This is not a Helldivers problem. This is a problem with people with stupid political/personal/social views playing Helldivers. It's a good game, it'll attract people from any creed. I don't think...
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This is not a Helldivers problem. This is a problem with people with stupid political/personal/social views playing Helldivers. It's a good game, it'll attract people from any creed. I don't think there's anything else to it.
The only thing that's on Arrowhead is their response to these folk, but they're not responsible for the skewed politics or the socially stunted upbringing of these people. Nor should they be held accountable for it.
Helldivers is the talk of the month, so this article latches onto the hype. The article talks about general toxicity within gaming with a [Current popular game] flavour. Really, just read and think about it: Is it any different than any other game?
When I actually play the game with random people it ends up just shooting some bugs or bots and pinging the map with the occasional voice chat saying where to go or to watch out. The worst of this is on Reddit and Discord as per usual.
I don't necessarily disagree, especially with the gaming space being the way it is right now, but I think that the interesting thing to me is the part of the article I've highlighted in a...
I don't necessarily disagree, especially with the gaming space being the way it is right now, but I think that the interesting thing to me is the part of the article I've highlighted in a different comment already. Helldivers's theme in general makes the article more interesting and the irony more palpable.
I don't necessarily agree with that. It's not media illiterate boogs, you'd make the mistake of thinking they're dumb and unassuming. People saying stupid stuff on the internet do it on purpose....
I don't necessarily agree with that. It's not media illiterate boogs, you'd make the mistake of thinking they're dumb and unassuming. People saying stupid stuff on the internet do it on purpose.
Though you are right. It does make the irony more palpable.
Eh, if you (general you, not you specifically) say stupid shit on purpose that's dumb (unironically but pretending you're saying it ironically), I'd be pretty quick to label you as dumb and...
Eh, if you (general you, not you specifically) say stupid shit on purpose that's dumb (unironically but pretending you're saying it ironically), I'd be pretty quick to label you as dumb and unassuming.
Haha, yes that's fair. Let me put it differently: You'd be (also royal you, both times) assuming they're not being malicious on purpose. But not everyone that's an asshole is dumb and labeling...
Haha, yes that's fair. Let me put it differently: You'd be (also royal you, both times) assuming they're not being malicious on purpose. But not everyone that's an asshole is dumb and labeling them as such means you dismiss that they're trying to do it on purpose. They're activists, not stupid.
I personally enjoy the game but this kinda highlights why I legitimately never play games with people I meet online. I don't really care how "positive" a game is, since I can't think of many game...
Issues that extend to the community as a whole, however, seem to grow more unwieldy by the day. “The thing about this game is that on the surface, it looks like a game for chuds,” user Rayni said over Discord. “Media illiterate boogaloo boys will take the advertising at face value not realizing they’re the ones being parodied, like people who unironically think Homelander is the hero of The Boys.”
I personally enjoy the game but this kinda highlights why I legitimately never play games with people I meet online. I don't really care how "positive" a game is, since I can't think of many game communities that don't go too far in toxicity one way or the other.
This feels like the "Alf Garnett defence". In the 1960s the uk BBC had a comedy sitcom featuring a character called Alf. He was remarkably racist, but it was okay said the BBC because he was also...
"not realizing they’re the ones being parodied"
This feels like the "Alf Garnett defence". In the 1960s the uk BBC had a comedy sitcom featuring a character called Alf. He was remarkably racist, but it was okay said the BBC because he was also a fool and he was the butt of the joke.
But then people started liking him. He became an anti-hero.
Or: bigots don't get irony. Every time I happen to have any metaphor misinterpreted, it later turns out the misinterpreter was a bigot; every time I'm interacting with a bigot, I later happen to...
tl;dr ironic racism is simply racism.
Or: bigots don't get irony.
Every time I happen to have any metaphor misinterpreted, it later turns out the misinterpreter was a bigot; every time I'm interacting with a bigot, I later happen to have any metaphor misinterpreted. It feels too perfect of a link to be explained just by dishonesty, especially when any potential reason for it didn't occur yet.
And it appears to be a very common experience. They get stuck on the face value or extract pretty much the logical opposite of the metaphor's meaning, as if guessing or even refusing to acknowledge the true meaning. Again seems too consistent to be explained by everyone else being bad at formulating metaphors.
It's like the brain circuits necessary to transform meaning from one situation to another (like to apply an analogy, or invert meaning in irony or sarcasm and apply that) are the same as ones necessary to put you in somebody's shoes. Transfer meaning between situations in a way.
Oh, how I would love to read a study on the correlation between the cognition of metaphor and empathy.
I've wanted to play the game, but I don't play with randoms online in games where they can freely communicate (ie type in a chat box or talk in voice). I've played games where there's set...
I've wanted to play the game, but I don't play with randoms online in games where they can freely communicate (ie type in a chat box or talk in voice). I've played games where there's set responses, like Splatoon where you get buttons for "booyah!" and "over here!" and even the contextual "ouch..." after getting splatted. It's pretty hard to be toxic in systems like that. The last time I picked up a game with chat, folks were throwing slurs and insults in my first match. Even games with supposedly good communities I've had issues, like Deep Rock Galactic, albeit most of my random match ups nobody said a word. Even if I'm not the recipient, it's hard to hear these slurs when they target people like me.
I hope Arrowhead stops silencing queer voices and figures out a way to tone down the toxicity of their community.
Some internet history for all yall yunguns: John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory Unreal Tournament 2004 was one of the first games with voice chat built in...I even bought the deluxe...
From my experience, it's not even anonymity that makes it happen, it's just the screen separation. The number of people I've seen posting abhorrent things online using their real names... (Also I...
From my experience, it's not even anonymity that makes it happen, it's just the screen separation. The number of people I've seen posting abhorrent things online using their real names...
(Also I couldn't even walk when that was posted, lol.)
For me I just don't play games with other people unless I know them IRL. Thankfully I have more than enough friends IRL that it's possible, and everyone I associate with is generally pretty good...
For me I just don't play games with other people unless I know them IRL. Thankfully I have more than enough friends IRL that it's possible, and everyone I associate with is generally pretty good at tamping down uninclusive language.
Even in Rocket League though you'll have the "What a Save!" spam and stuff like that though.
That's more or less been my solution too. My best friend is good at finding good folk though, we have found people worth spending time with online and keep them in our community. Sure, sticker...
That's more or less been my solution too. My best friend is good at finding good folk though, we have found people worth spending time with online and keep them in our community.
Sure, sticker spam still happens, but that is quite a minor nuisance compared to the vile filth some folks spew, and could be rather easily mitigated by devs implementing rate limiting.
This is anecdotal only but I’ve played a fair number of random matchmaking matches and no one ever used the voice chat. When they did communicate it was either via the quick menu to ping things on...
This is anecdotal only but I’ve played a fair number of random matchmaking matches and no one ever used the voice chat. When they did communicate it was either via the quick menu to ping things on the map or it was text chat and only focused on the gameplay. That being said I have heard that’s not everyone’s experience. If you want to play with a friendly group feel free to send me a DM. I’m not on all the time but I’d be happy to add you as an in-game friend!
I also do not like voice chat with randos. I just turned the voice chat volume all the way down. If I'm on voice I'm playing with friends in discord. At all but the hardest difficulties the only...
I also do not like voice chat with randos. I just turned the voice chat volume all the way down. If I'm on voice I'm playing with friends in discord.
At all but the hardest difficulties the only communication I've had between team mates was emotes and setting priority targets on the mini map.
It's really disappointing this is an issue in the game's community. Fortunately I haven't observed anything like this but I'm also not in any communities associated with this game. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised. The conservative mind doesn't understand satire.
I had a conversation with a friend about open voice comms recently and how I hate it. In the past, we've played a lot of Planetside 2 and Battlebit Remastered. And in the majority of my time in...
I had a conversation with a friend about open voice comms recently and how I hate it. In the past, we've played a lot of Planetside 2 and Battlebit Remastered. And in the majority of my time in both, I've turned muted open voice comms. Though I'll keep squad or platoon chat on, simply because intragroup communication is or can be important for cohesion and goal attainment, if I/we want to play the "objectives." And it's usually pretty "disciplined." If not, I'll leave. I've been playing Foxhole a little bit with him lately; that's the only game where I've kept open comms on, because it seems pretty crucial to gameplay and, so far, everyone I've encountered is responsible with it. They act like adults.
Anyway, I find open voice comms to be shit. Sure, maybe I miss a funny moment here and there from some rando. But most of the time, it's just stupidity or worse. For example, someone playing "Ram Ranch"; I've heard it a million times; it's not funny anymore. Or someone just screaming at the top of their lungs for no reason. At worst, it's someone being racist, sexist, shit-talking, or just being a huge dickhead, yelling at people for not playing "the right way." I don't find trolling like that funny or entertaining if I don't know the person. And it doesn't even have be directed at me. It's all just weird, annoying, and/or overly aggressive.
My friends in Teamspeak (yes, we're old school) of course banter with each other. And we troll each other. I've TKed them hundreds of time and vice versa. But I know them, and I know that it's all in good fun. We've known each other online for like 7+ yrs. We've met up in person many times. So that's fun, because we're all friends. We know where the lines are with each other. If someone gets too rowdy, we'll ask/tell them to tone it down, and they will.
Though I do agree with others, that people will find ways to troll and be assholes.
This is not a Helldivers problem. This is a problem with people with stupid political/personal/social views playing Helldivers. It's a good game, it'll attract people from any creed. I don't think there's anything else to it.
The only thing that's on Arrowhead is their response to these folk, but they're not responsible for the skewed politics or the socially stunted upbringing of these people. Nor should they be held accountable for it.
Helldivers is the talk of the month, so this article latches onto the hype. The article talks about general toxicity within gaming with a [Current popular game] flavour. Really, just read and think about it: Is it any different than any other game?
When I actually play the game with random people it ends up just shooting some bugs or bots and pinging the map with the occasional voice chat saying where to go or to watch out. The worst of this is on Reddit and Discord as per usual.
I don't necessarily disagree, especially with the gaming space being the way it is right now, but I think that the interesting thing to me is the part of the article I've highlighted in a different comment already. Helldivers's theme in general makes the article more interesting and the irony more palpable.
I don't necessarily agree with that. It's not media illiterate boogs, you'd make the mistake of thinking they're dumb and unassuming. People saying stupid stuff on the internet do it on purpose.
Though you are right. It does make the irony more palpable.
Edit: typo
Eh, if you (general you, not you specifically) say stupid shit on purpose that's dumb (unironically but pretending you're saying it ironically), I'd be pretty quick to label you as dumb and unassuming.
Haha, yes that's fair. Let me put it differently: You'd be (also royal you, both times) assuming they're not being malicious on purpose. But not everyone that's an asshole is dumb and labeling them as such means you dismiss that they're trying to do it on purpose. They're activists, not stupid.
I personally enjoy the game but this kinda highlights why I legitimately never play games with people I meet online. I don't really care how "positive" a game is, since I can't think of many game communities that don't go too far in toxicity one way or the other.
This feels like the "Alf Garnett defence". In the 1960s the uk BBC had a comedy sitcom featuring a character called Alf. He was remarkably racist, but it was okay said the BBC because he was also a fool and he was the butt of the joke.
But then people started liking him. He became an anti-hero.
The BBC did a bit of research and they found that the depiction of Alf's working class life was so good that audiences strongly identified with him, and they accepted his racism and sexism. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01439685.2013.847647
tl;dr ironic racism is simply racism.
Or: bigots don't get irony.
Every time I happen to have any metaphor misinterpreted, it later turns out the misinterpreter was a bigot; every time I'm interacting with a bigot, I later happen to have any metaphor misinterpreted. It feels too perfect of a link to be explained just by dishonesty, especially when any potential reason for it didn't occur yet.
And it appears to be a very common experience. They get stuck on the face value or extract pretty much the logical opposite of the metaphor's meaning, as if guessing or even refusing to acknowledge the true meaning. Again seems too consistent to be explained by everyone else being bad at formulating metaphors.
It's like the brain circuits necessary to transform meaning from one situation to another (like to apply an analogy, or invert meaning in irony or sarcasm and apply that) are the same as ones necessary to put you in somebody's shoes. Transfer meaning between situations in a way.
Oh, how I would love to read a study on the correlation between the cognition of metaphor and empathy.
I've wanted to play the game, but I don't play with randoms online in games where they can freely communicate (ie type in a chat box or talk in voice). I've played games where there's set responses, like Splatoon where you get buttons for "booyah!" and "over here!" and even the contextual "ouch..." after getting splatted. It's pretty hard to be toxic in systems like that. The last time I picked up a game with chat, folks were throwing slurs and insults in my first match. Even games with supposedly good communities I've had issues, like Deep Rock Galactic, albeit most of my random match ups nobody said a word. Even if I'm not the recipient, it's hard to hear these slurs when they target people like me.
I hope Arrowhead stops silencing queer voices and figures out a way to tone down the toxicity of their community.
Some internet history for all yall yunguns: John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory
Unreal Tournament 2004 was one of the first games with voice chat built in...I even bought the deluxe edition with the headset.
And so far, 20 years later, the theory still holds.
I wonder what the last 10 years of Penny Arcade are like.....
Edit: Also my god I wonder what percentage of Tildes couldn't read when that comic was posted. I'm betting at least
4030%.Edit 2: The graph from the 2020 Census shows my first guess was probably closer.
They grew out of being young shitheads, like many of us did. Check out their new stuff.
From my experience, it's not even anonymity that makes it happen, it's just the screen separation. The number of people I've seen posting abhorrent things online using their real names...
(Also I couldn't even walk when that was posted, lol.)
For me I just don't play games with other people unless I know them IRL. Thankfully I have more than enough friends IRL that it's possible, and everyone I associate with is generally pretty good at tamping down uninclusive language.
Even in Rocket League though you'll have the "What a Save!" spam and stuff like that though.
That's more or less been my solution too. My best friend is good at finding good folk though, we have found people worth spending time with online and keep them in our community.
Sure, sticker spam still happens, but that is quite a minor nuisance compared to the vile filth some folks spew, and could be rather easily mitigated by devs implementing rate limiting.
This is anecdotal only but I’ve played a fair number of random matchmaking matches and no one ever used the voice chat. When they did communicate it was either via the quick menu to ping things on the map or it was text chat and only focused on the gameplay. That being said I have heard that’s not everyone’s experience. If you want to play with a friendly group feel free to send me a DM. I’m not on all the time but I’d be happy to add you as an in-game friend!
Insert "booyah!" "booyah!" "booyah!" "over here!" "booyah!" spam
I also do not like voice chat with randos. I just turned the voice chat volume all the way down. If I'm on voice I'm playing with friends in discord.
At all but the hardest difficulties the only communication I've had between team mates was emotes and setting priority targets on the mini map.
It's really disappointing this is an issue in the game's community. Fortunately I haven't observed anything like this but I'm also not in any communities associated with this game. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised. The conservative mind doesn't understand satire.
I had a conversation with a friend about open voice comms recently and how I hate it. In the past, we've played a lot of Planetside 2 and Battlebit Remastered. And in the majority of my time in both, I've turned muted open voice comms. Though I'll keep squad or platoon chat on, simply because intragroup communication is or can be important for cohesion and goal attainment, if I/we want to play the "objectives." And it's usually pretty "disciplined." If not, I'll leave. I've been playing Foxhole a little bit with him lately; that's the only game where I've kept open comms on, because it seems pretty crucial to gameplay and, so far, everyone I've encountered is responsible with it. They act like adults.
Anyway, I find open voice comms to be shit. Sure, maybe I miss a funny moment here and there from some rando. But most of the time, it's just stupidity or worse. For example, someone playing "Ram Ranch"; I've heard it a million times; it's not funny anymore. Or someone just screaming at the top of their lungs for no reason. At worst, it's someone being racist, sexist, shit-talking, or just being a huge dickhead, yelling at people for not playing "the right way." I don't find trolling like that funny or entertaining if I don't know the person. And it doesn't even have be directed at me. It's all just weird, annoying, and/or overly aggressive.
My friends in Teamspeak (yes, we're old school) of course banter with each other. And we troll each other. I've TKed them hundreds of time and vice versa. But I know them, and I know that it's all in good fun. We've known each other online for like 7+ yrs. We've met up in person many times. So that's fun, because we're all friends. We know where the lines are with each other. If someone gets too rowdy, we'll ask/tell them to tone it down, and they will.
Though I do agree with others, that people will find ways to troll and be assholes.
I too love PS2 and Battlebit. Really wish PS3 or soemthing similar was on the horizon.