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Americans have been souring on dairy milk for decades. Here’s how farmers are trying to win us back

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  1. [7]
    Nmg
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    Whether talking about ethics, health, its limited market due to digestability, or efficiencies of production compared to alternatives, Bovine Breast Milk just does not have the market it used to....

    Whether talking about ethics, health, its limited market due to digestability, or efficiencies of production compared to alternatives, Bovine Breast Milk just does not have the market it used to. And even in its hayday, it was still propped up with programs like government cheese.

    To diary, I say, thank you for getting us this far, now it's time to step aside to superior alternatives.

    5 votes
    1. [6]
      krg
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      I don't drink much milk, but for the most part I've found that milk-alternatives are nutritionally worse than milk (for me). Mostly in the sense that they have negligible amounts of protein, and...

      I don't drink much milk, but for the most part I've found that milk-alternatives are nutritionally worse than milk (for me). Mostly in the sense that they have negligible amounts of protein, and those that are protein-fortified tend to be damn expensive. If I'm gonna drink milk (usually as a component of a bowl of cereal), it'll probably be skim milk. If I want to spend a little more, it'd Fairlife (more protein, less sugar).

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        Nmg
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        Well, this largely is unimportant. Protein is a historically over-considered nutrient in the field of nutrition. We need it, yes, but no one in the western world really ever has a "deficiency." If...

        Mostly in the sense that they have negligible amounts of protein,

        Well, this largely is unimportant. Protein is a historically over-considered nutrient in the field of nutrition. We need it, yes, but no one in the western world really ever has a "deficiency." If you look at the standard of what a human baby might need (i.e. human breast milk), you will see that it contains some of the lowest amounts of protein in the mammalian kingdom -- less than 1% protein by weight.

        Here is a nice summary video/transcript: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-great-protein-fiasco/

        They also cite peer-reviewed literature if you rather get your information straight from the source.

        7 votes
        1. krg
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          hence why "(for me)" qualification. I'd like to remain active and build muscle: https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/#summary3 (also citing pretty fresh peer-reviewed studies)

          hence why "(for me)" qualification. I'd like to remain active and build muscle: https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/#summary3 (also citing pretty fresh peer-reviewed studies)

          4 votes
      2. [3]
        TheMeerkat
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        If you don’t have a soy allergy, it’s the only complete plant protein, and it’s hard to get something better for you than unsweetened soymilk.

        If you don’t have a soy allergy, it’s the only complete plant protein, and it’s hard to get something better for you than unsweetened soymilk.

        3 votes
        1. Nmg
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          "complete protein" is somewhat of a myth. All plants have varying amounts of pretty much all amino acids, and you don't need to eat all essential amino acids at the same time for your body to be...

          "complete protein" is somewhat of a myth. All plants have varying amounts of pretty much all amino acids, and you don't need to eat all essential amino acids at the same time for your body to be able to use them.

          3 votes
        2. cfabbro
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          Quinoa is as well, and you can make quinoa milk at home quite easily. It's doesn't taste nearly as good as soy milk though IMO. Buckwheat is also a complete protein, but I haven't tried Buckwheat...

          it’s the only complete plant protein

          Quinoa is as well, and you can make quinoa milk at home quite easily. It's doesn't taste nearly as good as soy milk though IMO. Buckwheat is also a complete protein, but I haven't tried Buckwheat milk myself even though it exists. And there are also a bunch of other vegetarian/vegan single-source complete proteins as well, but that I haven't heard of anyone making milk from, e.g. Amaranth, Spirulina, Hemp & Chia seeds, etc.

          Also, Hi Kat! :) How are things?

          2 votes
  2. [2]
    vord
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    Eh, the health benefits of milk directly are a bit overblown. But milk and cream (and derivatives) are essential for good cheese and as ingredients for other foods. We always have milk and cream...

    Eh, the health benefits of milk directly are a bit overblown.

    But milk and cream (and derivatives) are essential for good cheese and as ingredients for other foods.

    We always have milk and cream in the house, but it's pretty much reserved for cereal, cookies, coffee, and recipes.

    3 votes
    1. Odysseus
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      That's what's difficult for me. I never drink milk and I prefer milk substitutes like oat milk with my cereal, but milk and cream are absolutely essential in my cooking, not to mention that...

      That's what's difficult for me. I never drink milk and I prefer milk substitutes like oat milk with my cereal, but milk and cream are absolutely essential in my cooking, not to mention that they've yet to make a readily available cheese substitute worth a damn.

      3 votes
  3. [3]
    krg
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    I'd like to see a breakdown of economic class and milk-buying habits.

    I'd like to see a breakdown of economic class and milk-buying habits.

    1. Nmg
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      Frankly, I am still upset about the ridiculousness of cow breast milk being cheaper than even soy milk, when we literally will feed a cow many pounds of soy to extract a single pound of milk...

      Frankly, I am still upset about the ridiculousness of cow breast milk being cheaper than even soy milk, when we literally will feed a cow many pounds of soy to extract a single pound of milk...

      11 votes
    2. jwong
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      I mostly buy cow's breasts milk, but only because it's the cheapest. Sometimes if I feel like having a "beverage", I'll get an alternative non-breast milk like almonds or oat, but that's the...

      I mostly buy cow's breasts milk, but only because it's the cheapest. Sometimes if I feel like having a "beverage", I'll get an alternative non-breast milk like almonds or oat, but that's the exception.

      I have family from over seas and they are shocked at the price of cow's breasts milk, so the two of them (60~ years old) will drink a gallon every few days.

      1 vote