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Comment on Why I am pursuing a life, professionally and personally, of Christian Virtue in ~humanities
ShamedSalmon Link ParentDecisive of what, exactly? Not once in this whole chapter does Jung conclude that healing the split in the Western mind is itself objectively impossible. As you reread the paragraph, what you can...Maybe, but this conclusion seems pretty plain and decisive:
Decisive of what, exactly? Not once in this whole chapter does Jung conclude that healing the split in the Western mind is itself objectively impossible. As you reread the paragraph, what you can see is that he is saying that grasping at the limits of Western religion and science, as they are currently implemented, are what makes deeper understandings of the self impossible to one who would not shirk them. You can read that to mean that your personal flavor of Christianity is therefore the universal solution if you like, or you can consider the point that Jung is making about psychoanalysis throughout the rest of the book.
If that isolated sentence were some sort of conclusion, it wouldn't be placed in the middle of the paragraph and followed up with further explanatory sentences. If Jung felt, as you allege, that the Western mind could not be made capable of understanding other ideas, he would not have been able to understand or explain them himself, nor would he have bothered to write half a book and more about them. Again, this is something you can make more understandable for yourself by reading the source text.
As to your question about which established religions should be used to socio-politically control people, whether good or bad, I would reiterate that you should consider digging deeper into Jung.
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Comment on Merry Christmas, people of Tildes in ~talk
ShamedSalmon Link ParentIt's the best gift-giving day ever! And now, a Christmas Poem by Linda Belcher: Click to Expand Merry Chrimbus, everyone! Meat's meat, right Santa?It's the best gift-giving day ever!
And now, a Christmas Poem by Linda Belcher:
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Christmas.
Christmas.
Christmas?
Oh, Chirstmas.
You Christmas, you.
Christmas-Christmas.
C-H-I, no—
C-H,
R-I-S-T-M-A-S...
Bells,
Bells-bells-bells.
Bells,
Bells-bells-bells.
Bells,
Bells-bells-bells.
Bells,
Bells-bells-bells!
La,
La-la-bells!
La,
La-la-bells!
La,
La-la-bells!
Merry Chrimbus, everyone! Meat's meat, right Santa?
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Comment on Why I am pursuing a life, professionally and personally, of Christian Virtue in ~humanities
ShamedSalmon (edited )Link ParentIt seems like you are struggling with comprehension of these quotes, and if I had to guess, it is likely because you are not reading the source texts from which these quotes are taken. For...It seems like you are struggling with comprehension of these quotes, and if I had to guess, it is likely because you are not reading the source texts from which these quotes are taken. For example, Collected Works is not a single book, but a volumization of all of Jung's books, essays, and letters. The quote you provided comes from Psychology and Religion: West and East (which is indexed as Volume 11 in Collected Works), specifically chapter 7, titled Yoga and the West. Here is the full paragraph with your cited passage in bold:
In the East, where these ideas and practices originated, and where an uninterrupted tradition extending over some four thousand years has created the necessary spiritual conditions, yoga is, as I can readily believe, the perfect and appropriate method of fusing body and mind together so that they form a unity that can hardly be doubted. They thus create a psychological disposition which makes possible intuitions that transcend consciousness. The Indian mentality has no difficulty in operating intelligently with a concept like prana. The West, on the contrary, with its bad habit of wanting to believe on the one hand, and its highly developed scientific and philosophical critique on the other, finds itself in a real dilemma. Either it falls into the trap of faith and swallows concepts like prana, atman, chakra, samadhi, etc., without giving them a thought, or its scientific critique repudiates them one and all as "pure mysticism." The split in the Western mind therefore makes it impossible at the outset for the intentions of yoga to be realized in any adequate way. It becomes either a strictly religious matter, or else a kind of training like Pelmanism, breath-control, eurhythmics, etc., and not a trace is to be found of the unity and wholeness of nature which is characteristic of yoga. The Indian can forget neither the body nor the mind, while the European is always forgetting either the one or the other. With this capacity to forget he has, for the time being, conquered the world. Not so the Indian. He not only knows his own nature, but he knows also how much he himself is nature. The European, on the other hand, has a science of nature and knows astonishingly little of his own nature, the nature within him. For the Indian, it comes as a blessing to know of a method which helps him to control the supreme power of nature within and without. For the European, it is sheer poison to suppress his nature, which is warped enough as it is, and to make out of it a willing robot.
I am not sure what you mean when you refer to the passage with the words, "this limitation", but Jung did not find so-called Eastern ideas to be incomprehensible. Rather, he thoroughly praised cultural yoga while denigrating the tendency of Western movements to dilute it into something more marketable. From his point of view, Westerners have lost sight of their own human natures, and he likened this blindness to a poison that leads to general destruction. If you are not up for reading the entire book, this is still a really good chapter on the value of yogic practices and the ways that they were now informing Jung's insights on psychology.
I would also add that Jung had unique and first-hand experience with the ways that Christianity has not succeeded in reigning in the human propensity for evil to any large degree. It's part of why he felt that psychoanalysis was the beginning of a field of work that would ultimately succeed what he also felt were the antiquated uses of religion, and thus potentially resolve the dichotomy at present between science and religion.
I think @phoenixrises and @Malle adequately cover the rest of the points, so I'll defer to them.
EDIT: Spelling correction.
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ShamedSalmon Link ParentOof, you are so right! Sorry about that to both you and OP. Using the wrong quote definitely detracts from the point I was making. I went ahead and fixed it. Thanks so much!Oof, you are so right! Sorry about that to both you and OP. Using the wrong quote definitely detracts from the point I was making. I went ahead and fixed it. Thanks so much!
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Comment on Why I am pursuing a life, professionally and personally, of Christian Virtue in ~humanities
ShamedSalmon (edited )Link ParentWhich is not what the quote says. Let's look at it again: Let's break it down. According to Amitabha's followers, he did indeed attain enlightenment and Buddhahood. The sect of Pure-Land Buddhism...What I read there is that no one's enlightenment can be complete until all are enlightened
Which is not what the quote says. Let's look at it again:
If I should attain Buddhahood, yet sentient beings of the ten directions who aspire to be reborn in my land with wholehearted faith and joy would not be reborn there, even if they have but ten thoughts of my name, may I not attain perfect enlightenment.
Let's break it down.
If I, [being Amitabha], should attain Buddhahood, yet [people of the world] who aspire to be reborn in my land... would not be reborn there... [then] may I, [being Amitabha], not attain perfect enlightenment. [Entry would only require] thoughts of my name.
According to Amitabha's followers, he did indeed attain enlightenment and Buddhahood. The sect of Pure-Land Buddhism is known worldwide for its universalist branches, whether you are aware of them or not. Under this theology, people aren't even required to ask for entry; unlike general Christianity (whether it's a true Scotsman or not), there's no redemption necessary. Entry into the Pure-Land is, to use your words, on offer without even asking, so there you go. And again, they make no attempts to hide their universalist outlook and their religious materials are freely available for people to look up.
Also, you're not addressing the crux of the issue I have presented: there are millions of people who live in the East and practice a form of Western Christianity, but you have painted them as all being "Eastern thinkers." There are millions of people in the West who practice forms of Eastern religion, but you have painted them all as inauthentically practicing Westerners. (You said Western Buddhists didn't count based on what you gleaned from your ex and a guy who knows a famous teacher; I said turn that around on Western analogues; you said yeah, maybe Europe doesn't have authentic Christians and Jung agrees, which prompted the responses from myself and others.) To use a quote of yours to address the more general aspect of this concern:
From where I can see, it is Christian virtue that is most understood by most people as good. I futher believe that Christian virtue--generosity, temperence, altruism chief among them--are really good values
These aren't Christian virtues; they're just virtues. Virtues that every culture holds. It's you who places limits on their applications. You even admitted elsewhere that you have a narrow understanding of history. Furthermore, in your opening, you stated that Western values were based on neo-platonic and Christian ideals, but have since then completely ignored the contributions of Greek society to both Christian and more general Western thought. Paradoxically, you seem to consider that as not pushing Christianity. Here are some more quotes from you:
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the best way to promote Goodness int he western world is with western ideas, which, in my estimation as far as virtue is concerned, are Christian values.
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Perhaps you are confusing promoting goodness with promoting Christianity? All of Christianity is not Good. Christ is good
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What I think is that Western ideals are very much Christian ideals.
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A better way to look at the issue is how helpful is the religion (or social group or whatever) at helping us reach our better nature? I think Christianity has done an OK job at promoting a virtuous society.
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if I can adequately define "true Christians," then I can certainly distinguish between groups that are similarly identified but not equally qualified.
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in my estimation, for better or worse, America is a Christian nation
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Christian philosophy has serious staying power, especially at the level of politics and non-elite circles.
If you like the way that looks, you probably still do not understand how people are reading you. If you don't like the way that looks, you might be seeing how people are reading you. When the argument seems like it suits you, you say that good Western values are actually Christian values. But when others point out that many Christian values are not good, you shift the argument and say that good Western values are really more Christ-like, and those who would consider themselves Christ-like do good. But when people point out that those who consider themselves as Christ-like don't do good, you shift the argument and say that the people you don't like are not Christians and you mean good in the sense of Western values. Then the cycle repeats.
Aside from the circular logic, to clarify my and others' concerns, a lot of your rhetoric comes across as American Evangelical with certain traits of its grassroots Nationalism. This could all be a misunderstanding, of course, but when your writing style however unwittingly illustrates that America = the West, that the West = good, that goodness = Christianity/Christ-likeness, it throws up red flags. I acknowledge your saying that you have tried to localize any judgements of "better or worse" to your particular cultural and geographical location, but that doesn't come across when you oversimplify the world into East vs. West and make unscholarly statements about religions and cultures that you simultaneously admit to not understanding well from your viewpoint.
I don't really have anything else to add, I suppose, except that I do appreciate you taking all of our questions about your writing expression style to heart and I do hope that we're just misunderstanding you. I am sorry if we are.
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Comment on Why I am pursuing a life, professionally and personally, of Christian Virtue in ~humanities
ShamedSalmon (edited )Link ParentIn Answer to Job, C.G. Jung posits that the Hebrew god did, in fact, sin against humanity, and thus had to incarnate and kill himself to atone for what he did to the innocent (namely Job). This...In Answer to Job, C.G. Jung posits that the Hebrew god did, in fact, sin against humanity, and thus had to incarnate and kill himself to atone for what he did to the innocent (namely Job).
This doesn't help with your passage, per se, and Jung's god is both an aspect of the psyche and a literary device that represents the progress of collective human thought, but I figured that the idea of the sinful god might add some interesting perspective to your comment about a god asking for our forgiveness.
As for the passage, Dr.Eve Levavi Feinstein proposes that this law was an early attempt at a minor improvement over the Middle Assyrian Laws that would have been commonplace during the period after the Assyrian Captivity. It is likely that Deuteronomy was written after Hezekiah's monolatric reforms, during the reign of Josiah, around 600 BCE. 2 Kings 22:8 records that the high priest Hilkiah "discovered" the book in the temple library.
This doesn't make such treatment of women okay by any means, but it does place the laws themselves in their historic time and place. However, I admit that with my answer not being a Christian one, this may not be the answer you are looking for.
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Comment on Why I am pursuing a life, professionally and personally, of Christian Virtue in ~humanities
ShamedSalmon Link ParentTo strengthen your point another way, Western ideas of badness would be primarily Christian in origin as well, which would also make Christianity the best way to promote badness in the West. We...To strengthen your point another way, Western ideas of badness would be primarily Christian in origin as well, which would also make Christianity the best way to promote badness in the West.
We could also take OP's line of derivative logic further:
Western ideas of goodness are primarily Christian in origin; Christianity is primarily Jewish, Hellenist, and Pagan in origin; Judaism is primarily Zoroastrian, Canaanite, and Egyptian in origin, and that makes Polytheism the best way to promote goodness in the West.
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Comment on Why I am pursuing a life, professionally and personally, of Christian Virtue in ~humanities
ShamedSalmon Link ParentElane Pagels is excellent! She is one of the leading experts on Valetinian Christian exegesis and her insights into the Apostle Paul as one of the (probably unwitting) fathers of Christian...Elane Pagels is excellent! She is one of the leading experts on Valetinian Christian exegesis and her insights into the Apostle Paul as one of the (probably unwitting) fathers of Christian Gnosticism have been vitally important to scholarly studies of early Christianity. I can't say anything to her personal beliefs, but her work is well researched and cited.
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Comment on Why I am pursuing a life, professionally and personally, of Christian Virtue in ~humanities
ShamedSalmon (edited )Link ParentThere are 44 million Chinese Christians; 6 million of them are Catholic. There are 28 million Indian Christians; 10 million of them are Catholic. There are 29 million Indonesian Christians; 9...- Exemplary
There are 44 million Chinese Christians; 6 million of them are Catholic. There are 28 million Indian Christians; 10 million of them are Catholic. There are 29 million Indonesian Christians; 9 million of them are Catholic. There are 14 million South Korean Christians; 6 million of them are Catholic. When you say, "it is the experience I would expect an eastern person to have approaching Christianity", what is it about "Eastern" intelligence that makes you feel that they are less than capable of understanding their own Christian faiths in the same manner as the group you label Western?
To be clear, when you say "Jung," do you mean Carl Gustav Jung, who said:
"The Catholic Church arranges the codification of memories and the lessons of history so much better. The conservation of so much classical paganism is of inestimable value. Therefore the Catholic is the Christian Church par excellence."
Letters, vol. 1
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"The God of words is cold and dead and shines from afar like the moon, mysteriously and inaccessibly: Let the word return to its creator, to man, and thus the word will be heightened in man."
The Red Book
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"The philosophy of the East, although so vastly different from ours, could be an inestimable
treasure for us too; but, in order to possess it, we must first earn it."Psychology and Religion: West and East
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"The goal in psychotherapy is exactly the same as in Buddhism."
Jung-Hisamatsu Conversation
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"What is so special about Christ, that he should be the motivational force? Why not another model–Paul, or Buddha, or Confucius, or Zoroaster? ...If we can view Christ as a human being, then it makes absolutely no sense to regard him as, in any way, a compelling model for our actions."
The Zofingia Lectures
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"Christ, like Buddha, is an embodiment of the self, but in an altogether different sense. Both stood for an overcoming of the world: Buddha out of rational insight; Christ as a foredoomed sacrifice. In Christianity more is suffered, in Buddhism more is seen and done. Both paths are right, but in the Indian sense, Buddha is the more complete human being."
Memories, Dreams, and Reflections
that Jung? Because he did not share in your regard, but held high esteem for both Catholicism and Buddhism, even though he did not espouse them as his own religion.
As for your side note, I am puzzled that you are presenting yourself as well educated on Pure-Land. If you are, then you would no doubt be familiar with the Larger Sutra of Immeasurable Life, the central text within that sect, in which Amitabha Buddha promises to his followers,
If I should attain Buddhahood, yet sentient beings of the ten directions who aspire to be reborn in my land with wholehearted faith and joy would not be reborn there, even if they have but ten thoughts of my name, may I not attain perfect enlightenment.
You say that you are not arguing that one way is right, nor that multiple ways are incompatible, in the same post where you allude that your incorrect understandings of Buddhism make it lesser than Christianity for not aligning with your unorthodox take on Christian salvation theory. If you mean to double down that there is only one Eastern culture and one Western culture, and that you feel your claims, as you have written them, about these billions of people have a large bit of accuracy, then I would say that your definition of goodness is fundamentally flawed for its championing of inconsideration and unkindness towards others.
If, however, you find yourself speaking too rashly, that you don't mean to speak for, judge, or gloss over such large and diverse groups of people in the manner that your arrangement of words have been doing, then I would say that you are at the beginning of a good road, but can greatly benefit from incorporating more clarity and accuracy in your writing style.
Please try to understand the genuineness of my confusion here, because thus far, I simply cannot tell whether you are a doctrinally mixed Christian Nationalist who doesn't want to be labelled as such, or a progressive who leans neo-gnostic with a strong need to clarify what they initially say. Your writing style comes across as talking down about these other groups while wanting to leverage the infrastructure of Christianity in your area for some ambiguous definition of good. Yet I just can't tell from your word choice and tone whether your definition of good is some form of racial exceptionalism or something else entirely. Again, I'm not trying to indict you, but based on the way you speak about others, I genuinely do not understand what your definition of good is, aside from its bearing some sort of relation to Protestantism.
EDIT: misspellings, clarified questions. Updated est. # of Chinese Christians from 2018 to 2023.
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Comment on Why I am pursuing a life, professionally and personally, of Christian Virtue in ~humanities
ShamedSalmon Link ParentHaving had the night to think about it, I personally believe that you, me, and everyone else are on the same page about avoiding remorseless slander for Christian culture's sake. To be fair to OP,...Having had the night to think about it, I personally believe that you, me, and everyone else are on the same page about avoiding remorseless slander for Christian culture's sake. To be fair to OP, he seems to have even declined the offer to preach. While I may take issue with the gōng-hé attitude of others about allowing proselytizing, or some of the word choices that OP has used in his post and responses, I can stand to consider that OP is at the beginning of his path in education and will be learning a lot more. I can also better myself by appreciating the fact that you really were responding with excitement over another's personal development—which is not wrong, nor a bad thing to be excited over, so I do not fault you or hold you in any ill-regard.
If you need my forgiveness, you have it, but I personally do not think you have done anything wrong. On the contrary, it is probably important that Tildes has a conversation on preaching, which you have enabled us to conduct, and I thank you for that!
At the end of the day, I want to see users treated with fairness, consideration, and compassion. My impression is that you want that too. In addition, while I may struggle to understand OP's points of view, I think that in his own way, he wants that as well and may not have intended for things to get derailed either. Though, I think we should have the conversation somewhere and I will admit that I'm glad to see people putting their foot down. However, I do not blame you or consider you as having committed any wrong-doing and I hope this doesn't impact your day.
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Comment on Why I am pursuing a life, professionally and personally, of Christian Virtue in ~humanities
ShamedSalmon (edited )Link ParentI think your outlook on Buddhism is, in the best light, kind of ignorant, and some might see such language as being a bit inconsiderate. Though, I am not saying that you are trying to be...I think your outlook on Buddhism is, in the best light, kind of ignorant, and some might see such language as being a bit inconsiderate. Though, I am not saying that you are trying to be dismissive, but let me invert your example of Buddhism into Christianity to show you what I mean:
Based on conversations I have had with Christians in Canada and the U.S., much of Christianity that could be said to be truly "European" is not fully Christian. Of course, Christianity has it's own vagaries and differences and subdivisions and conflicts and bad actors. I've studied under priests who have studied under renowned Catholic bishops, and could never truly sync up. Liturgical practice is definitely beautiful though, and I practice daily litanies still, huge fan of Thomas Merton. However, at least in my experience, Christianity as a whole required some efforts and commitments before I would be considered "in" unlike my sect of Pure-Land Buddhism which doesn't require that (and which originated in China, spread to Japan, and is widely present in the West today).
See also Redemption. When I wrote that comment, I had missed your statement of "I also don't think anyone's going to get damned to hell for all eternity... we'll all get [to heaven] eventually" which would likely place you in the universalist camp, correct?
Also, no, I did not know that you were joking about the KJV; sorry about that. It is such a common position among vocal U.S. Protestants online that I generally take such a statement at face value. I'd be careful in narrowing your definition to first century textual copies though, as none exist and the oldest fragments of the New Testament are thought to be from the late second to early third century and onwards.
EDIT: Spelling and clarity.
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ShamedSalmon Link ParentOh I definitely agree with you on all points. I was intentionally being over-specific with my examples, so thank you for additionally capturing more general example groups to demonstrate the...Oh I definitely agree with you on all points. I was intentionally being over-specific with my examples, so thank you for additionally capturing more general example groups to demonstrate the problem from other angles.
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ShamedSalmon Link ParentI think you may be missing the fact that you are responding to a Tildes user who is voicing their preference that Tildes not be used to preach at them from "those" groups in addition to "any type...Will folks feel as kindly to preaching when it isn't the umbrella faith they share, even if a different denomination[?]
I feel like Tildes users would be more accepting of those than any type of Christianity, to be honest.
I think you may be missing the fact that you are responding to a Tildes user who is voicing their preference that Tildes not be used to preach at them from "those" groups in addition to "any type of Christianity".
To restate for clarity, while you may feel like Tildes users would be more accepting of being preached at from members of Islam, Asatru, Hinduism, and Wicca, a real-life Tildes user is telling you that they would not be, which is an actual, demonstrated counter to your assumption. On the other hand, in addition to you, the person who started this comment chain would also like to see Christian preaching on Tildes, which (in lieu of any other input from them) appears to further counter such an assumption.
Based on this, the implied train of thought that Tildes users might be more accepting of preaching from those other religions and therefore Christian preaching should be permissible, is problematic given that no one yet has demonstrated such a preference for other groups over Christianity.
It is also actually not clear what kinds of preaching would pass the "asshole test." For example, one could preach that 'even a ten-year-old girl who commits infanticide through abortion is still loved by our god and will be forgiven if she confesses her sin.' Such a statement could be found to be fabulously
offensiveassholish. It is possible that you too might find such a statement to not be as soft as you envisioned above. However, a more conservative preacher may argue that such a statement is not intended as ill-willed "being in people's faces", but was intended to underline their god's love and forgiveness for all.Yet, people do take issue with being called sinners for making deep, personal, life-changing decisions such as abortion. For you and everyone else reading this, is the filter system really enough to keep preaching that could be interpreted as slanderous of other members within the realm of civility on Tildes?
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ShamedSalmon (edited )Link ParentOh interesting! When you allude that the KJV is the only true version of the bible, are you implying that the 1611 Jacobean-style Early-Modern English is most holy and authoritative, or the later...- Exemplary
Oh interesting! When you allude that the KJV is the only true version of the bible, are you implying that the 1611 Jacobean-style Early-Modern English is most holy and authoritative, or the later post-vowel shifted Modern English of the 1769 edition that people use (and call the 1611) to this very day? What is the doctrinal basis for either edition's authority over the other? I have never received a good answer regarding this...
What makes the KJV more authoritative, in your eyes, than the Textus Receptus (of which the KJV is based) or any of the other Greek texts?
EDIT: Elsewhere, you also say, "I think some of the early texts were wrongfully excluded; apparently there some more women-positive texts out around the early first century." However, those texts are not in the KJV. How do you reconcile your belief that they were wrongly excluded from the canon with your belief that anything outside of the canon and format of the KJV is not authoritative?
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ShamedSalmon Link ParentIs the requirement of asking not a condition of receiving that love? For it to be unconditional, should it not be offered regardless of whether one asks? Regardless, you seem to be...I'm speaking here of unconditional, affirmative love... All you have to do for Christ's love is ask.
Is the requirement of asking not a condition of receiving that love? For it to be unconditional, should it not be offered regardless of whether one asks?
Regardless, you seem to be misunderstanding Buddhism as being a redemptionist religion in the same vein as your Christian denomination, when it is not.
One thing I am not so clear on: many people who live in the West are Buddhists. When you say "I'm not 100% that if we [the West] fully understood it, we'd agree with it," what group do you place Western Buddhists in? Are they either not considered Western in this case, or perhaps not authentically Buddhist?
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ShamedSalmon (edited )Link ParentJust some food for thought, if this is going to be normalized on the site: in the event that a Protestant, Conservative, KJV-only Biblical-Literalist or a Catholic, Conservative, Latin-Rite...Just some food for thought, if this is going to be normalized on the site: in the event that a Protestant, Conservative, KJV-only Biblical-Literalist or a Catholic, Conservative, Latin-Rite Dominionist take to Tildes to likewise preach their own views, what criteria should the mods use to determine what is or is not appropriate for the site? How should it be handled in a way that is fair to all parties, religious and non, without alienating anyone? What doctrinal criteria would be considered on or off limits while still treating the various faiths of different preachers fairly? For example, anti-abortion is a critical part of the two aforementioned groups' social doctrines; should this be allowed to be preached? Is requiring others to filter it out a reasonable expectation on behalf of Tildes and it's mods?
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Comment on What does the delete button on a post do? in ~tildes
ShamedSalmon Link ParentLike it or not, folks, this is the correct answer. In fact, if I were to go to google and search for the keywords "tildes.net" and my own username, then narrow the search results to a timeframe...Like it or not, folks, this is the correct answer. In fact, if I were to go to google and search for the keywords "tildes.net" and my own username, then narrow the search results to a timeframe that includes when I deleted a post, that post will show up in the results.
(As an aside, it also goes to show you that Google's indexer still "works," they just continue to thwart the results in many other ways to keep the investors happy.)
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Comment on What is the best modern-ish OS to install on older computers? (Parameters within) in ~comp
ShamedSalmon Link ParentOP, if you wind up being stuck on an older OS but wish to follow the network advice above, you might consider setting up a proxy machine to handle rendering web pages and serving them to your...OP, if you wind up being stuck on an older OS but wish to follow the network advice above, you might consider setting up a proxy machine to handle rendering web pages and serving them to your retro clients. Two worth looking at:
The former serves up pages as a static image with a clickable overlay, making it compatible with Mosaic and onwards. The latter builds on this by running a Javascript component on the client to allow for things like text input, but this comes at the cost of needing a more powerful vintage machine and late-90s browser.
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Comment on What have you spent "too much time" trying to fix or streamline? in ~talk
ShamedSalmon Link ParentThat would be the very one! It also builds for x86_64 pretty well, if you don't mind giving up support for mods that have their own client/server libs, but this has always been the dilemma with...That would be the very one! It also builds for x86_64 pretty well, if you don't mind giving up support for mods that have their own client/server libs, but this has always been the dilemma with such engines.
While it only builds for Intel, you may also be interested in the Far Cry linux port.
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What's Around the Tree, by Louise Belcher
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What Christmas Was Like, as told by the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future. (NSFW)
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