I hope videos like this raise awareness for how wasteful disposable vapes are. Some vapes are super over the top with little screens and LEDs that play animations when you hit the vape, which is...
I hope videos like this raise awareness for how wasteful disposable vapes are. Some vapes are super over the top with little screens and LEDs that play animations when you hit the vape, which is just stupid and even more wasteful. I quit vaping about a month ago (although really I just shuffled the nicotine addiction to another intake method), but for about a year there I was exclusively using the disposables. And I never felt right about the e-waste. I did try to offset it a bit by harvesting batteries and doing little electronics projects with them (only thing that ever really worked was a sketchy-looking phone power bank).
I despise disposable vapes for this reason. What problem are they solving? Regular vapes are wasteful enough. I emailed one of the companies once and asked (rhetorically) how I could recycle it...
I despise disposable vapes for this reason. What problem are they solving? Regular vapes are wasteful enough.
I emailed one of the companies once and asked (rhetorically) how I could recycle it when it was used up. I remember being particularly annoyed by the phrasing of their response: "Unfortunately, they can't be recycled at this time."
"Unfortunately" sounds so much like an unavailable situation, as opposed to being exactly how the product was designed and brought to market. As if the designers didn't have this exact conversation during development, and said "meh, let's just throw them away and make money".
It’s to take advantage of an oversight in US regulatory law passed to curb Juul. The US does not consider disposable vapes to be “flavored e-cigarettes” because they are disposable. Essentially,...
It’s to take advantage of an oversight in US regulatory law passed to curb Juul. The US does not consider disposable vapes to be “flavored e-cigarettes” because they are disposable.
Essentially, the FDA has a narrow regulation that targeted Juul in its heyday. To get around these, new manufacturers create arbitrary differentiators from Juul such that they won’t be considered in the narrow regulation. Being disposable is one of them.
What prevented you to use rechargeable vape? Price? (question asked with genuine curiosity and without ill intent ; I never smoked and think vapes are less bad than cigarette ; my brother in law...
What prevented you to use rechargeable vape? Price?
(question asked with genuine curiosity and without ill intent ; I never smoked and think vapes are less bad than cigarette ; my brother in law does vape, but with a rechargeable one)
Disposable vapes are actually significantly more expensive over the long term than buying a rechargeable vape, batteries, replacement coils, and eliquid separately. So even as someone who vapes, I...
Disposable vapes are actually significantly more expensive over the long term than buying a rechargeable vape, batteries, replacement coils, and eliquid separately. So even as someone who vapes, I genuinely don't understand the appeal of the disposables.
The only major difference between them is the upfront cost of the rechargeable ones is slightly higher, and they require a bit of maintenance (cleaning the tank, replacing the coil every few months, etc). But they pay for themselves pretty quickly compared to the disposable ones because of how long they last for, and how much cheaper eliquid is on its own. All the vapes that I've owned have lasted ~3-4 years for the vape body itself before they broke (usually as a result of me dropping it by accident, TBH, not because of a component failure during regular use), and the batteries have typically lasted ~1-2 years before I've had to replace them too.
I've never had nicotine, but I do like THC. For other cannabis enjoyers I would recommend getting a dry herb vape. I use a Pax mini, which had been on sale for $65 but it looks like that's been...
I've never had nicotine, but I do like THC. For other cannabis enjoyers I would recommend getting a dry herb vape. I use a Pax mini, which had been on sale for $65 but it looks like that's been discontinued for the Mini 2 which is $150. For something that's probably not going to get used as much as a nicotine vape the battery is less of a concern.
The main benefit over oil vapes is that there is less to worry about with what you're putting into your body. I should acknowledge that vaping is inherently unhealthy. But when journalists investigate the supply chain of vape oil they often find holes in the records. An oil will turn up with pesticides or heavy metals. The brand on the cartridge will say they get a base oil from a supplier but the details have been lost. You could still have something wrong with your cannabis flower but it's a much smaller operation. So you could just grow it yourself and then vape it. Or you could know a grower that you can trust. The supply chain isn't as intensely industrial.
It's pretty easy in California to have a friend that needs to get rid of extra cannabis they grew. It grows like a weed and even the personal use limit on plants is such that with proper growing conditions you'll quickly end up with way more weed than you know what to do with. And it's all organic.
I think it's worth pointing out that likely only applies to the US. Here in Canada, regular testing of marijuana products by independent Health Canada-licensed laboratories is a regulatory...
But when journalists investigate the supply chain of vape oil they often find holes in the records. An oil will turn up with pesticides or heavy metals.
I think it's worth pointing out that likely only applies to the US. Here in Canada, regular testing of marijuana products by independent Health Canada-licensed laboratories is a regulatory requirement for manufacturers to be able to sell their products here. The labs test for pesticide and heavy metal levels, amongst other things. And Health Canada also conducts regular and unannounced inspections of growing/manufacturing facilities to collect samples for their own testing too.
California tests for pesticides as well, but they use a blacklist system instead of a whitelist. So growers end up using more and more exotic pesticides that labs don't yet test for.
California tests for pesticides as well, but they use a blacklist system instead of a whitelist. So growers end up using more and more exotic pesticides that labs don't yet test for.
I tried the Pax Mini a couple years ago and bounced off vaping because I found the vapor too hot and it made me cough constantly. Recently I dipped back in to dry herb vapes with the POTV Lobo and...
I tried the Pax Mini a couple years ago and bounced off vaping because I found the vapor too hot and it made me cough constantly.
Recently I dipped back in to dry herb vapes with the POTV Lobo and a bubbler. I've found it to be a preferable experience. The water cools the vapor making it much more pleasant to inhale. It was a little pricey next to the Pax Mini, but now that I can buy flower instead of 510 cartridges it's already saving me a lot of money.
I bring this up in case anyone else has/had the same first time experience I did. In my state, it's technically not legal to use your medicinal cannabis with any kind of water piece, so the people at my dispensary didn't talk about this aspect of vaping and don't carry anything to support it.
When I prod my family about so-called disposables, they say they aren't satisfied with the liquids they can get off the shelf and consider the flavored ones in disposables the best. Which sounds...
When I prod my family about so-called disposables, they say they aren't satisfied with the liquids they can get off the shelf and consider the flavored ones in disposables the best. Which sounds absurd, I imagine you can replicate any which flavor. But I don't use them so I guess I can't say for certain.
I think the device maintenance makes them disinterested/intimidated in a more expensive device.
And I think there's an element of Vimes' Boots Economics at play here for some folk, i.e. paying more over time by getting the cheap thing repeatedly bc the cheaper thing is all you can afford.
I can't speak to that aspect, since I've never bought a disposable before. But it strikes me as a pretty flimsy excuse too, since you can get some pretty damn tasty and strongly flavored...
When I prod my family about so-called disposables, they say they aren't satisfied with the liquids they can get off the shelf and consider the flavored ones in disposables the best. Which sounds absurd, I imagine you can replicate any which flavor. But I don't use them so I guess I can't say for certain.
I can't speak to that aspect, since I've never bought a disposable before. But it strikes me as a pretty flimsy excuse too, since you can get some pretty damn tasty and strongly flavored e-liquids, there are waaaaaay more e-liquid flavor options available (especially online), and you can even mix/combine your own if you're that particular. E.g. I love dragonfruit flavored e-liquid, but I still occasionally mix it with various other fruity flavors whenever I get bored of the dragonfruit alone.
I think the device maintenance makes them disinterested/intimidated in a more expensive device.
The maintenance is so frigging minor that that is also a pretty lame excuse, IMO. It takes me, at most, 20 minutes a month to replace my coil and clean my vape + tank.
paying more over time by getting the cheap thing repeatedly bc the cheaper thing is all you can afford
If the price difference of a rechargeable was orders of magnitude more, I could understand that. But disposable vapes aren't exactly cheap to begin with, and rechargeable ones aren't bank account breakers. 3-4 disposable vapes later and the rechargeable would have been the cheaper option, and the rechargeable can last for hundreds of thousands of puffs more than a disposable.
Oh I agree with you whole heartedly, I find their excuses are flimsy and told them as much considering the environmental travesty they're contributing to, but that's what I could extract from...
Oh I agree with you whole heartedly, I find their excuses are flimsy and told them as much considering the environmental travesty they're contributing to, but that's what I could extract from users of those abominable devices.
I just got tired of dealing with different vape fluids, coils, batteries, etc. Not to mention the vape bros trying to upsell you on stuff at the "proper" vape shop I went to. I say "proper"...
I just got tired of dealing with different vape fluids, coils, batteries, etc. Not to mention the vape bros trying to upsell you on stuff at the "proper" vape shop I went to. I say "proper" because they exclusively sold refillable vapes, fluids, and accessories...then there are other shops that sell both, but lean heavier on the disposable side.
It became less of a headache to hop into the smaller shops, ask the stoned-out-of-his-mind college kid for a certain brand and flavor and go about my day. The disposables are substantially simpler... it's out...time to buy a new one. Versus...ah I need fluid...oh I need a new coil...ah my tank's stopper came loose need a new tank, etc. etc.
None of that is a good reason to contribute to e-waste so egregiously, but that was my reasoning.
vape companies wage war on e-liquid/rechargeable vapes, and push for local laws to ban them cigarette companies wage war on disposable vapes, and push for local laws to ban them soon we'll all be...
vape companies wage war on e-liquid/rechargeable vapes, and push for local laws to ban them
cigarette companies wage war on disposable vapes, and push for local laws to ban them
soon we'll all be back to cigarettes like phillip morris intended
I hope videos like this raise awareness for how wasteful disposable vapes are. Some vapes are super over the top with little screens and LEDs that play animations when you hit the vape, which is just stupid and even more wasteful. I quit vaping about a month ago (although really I just shuffled the nicotine addiction to another intake method), but for about a year there I was exclusively using the disposables. And I never felt right about the e-waste. I did try to offset it a bit by harvesting batteries and doing little electronics projects with them (only thing that ever really worked was a sketchy-looking phone power bank).
I despise disposable vapes for this reason. What problem are they solving? Regular vapes are wasteful enough.
I emailed one of the companies once and asked (rhetorically) how I could recycle it when it was used up. I remember being particularly annoyed by the phrasing of their response: "Unfortunately, they can't be recycled at this time."
"Unfortunately" sounds so much like an unavailable situation, as opposed to being exactly how the product was designed and brought to market. As if the designers didn't have this exact conversation during development, and said "meh, let's just throw them away and make money".
It’s to take advantage of an oversight in US regulatory law passed to curb Juul. The US does not consider disposable vapes to be “flavored e-cigarettes” because they are disposable.
Essentially, the FDA has a narrow regulation that targeted Juul in its heyday. To get around these, new manufacturers create arbitrary differentiators from Juul such that they won’t be considered in the narrow regulation. Being disposable is one of them.
What prevented you to use rechargeable vape? Price?
(question asked with genuine curiosity and without ill intent ; I never smoked and think vapes are less bad than cigarette ; my brother in law does vape, but with a rechargeable one)
Disposable vapes are actually significantly more expensive over the long term than buying a rechargeable vape, batteries, replacement coils, and eliquid separately. So even as someone who vapes, I genuinely don't understand the appeal of the disposables.
The only major difference between them is the upfront cost of the rechargeable ones is slightly higher, and they require a bit of maintenance (cleaning the tank, replacing the coil every few months, etc). But they pay for themselves pretty quickly compared to the disposable ones because of how long they last for, and how much cheaper eliquid is on its own. All the vapes that I've owned have lasted ~3-4 years for the vape body itself before they broke (usually as a result of me dropping it by accident, TBH, not because of a component failure during regular use), and the batteries have typically lasted ~1-2 years before I've had to replace them too.
I've never had nicotine, but I do like THC. For other cannabis enjoyers I would recommend getting a dry herb vape. I use a Pax mini, which had been on sale for $65 but it looks like that's been discontinued for the Mini 2 which is $150. For something that's probably not going to get used as much as a nicotine vape the battery is less of a concern.
The main benefit over oil vapes is that there is less to worry about with what you're putting into your body. I should acknowledge that vaping is inherently unhealthy. But when journalists investigate the supply chain of vape oil they often find holes in the records. An oil will turn up with pesticides or heavy metals. The brand on the cartridge will say they get a base oil from a supplier but the details have been lost. You could still have something wrong with your cannabis flower but it's a much smaller operation. So you could just grow it yourself and then vape it. Or you could know a grower that you can trust. The supply chain isn't as intensely industrial.
It's pretty easy in California to have a friend that needs to get rid of extra cannabis they grew. It grows like a weed and even the personal use limit on plants is such that with proper growing conditions you'll quickly end up with way more weed than you know what to do with. And it's all organic.
I think it's worth pointing out that likely only applies to the US. Here in Canada, regular testing of marijuana products by independent Health Canada-licensed laboratories is a regulatory requirement for manufacturers to be able to sell their products here. The labs test for pesticide and heavy metal levels, amongst other things. And Health Canada also conducts regular and unannounced inspections of growing/manufacturing facilities to collect samples for their own testing too.
California tests for pesticides as well, but they use a blacklist system instead of a whitelist. So growers end up using more and more exotic pesticides that labs don't yet test for.
Ah, yeah, thankfully Canada uses a whitelist approach. I wonder why California uses a blacklist instead? That seems to be just begging for trouble. :/
I tried the Pax Mini a couple years ago and bounced off vaping because I found the vapor too hot and it made me cough constantly.
Recently I dipped back in to dry herb vapes with the POTV Lobo and a bubbler. I've found it to be a preferable experience. The water cools the vapor making it much more pleasant to inhale. It was a little pricey next to the Pax Mini, but now that I can buy flower instead of 510 cartridges it's already saving me a lot of money.
I bring this up in case anyone else has/had the same first time experience I did. In my state, it's technically not legal to use your medicinal cannabis with any kind of water piece, so the people at my dispensary didn't talk about this aspect of vaping and don't carry anything to support it.
When I prod my family about so-called disposables, they say they aren't satisfied with the liquids they can get off the shelf and consider the flavored ones in disposables the best. Which sounds absurd, I imagine you can replicate any which flavor. But I don't use them so I guess I can't say for certain.
I think the device maintenance makes them disinterested/intimidated in a more expensive device.
And I think there's an element of Vimes' Boots Economics at play here for some folk, i.e. paying more over time by getting the cheap thing repeatedly bc the cheaper thing is all you can afford.
I can't speak to that aspect, since I've never bought a disposable before. But it strikes me as a pretty flimsy excuse too, since you can get some pretty damn tasty and strongly flavored e-liquids, there are waaaaaay more e-liquid flavor options available (especially online), and you can even mix/combine your own if you're that particular. E.g. I love dragonfruit flavored e-liquid, but I still occasionally mix it with various other fruity flavors whenever I get bored of the dragonfruit alone.
The maintenance is so frigging minor that that is also a pretty lame excuse, IMO. It takes me, at most, 20 minutes a month to replace my coil and clean my vape + tank.
If the price difference of a rechargeable was orders of magnitude more, I could understand that. But disposable vapes aren't exactly cheap to begin with, and rechargeable ones aren't bank account breakers. 3-4 disposable vapes later and the rechargeable would have been the cheaper option, and the rechargeable can last for hundreds of thousands of puffs more than a disposable.
Oh I agree with you whole heartedly, I find their excuses are flimsy and told them as much considering the environmental travesty they're contributing to, but that's what I could extract from users of those abominable devices.
I just got tired of dealing with different vape fluids, coils, batteries, etc. Not to mention the vape bros trying to upsell you on stuff at the "proper" vape shop I went to. I say "proper" because they exclusively sold refillable vapes, fluids, and accessories...then there are other shops that sell both, but lean heavier on the disposable side.
It became less of a headache to hop into the smaller shops, ask the stoned-out-of-his-mind college kid for a certain brand and flavor and go about my day. The disposables are substantially simpler... it's out...time to buy a new one. Versus...ah I need fluid...oh I need a new coil...ah my tank's stopper came loose need a new tank, etc. etc.
None of that is a good reason to contribute to e-waste so egregiously, but that was my reasoning.
vape companies wage war on e-liquid/rechargeable vapes, and push for local laws to ban them
cigarette companies wage war on disposable vapes, and push for local laws to ban them
soon we'll all be back to cigarettes like phillip morris intended