Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me. This makes a lot of sense. I did indeed forget about the third world coming into the competion for luxuries.
But how does that square with my exemple of regional products being more expensive in their home region? Shouldn't price equalize as supermarkets rearrange which location stock more of the products.
Why are the exact same products sometime half the price in spain than in france, if not because the supermarket adjust it's expectation to locals' income.
Also, how about the web service industry: Youtube and Netflix prices increase for example. Can they not keep building datacenter, why would they send the signal to consume less?
Don't feel like you have to put in even more time to explain again if you don't feel like it, if you don't I'll go read a book, no worries.
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Comment on Could a space traveler accelerate at 1g forever? in ~space
Pepetto Link ParentDon't know who thought it up first, or if both arrived to that idea independantly, but that's also the principle behind Alastair Reynolds's Atalanta. Edit: apparently, both got the idea from an...Don't know who thought it up first, or if both arrived to that idea independantly, but that's also the principle behind Alastair Reynolds's Atalanta.
"It was a ramscoop," Dreyfus said. "A starship built around a single massive engine designed to suck in interstellar hydrogen and use it for reaction mass. Because it didn't have to carry its own fuel around, it could go almost as fast as it liked, right up to the edge of light-speed."
Edit: apparently, both got the idea from an actual real life theoretical engine. The Bussart ramjet
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Comment on Data centers don't raise people's water bills in ~tech
Pepetto Link ParentI know it's not the same scale, but isn't this like Watercooled desktop PC? I mean sure, you have to periodically flush and refill the loop so consumption isn't literally zero, but it's pretty...I know it's not the same scale, but isn't this like Watercooled desktop PC? I mean sure, you have to periodically flush and refill the loop so consumption isn't literally zero, but it's pretty damn close...
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Comment on Denmark has proposed scrapping its tax on chocolate, cake and other sweets, as well as coffee, to help consumers cope with high food prices in ~food
Pepetto Link ParentWhile politely expressed, i detect undertone of condescension ("do they not teach ... at school anymore"). And I warned about my lack of education on the topic. No, I formerly thought prices...While politely expressed, i detect undertone of condescension ("do they not teach ... at school anymore"). And I warned about my lack of education on the topic.
No, I formerly thought prices reflected the equilibrium point where about as many people can buy it as we can produce (supply and demand). This might apply to general goods like steel or oil, but not consumer goods. In actuality we can produce arbitrarily larger quantities of things than people could ever buy, so price actually just reflects how much money buyers find is acceptable (and dump the excess). Otherwise you'd expect competition to drive profit lower and lower (you don't observe that, in fact profits tend to increase). -
Comment on Denmark has proposed scrapping its tax on chocolate, cake and other sweets, as well as coffee, to help consumers cope with high food prices in ~food
Pepetto Link(Not an economist, basically no economic knowledge, probably not very legitimate for me to broadcast my personal uninformed opinion) This is pandering to the electorate and won't actually lower...(Not an economist, basically no economic knowledge, probably not very legitimate for me to broadcast my personal uninformed opinion)
This is pandering to the electorate and won't actually lower prices. I've become convinced that consumer goods' prices have much more to do with how much people are willing to pay for them than how much it cost to produce (exhibit A; regional product are more expensive in their home region, where they are desirable, than in surrounding region where they had to be imported so should cost more). Lowering taxes in this situation just means higher profit. The "hand of the market" doesn't work very well for consumer goods, consumers as a whole are too sensitive to trends and perception. -
Comment on Recommendations for a obscure newer games in ~games
Pepetto LinkDon't know how popular or not they are, but my friends usually haven't heard about: webbed A cute sidescroller were you are a small spider that can shot web. Swinging like spiderman. Real fun and...Don't know how popular or not they are, but my friends usually haven't heard about:
webbed
A cute sidescroller were you are a small spider that can shot web. Swinging like spiderman. Real fun and quick.shotgun king
A chess themed turned based top down strategy shooter?apico
A beekeeping simulation game in a pixel art world. You can selectively breed your beequeens to get better hives...Teardown
You have to plan a heist, you get as long as you want to prepare but the time limit is tight once you touch the first item on your list... So you have to prepare carefully your route, put ramps and park cars in the right place to catch a few second... Did I mention everything is destructable?Let me know if you liked any of them!
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Comment on 'I can't drink the water' - Life next to a US data centre in ~enviro
Pepetto (edited )Link ParentI totally get that! Do you think we could give a more accurate approximation of overall consumption by going global. Like how many GPU.hour are owned by AI companies and assuming they run 24/7....I totally get that!
Do you think we could give a more accurate approximation of overall consumption by going global.
Like how many GPU.hour are owned by AI companies and assuming they run 24/7. Could we just assume the H100 gpu represents most of the AI companies' compute? Each is 700 watt max TDP, so (x8760 hour in the year) 6 million watt hours per year. Times 2 millions H100 sold in 2024 worldwide --> 12000 gigawatt hour.
And divide that by all model total prompt... Not sur how to get that, maybe assume it's proportional to the number of H100 possessed, so we could use open AI number to estimate total number? But then we might as well just estimate chat gpt alone:
Anyway open AI owns 700,000 H100 and has 500 millions "users" (couldn't find good sources for those).
So 700000x6million divided by 500million so 8400watt hour per user.
That's about equal to running a normal oven for 5 hours. Which is much more than I expected, (it seems you are right that training is more than actual inferring).
(Oups, edited after you answered)
Also, i'm pretty sure the other models are also used by the same 0.5 billion users, so the fairest would be to count 3 times that. Which is still negligable. -
Comment on 'I can't drink the water' - Life next to a US data centre in ~enviro
Pepetto (edited )Link ParentYou're right that the estimation is likely lowballing real consumption. But it was just an estimation to show the order of magnitude involved, not an exact number to nitpick... sure, let's assume...You're right that the estimation is likely lowballing real consumption. But it was just an estimation to show the order of magnitude involved, not an exact number to nitpick...
sure, let's assume the server that trained gpt4 run 24/7/365 and that most other LLM company are not as used as chatgpt... Let's assume that total consuption is actually 10 times our initial assumption... And that's still low enough that i can offset that by taking a cold shower instead of a hot one once a week.
I think the main point still stands. (To clarify, I agree with you now that training might cost as much as usage, thought we cann't be sure, but i think overall consumption is still negligible, juste like I wouldn't care if my alarm clock was 10 times more energy hungry)
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Comment on 'I can't drink the water' - Life next to a US data centre in ~enviro
Pepetto (edited )Link ParentI don't know how to say this in a way that isn't offputting, (edit, looks like teaearlgreycold had a point and I was overconfident), please please please read the blog post even if (especially if)...I don't know how to say this in a way that isn't offputting,
but that's really wrong(edit, looks like teaearlgreycold had a point and I was overconfident), please please please read the blog post even if (especially if) you feel like you are allready particularly well informed. It adresses a lot of common misconception.Training GPT-4 used 50 GWh of energy. Like the 20,000 households point, this number looks ridiculously large if you don’t consider how many people are using ChatGPT. The numbers here are very uncertain, but my best guess based on available data says that since GPT-4 was trained, it answered around 50 billion prompts, until it was mostly replaced with GPT-4o. GPT-4 and other models were used for a lot more than ChatGPT — Notion, Grammarly, Jasper, AirTable, Khan Academy, Duolingo, GitHub Copilot — but to be charitable let’s assume it was only used for chatbots. Dividing 50GWh by 50 billion prompts gives us 1 Wh per prompt. This means that including the cost of training the model (and assuming each prompt is using 3 Wh) raises the energy cost per prompt by 33 percent, from the equivalent of 10 Google searches to 13. That’s not nothing, but it’s not a huge increase per prompt.
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Comment on 'I can't drink the water' - Life next to a US data centre in ~enviro
Pepetto LinkObligatory link to relevant blog post i recently read I found it pretty well explained ( even if it's repeating many time the same concept through many different metaphores, people often need to...Obligatory link to relevant blog post i recently read
I found it pretty well explained ( even if it's repeating many time the same concept through many different metaphores, people often need to hear the same thing over and over for it to finally engage with the concept).
The main jist of it, is that LLM use (personal or overall) has a negligible ecological impact, when compared to other humain activity, and it's a waste of mental ressources to worry about LLM ecological impact. (Which doesn't mean LLM's other problems are not problems, but we should be adults enough to understand that something can be bad without attributing every bad caracteristic to it)
In a lot of these conversations, I have a very strong urge to grab the other person’s shoulders and say “This is 3 Wh of energy we’re talking about!!!! We agree that’s the number! 3 Wh!!!!!! That’s so small!!!! Don’t you know this?!?!?! What happened to the climate movement????? All my climate friends used to know what 3 Wh meant!!! AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!". This would not be very mature, so instead I post 9,000 word blog posts to let off the steam.
When I hear people say “50 ChatGPT searches use a whole bottle of water!” I think they’re internally comparing this to the few times a year they buy a bottle of water. That makes ChatGPT’s water use seem like a lot. They’re not comparing it to the 1200 bottles of water they use every single day in their ordinary lives.
This means that every single day, the average American uses enough water for 24,000-61,000 ChatGPT prompts.
Suppose you gave yourself an energy budget for goofy ChatGPT prompts. Every year, you’re allowed to use it for 1,000 goofy things (a calculator, making funny text, a simple search you could have used Google for). At the end, all those prompts together would have used the same amount of energy as running a single clothes dryer a single time for half an hour. This would increase your energy budget by 0.03%. This is not enough to worry about. If you feel like it, please goof around on ChatGPT.
it’s as if everyone suddenly started obsessing over whether the digital clocks in our bedrooms use too much energy and began condemning them as a major problem. It’s sad to see the climate movement get distracted. We have gigantic problems and real enemies to deal with. ChatGPT isn’t one of them.
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Comment on Why handwriting matters in ~humanities.languages
Pepetto Link ParentI was taught cursive first, and it's what comes naturally to me now (and easier to read). I written much faster in cursive, as I don't need to lift the pen of the paper as often. It also looks...I was taught cursive first, and it's what comes naturally to me now (and easier to read). I written much faster in cursive, as I don't need to lift the pen of the paper as often.
It also looks prettier to me.So I think it might just come down to what you're used to...
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Comment on Rimworld announces the upcoming release of their new expansion named Odyssey in ~games
Pepetto LinkWhile dwarf-fortress will always remain the original superior base management game, rimworld did a lot of work to water it down enough for mass appeal. And the sci-fi theme is pretty cool. Overall...While dwarf-fortress will always remain the original superior base management game, rimworld did a lot of work to water it down enough for mass appeal.
And the sci-fi theme is pretty cool.
Overall I don't mind that they occasionally heavily reuse existing mods ideas into a dlc as that gives a more consistent "base game" feel (so more easy to find people to share design ideas with). I do feel like the DLC are way overpriced, and I'm not sure how much compensation is sent to the original mods' makers. -
Comment on What is the current state of Linux on phones? in ~tech
Pepetto (edited )Link ParentThey don't claim to be really secure, they claim to be privacy friendly. (Those are very different claims). e/OS is slightly less secure than stock android but focuses on striping Google's...They don't claim to be really secure, they claim to be privacy friendly. (Those are very different claims).
e/OS is slightly less secure than stock android but focuses on striping Google's telemetry from android as much as possible while not requiring the user to have a computer science diploma.
Depending on the app we are talking about, I'd argue even a few years late is trivial. Most vulnerabilities are more theoretical than actual threats.People give e/OS most shit for the old default browser, when you can just install and use a regular Firefox instead anyway.
For context, I got the Fairphone cause slavery isn't cool, with e/OS because advertiser spying isn't cool either. I don't need my OS to be an impregnable fortress. I did my research and I couldn't find a better traidoff:
GrapheneOS only works on pixels,
Other custom android aren't as good for privacy/usability (and let's be honest, neither are they much more secure)
Whereas you can buy a pre-flashed e/OS fairphone and directly use it with minimal effort.For each OS you can find plenty of people arguing you shouldn't use them. While tech litterate, I don't work in tech, so research here is exhausting.
So forgive me for having the knee jerk reaction to blanket disregard any low effort comment that I shouldn't use so or so OS, while not acknowledging that everyone's need is different, or even suggesting a better OS to try.Always critisizing everything which isn't perfect is mudding the water for non-tech-enthusiasts and ends up just encouraging helplessness and just sticking to stock android, since everything is bad anyway.
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Comment on What is the current state of Linux on phones? in ~tech
Pepetto Link Parent(Fxgn definitely should been more explicit in his post, just posting this link is not gonna cut it if he feels this strongly about anyone not using e/OS) e/OS works fine, requires barely any...(Fxgn definitely should been more explicit in his post, just posting this link is not gonna cut it if he feels this strongly about anyone not using e/OS)
e/OS works fine, requires barely any ajustment to the way you use your phone, and yes isn't as hardened as grapheneOS but should be fine if your threat model isn't other nation state.
Driving people away from it because it's imperfect is counter productive from a mass privacy view point.
Security nerds should learn to gracefully tolerate other things than their preferred specific solution. -
Comment on What defines an extraction shooter, and why does the gaming community generally dislike it? in ~games
Pepetto (edited )LinkI'd like to support the confusion between battle royal and extraction shooter. They share enough in common (spawn, gather loot, fight players, steal loot) that it's perfectly reasonable for most...I'd like to support the confusion between battle royal and extraction shooter. They share enough in common (spawn, gather loot, fight players, steal loot) that it's perfectly reasonable for most people to lump them together (extraction shooter is a battle royal where the map doesn't shrinks). It's like claiming gala and boscop apple are not both just apples. You are allowed to like one and not the other, but you shouldn't complain that they are lumped together by most people when most people don't care about the nuance between them.
Of course, thank you for the high effort post anyway, it was fun reading about your special interest and you explained your point of view very clearly. -
Comment on Long-term experiences with Google search alternatives? in ~tech
Pepetto (edited )Link ParentBecause it's still google's indexing, juste with kagi as a middle man. If you want to avoid google's ads, then getting it's results through kagi works fine. If you wan't to avoid using google at...Because it's still google's indexing, juste with kagi as a middle man.
If you want to avoid google's ads, then getting it's results through kagi works fine. If you wan't to avoid using google at all(don't want to feed their monopoly, or suspect they might censor the results, I don't know) then kagi won't help. -
Comment on Anyone interested in trying out Kagi? (trial giveaway: round #2) in ~tech
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Comment on Anyone interested in trying out Kagi? (trial giveaway: round #2) in ~tech
So... Are you agreeing that my initial comment is 100% correct (with some important nuances brought about by u/EgoEimi) ? The one where I say prices mostly depend on how much buyer find acceptable and will let the sellers get away with. And if we lower the taxes, people are still used to the old prices, so the sellers will just raise the prices back to what they where before the tax break.