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Laura Ingalls Wilder’s name stripped from children’s book award over ‘Little House’ depictions of Native Americans

I am shamelessly stealing this from the front page of /r/Books, where it has been locked due to shallow and uncivil discussion. I assume we can do better here.

"Laura Ingalls Wilder’s name stripped from children’s book award over ‘Little House’ depictions of Native Americans"

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  1. [11]
    eladnarra
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    I think the fact that it was a different time kind of misses the point. The ALSC decided that things depicted in her books are not consistent with their values, and thus they've removed her name...

    I think the fact that it was a different time kind of misses the point. The ALSC decided that things depicted in her books are not consistent with their values, and thus they've removed her name from an award still being given in the 21st century. They aren't saying the books should be taken from the shelves or never read in schools, where they could be used as a starting point for discussions about racism in the past and in the present. From the award's "About" page:

    ALSC works to promote excellence in literature for children that aligns with our core values of inclusiveness, integrity and respect, and responsiveness, as well as to our strategic plan. While we are committed to preserving access to Wilder’s work for readers, we must also consider if her legacy today does justice to this particular award for lifetime achievement, given by an organization committed to all children.

    9 votes
    1. [10]
      Algernon_Asimov
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      "We used to think Laura Ingalls Wilder was a good children's author - so good we named an award after her. However, even though her writing hasn't change one whit, we've now decided she's no...

      "We used to think Laura Ingalls Wilder was a good children's author - so good we named an award after her. However, even though her writing hasn't change one whit, we've now decided she's no longer a good children's author."

      Beware, authors of today! You may be praised for your literary genius now but, in a hundred years' time, when people know better and realise that poisoning the planet is immoral, all your books which contain scenes of people driving cars or flying planes will be condemned and any praise you might earn now will be reclaimed.

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        burkaman
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        Her writing hasn't changed, but we have. It's ok to change your opinions and reevaluate your role models.

        Her writing hasn't changed, but we have. It's ok to change your opinions and reevaluate your role models.

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        1. BuckeyeSundae
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          I see this as pretty damn similar to Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn. The writing didn't change, but we as a people decided that calling people niggers was kind of bad form that we maybe shouldn't...

          I see this as pretty damn similar to Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn. The writing didn't change, but we as a people decided that calling people niggers was kind of bad form that we maybe shouldn't be putting in front of our kids, especially if they have ancestors that would have been the people that would have been called niggers by the characters in the story.

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      2. [6]
        eladnarra
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        But it's not like they have revoked her award. Nor have they judged her to be a "bad" author. The Task Force Recommendation clearly states that they recognize her books still hold significant...

        But it's not like they have revoked her award. Nor have they judged her to be a "bad" author. The Task Force Recommendation clearly states that they recognize her books still hold significant meaning and importance for people.

        To be honest, it feels like you've taken the least charitable reading of their actions, and it doesn't give me much to reply to. I thought we were trying to get away from shallow and uncivil discussion, not sarcastically mock things.

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        1. [5]
          Algernon_Asimov
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          But she herself is no longer worthy of having an award named after her. Somehow she became an unworthy writer even though her writings didn't change. It all comes down to something that historians...

          they recognize her books still hold significant meaning and importance for people.

          But she herself is no longer worthy of having an award named after her. Somehow she became an unworthy writer even though her writings didn't change.

          It all comes down to something that historians call "presentism": the fallacy of judging historical cultures by the moral standards of our own culture, rather than by the morals of their own times.

          It's not like the 'Little House' books are a racist polemic, inciting all white Americans to kill the pernicious Indians. They're merely a portrayal of the people and the times as they were. If we're going to punish an author for portraying their own life, we might as well just tell everyone to stop writing.

          it feels like you've taken the least charitable reading of their actions

          I honestly don't think there is a good interpretation of what they've done.

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            eladnarra
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            @burkaman put this better and more succinctly than I did, but while it's true that her writings didn't change, the ALSC did. They haven't made an overarching judgement of her or her writings as a...

            But she herself is no longer worthy of having an award named after her. Somehow she became an unworthy writer even though her writings didn't change.

            @burkaman put this better and more succinctly than I did, but while it's true that her writings didn't change, the ALSC did. They haven't made an overarching judgement of her or her writings as a whole, only as things pertain to their award. Some kids are hurt by Wilder's books because they have passages that dehumanize people like them. Whether or not the kids are engaging in a historical fallacy when they feel hurt by phrases like "they only good Indian is a dead Indian" isn't particularly relevant in the end. The ALSC has decided that, to be consistent with their commitment to all children, they don't want an award that some kids will associate with that, especially since a seal on a book leaves no room for proper context.

            I honestly don't think there is a good interpretation of what they've done.

            Okay. To be honest, if your first reply had been more like your second one, it would have felt less antagonistic to me and I probably wouldn't have included my final paragraph. It's fine if you don't (or can't) see it from their point of view. Sans sarcastic mocking I'd still have disagreed, but it would have felt like it left more room for discussion.

            I'd still encourage you to read their full rationale (I've quoted below for people on mobile because it's a PDF). After reading a post with your thoughts stately clearly I don't think it will have an impact on your opinion, but personally I find it interesting.


            [...] we acknowledge that Wilder’s books not only hold a significant place in the history of children’s literature and continue to be read today, but that they have been and continue to be deeply meaningful to many readers on a personal level. We also acknowledge that they have been deeply painful to many readers, and have been across decades alongside their popularity. Both of these things are true. Neither the option to rename the award nor the option to sunset the award and establish a new award demands that anyone change their personal relationship with or feelings about Wilder’s books.

            Additionally, changing the name of the award, or ending the award and establishing a new award, does not prohibit access to Wilder’s works or suppress discussion about them. Neither option asks or demands that anyone stop reading Wilder’s books, talking about them, or making them available to children. These recommendations do not amount to censorship, nor do they undermine intellectual freedom.

            We also acknowledge that Wilder’s books are a product of her life, experience and perspective as an individual White woman of her era. Her works reflect mainstream, although certainly not universal, cultural attitudes toward Indigenous people and people of color during the times in which she lived and during the era in which the award was established. Many who took our survey and argued against changing the name acknowledged the racism in such attitudes. Some, in recognizing that Wilder’s books have painful racist content, point to the value of her books—and by extension an award in her name—in providing a teachable moment to discuss history, racism and stereotypes with children. This presumes that every association with or reference to the award could be attached to a context, to these “teachable moments.” But the primary visibility of this and other ALSC awards is through the name and seal, which are often seen or referenced without greater context. There are not opportunities for curriculum or caveats or justifications or explanations attached to every mention or appearance of the Wilder Award, while the desire to provide teachable moments underscores the very concern that ALSC is seeking to address in asking us to “propose what, if any, changes should be made to address the inconsistency between Wilder’s legacy and ALSC’s core values.”

            Additionally, while we agree that adults should think critically about Wilder’s books and the discussions that can take place with children around them, the purpose of the award is not to highlight or illuminate her works specifically (beyond the honor she received when the award was established), or to generate that critical discussion. Yet perceptions matter, along with the very real pain associated with her works for some, and year after year ALSC gives the impression of upholding Wilder’s works through an award that bears her name.

            We understand that some desire this process be slowed down. If our research and the input and feedback we received made us think more information was needed, or made us uncertain of a path forward, then we, too, would recommend taking more time. Although there may be value in allowing people to adjust to the idea of this change, the truth is that it will inevitably be uncomfortable and upsetting to some no matter when it takes place, while slowing the process down would prolong a decision that, in the eyes of many, is already too long in coming.

            Finally, changing the name of the ALSC award for significant and lasting contribution to children’s literature has no reflection on past winners or their achievements, and does not negate the honor they’ve received or their accomplishments. At the same time, it ensures future winners of such an award will not feel the need to weigh the honor of the recognition against concerns about having their name attached to Wilder’s works, or to forgo the honor or recognition in order to distance themselves from Wilder’s works.

            5 votes
            1. [3]
              Algernon_Asimov
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              I'd already read that before I posted the article here. And, yet, here I am, still not agreeing with the ALSC. I don't like it when people use "It's political correctness gone mad!" as an argument...

              I'd already read that before I posted the article here. And, yet, here I am, still not agreeing with the ALSC.

              I don't like it when people use "It's political correctness gone mad!" as an argument for dismissing something they don't like, but I find it very difficult to think of this decision as anything but political correctness gone mad.

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                eladnarra
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                Well, I didn't know you'd already read it, but as I said... I didn't expect it would change your opinion. Maybe someone else will find it interesting.

                Well, I didn't know you'd already read it, but as I said... I didn't expect it would change your opinion. Maybe someone else will find it interesting.

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      3. Whom
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        Yeah, our standards for things change. Unless you believe there's some objective standard for quality in art (in which case even trying to have a conversation would be worthless), at least part of...

        even though her writing hasn't change one whit, we've now decided she's no longer a good children's author

        Yeah, our standards for things change. Unless you believe there's some objective standard for quality in art (in which case even trying to have a conversation would be worthless), at least part of the process for assessing art comes from the one doing the assessment.

        Making this same argument without the political baggage makes it much more obvious. If I read a piece of science fiction at the time of its publication, I may love it because it's novel and the ideas it presents may expand what I thought possible. But if I read it a century later, it may just look silly. Maybe I watch an old movie with special effects that impressed audiences of the time but now I'm left not enjoying the parts that lean on those special effects because I'm used to much better. This could naturally also expand into Seinfeld being unfunny and all that.

        Time changes how we perceive old art. And this isn't one of those dicey situations where we're judging people / art within their own time and compared to others at that time. An award carrying a name is about celebrating someone right now, and it's perfectly reasonable to be like "nah, actually let's not celebrate this artist anymore" because your thoughts of the matter have changed.

        Of course, we wouldn't rename an award because a special effects person's work in the 50s doesn't hold up anymore. That's the point where you add back in the political baggage and debate it from there. I'm not gonna argue that, though. I haven't even read the book so I don't know if this is supposed to be from the perspective of a clearly racist character or something. Just trying to say that it's totally fine to re-evaluate old art and the only time anyone has a problem with it is when it's to call out something racist or sexist or whatever.

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  2. meristele
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    Hm. I think it's tacky that they changed the name. However it is their award, and if they want to call it the Marvin the Martian Earth Shattering Kaboom award, they can do so. I don't have to...

    Hm. I think it's tacky that they changed the name. However it is their award, and if they want to call it the Marvin the Martian Earth Shattering Kaboom award, they can do so. I don't have to support or acknowledge it.

    I am glad that they are being up front about it. They're giving their nods to what's important to them.

    5 votes
  3. [3]
    acr
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    What!!!!!!!! No, they shouldn't strip her name. It was a different time and language / what was proper to say and not say was different.. This makes me a little sick. This is just too extreme. her...

    What!!!!!!!! No, they shouldn't strip her name. It was a different time and language / what was proper to say and not say was different.. This makes me a little sick. This is just too extreme. her books were historic. I mean if she wrote them yesterday it would be entirely different. People just want to have a problem with stuff. They just ignore these were written so long ago when the world was different. Look at Huck Finn. It's all the same.

    Edit: Article is behind a paywall. Will try it in Incognito. -- Yeah, works in Incognito.

    there were no people. Only Indians lived there

    They are saying it implied Indians weren't people. This was written from the perspective of a child.. That statement didn't mean to imply Indians weren't people. They really aren't taking into account it came from the perception Laura had as a little girl?..

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    I misread it. It does imply they werent people but it's purpose was to portray what things were like then. That is important and harping on it is a dangerous road.

    3 votes
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      Algernon_Asimov
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      Yes, it was meant to imply that. This line was written from the perspective of the child's father. But he was a product of his times, and in those times, Native Americans didn't count. And, that's...

      This was written from the perspective of a child. That statement didn't mean to imply Indians weren't people.

      Yes, it was meant to imply that. This line was written from the perspective of the child's father. But he was a product of his times, and in those times, Native Americans didn't count.

      And, that's the point: the characters in these books were a product of their times. We can't whitewash history by pretending that people weren't racist in the olden days; they were racist.

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      1. acr
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        I mean Laura was a child when her dad said it. So she is recalling from he child perception of it. I don't think he meant anything terrible. Just a product of his times. It was the common mentality.

        I mean Laura was a child when her dad said it. So she is recalling from he child perception of it. I don't think he meant anything terrible. Just a product of his times. It was the common mentality.

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  4. VivalaNM
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    I read and cherished this entire series as a little girl and I do not remember any negativity towards Native Americans in the books? I was raised in a household where treating everyone equally was...

    I read and cherished this entire series as a little girl and I do not remember any negativity towards Native Americans in the books? I was raised in a household where treating everyone equally was taught. In fact, my parents were teachers on a Navajo reservation, I just can’t believe I missed that. I wonder if I did and asked my parents about it...I’m 45, so that was a long fricking time ago.

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          1. Deimos
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            Yeah, it was a bad comment. I removed it and the other replies here, since having an argument about exactly how bad it was won't be a very useful conversation either.

            Yeah, it was a bad comment. I removed it and the other replies here, since having an argument about exactly how bad it was won't be a very useful conversation either.

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