I know there are a few fans of Paradox games on here, specifically EU4, so figured this might be interesting to some of us (@cfabbro, @CptBluebear, @davek804). Honestly this release date is quite...
I know there are a few fans of Paradox games on here, specifically EU4, so figured this might be interesting to some of us (@cfabbro, @CptBluebear, @davek804). Honestly this release date is quite a bit earlier than I would have expected, which would have been some time in 2026.
For those who haven't played EU4, it's a grand strategy game with an absolutely insane amount of detail and mechanics. It can be overwhelming to new players because of that, and because of the vast amounts of DLC available, but those DLC are how the game has continued to be in active development for 13 years since it was first released in 2012. EU5 will be on a newer engine (similar to CK3 and Vic3) and seems like it will have even more mechanics now that they are modeling population numbers.
Here's hoping it's a smooth launch like CK3 rather than a troubled one like Vic3!
edit: wait I just realized I will be on vacation when this game comes out and will have to wait another week or two to play it, fuck.
I'm super excited for this, as EUIV is one of my most-played games of all time. Some of the changes, such as the ones surrounding dev and trade sound like a definite upgrade over IV. I am...
I'm super excited for this, as EUIV is one of my most-played games of all time. Some of the changes, such as the ones surrounding dev and trade sound like a definite upgrade over IV. I am experienced enough with PDX games at this point though to wait until the day 1 reviews though, especially given the pre-order bonus isn't anything to write home about.
Yeah, even given I own all major EU IV DLC, I'll wait for the reviews as well. I'm hopeful and appreciate the added economic depth, but quite unsure how the gameplay loop has changed with the new...
Yeah, even given I own all major EU IV DLC, I'll wait for the reviews as well.
I'm hopeful and appreciate the added economic depth, but quite unsure how the gameplay loop has changed with the new focus on pops, management of goods produced and so on. That just wasn't something EU IV needed you to pay much attention to.
I wish they focused even more on diplomacy, which is one of the biggest standouts of Europa Universalis in my opinion. As it is, I hope the International Organizations they showed will deepen that part of the game.
Agree on the diplomacy part. No other game has a deep and customizable of a diplomatic system as EU4, so I hope they expand on that in 5. And the trade system being more flexible as opposed to the...
Agree on the diplomacy part. No other game has a deep and customizable of a diplomatic system as EU4, so I hope they expand on that in 5. And the trade system being more flexible as opposed to the rigid nodes in 4 would be amazing.
As a player with more than 10,000 hours across Paradox games, I'll wait a few years for it to flesh out. They've lost a lot of goodwill lately with releases failing to get the sort of post-release...
As a player with more than 10,000 hours across Paradox games, I'll wait a few years for it to flesh out. They've lost a lot of goodwill lately with releases failing to get the sort of post-release support they used to do. Maybe it'll trump their other games eventually, but how much will I have to pay to get there? I think I'm kind of burnt out on paying again for them to work through the same basic concepts again.
I'm cautiously optimistic for EU5, but I expect it will need some time in the oven post-release. CK3 felt very bare-bones at release and needed a few years to catch up to CK2 -- I'd say they're...
I'm cautiously optimistic for EU5, but I expect it will need some time in the oven post-release.
CK3 felt very bare-bones at release and needed a few years to catch up to CK2 -- I'd say they're both about as good as the other now, but with different strengths (CK2's raw amount of content vs. CK3's mechanics). I never played Vic2 but I've heard similar things about Vic3, and Vic3 as a standalone game feels fairly empty of content still.
I suspect EU5 will be another CK3 situation - great bones for a game and great new mechanics, but lacking in content. I'm extremely excited for the new level of detail in pops and buildings and economic growth in general. Similarly, I'm dismayed that my favorite feature from EU4, mission trees, have so far been absent from any of the dev diaries and likely won't be in the game at release. Hopefully a mission tree-like system will come shortly after release. (HOI4 is my favorite Paradox game purely on the back of high quality modded focus trees)
All in all, EU5 looks like it'll be a really good game -- its just a question of when it will be good. I'm expecting early 2027 for EU5 to be good enough to put my next thousand hours of a Paradox game into, and until then I'll happily play EU4's Anbennar.
I forget if this was confirmed in a dev diary or something, but iirc they're moving towards the mission trees that were in Imperator, which were smaller trees that allowed you to pick from...
I forget if this was confirmed in a dev diary or something, but iirc they're moving towards the mission trees that were in Imperator, which were smaller trees that allowed you to pick from multiple other trees once completed.
I’m all for the Imperator-style trees, those felt a bit more role-playish to me. And yeah I’ll miss the abstraction of mana. I can appreciate the realism of modeling all pops like they do in Vic3,...
I’m all for the Imperator-style trees, those felt a bit more role-playish to me. And yeah I’ll miss the abstraction of mana. I can appreciate the realism of modeling all pops like they do in Vic3, but it’s gonna be weird after over a decade of mana, lol.
I'm a massive Paradox fanboy and will probably buy this. That being said I really don't like the UI / design of it visually. It looks like a mobile game. The text is difficult to read in many of...
I'm a massive Paradox fanboy and will probably buy this. That being said I really don't like the UI / design of it visually. It looks like a mobile game. The text is difficult to read in many of the screenshots. As a die-hard EU4 player I'd take enhanced performance over a new visual style every single time.
That style switch to with the soft look starting from HOI4 is bad yo. It conveys less information than the mostly flat but stylized EU4 plane. I've always found it hard to get into HOI4 because...
That style switch to with the soft look starting from HOI4 is bad yo. It conveys less information than the mostly flat but stylized EU4 plane.
I've always found it hard to get into HOI4 because the world looks confusing.
Similarly, EU5 has additional questionable graphical choices. The overly broad focus on the face of a mid looking ruler for one, but one my actual peeves is troop movement which is a bit difficult to explain.
In EU4, troops indicate direction by instantly moving to a border and then holding until travel time moves them over.
EU5 holds them in the center of the province, slow walks them, and then instantly moves them across the border.
Gameplay wise that feels slower but at a glance it also makes it more difficult to see where troops are moving to.
Unless it launches to good reviews I'll be holding off on this.
I'm also not keen on the UI design, especially the menu-boxes and the like. Though I do think the map in general looks much better, I would've preferred if they went even more in the direction of...
I'm also not keen on the UI design, especially the menu-boxes and the like.
Though I do think the map in general looks much better, I would've preferred if they went even more in the direction of Imperator here.
Then again, I despised CIV VI's cartoonish look and I got used to that just fine.
No arguments here. But I will say that I had similar reservations about CK3's and Vic3's art style and after a few hundred hours in each I've come to love them just the same. I'm the kind of...
As a die-hard EU4 player I'd take enhanced performance over a new visual style every single time.
No arguments here. But I will say that I had similar reservations about CK3's and Vic3's art style and after a few hundred hours in each I've come to love them just the same. I'm the kind of person that plays EU4 on low settings (and with the Fast Universalis mod) despite having a more-than-capable computer, just because I care way more about performance than looks. So I thought the more 3D and realistic art style of CK3 and Vic3 would throw me off, but got used to it pretty quick. Hoping it's the same with EU5!
Like I said. I'll buy it. I've bought pretty much every Paradox grand strategy game and haven't regretted them. Paradox games easily dominate my top 5 most played games on steam. By a significant...
Like I said. I'll buy it. I've bought pretty much every Paradox grand strategy game and haven't regretted them. Paradox games easily dominate my top 5 most played games on steam. By a significant amount even. Until they break that "trust" I'll keep buying.
Seeing the system requirements has made me realize that my old laptop will probably struggle to run this, and since my budget for gaming is near $0 I'll probably wait for a big sale to dive into...
Seeing the system requirements has made me realize that my old laptop will probably struggle to run this, and since my budget for gaming is near $0 I'll probably wait for a big sale to dive into EU4 and get into EU5 at some time in the future. Maybe another Humble Bundle will come along with all the DLC at some point, that's what got me to take the plunge into CK2.
I feel like the value of the last generation of Paradox games is immense once you've picked up the DLCs and get familiar with the game. I'm still wanting to eventually get the cosmetic DLCs for CK2, so I have more variety in the look of the game and to let the mods I want to play use the additional cosmetics.
Your old Laptop might certainly struggle, but I believe the actual requirements were also just poorly communicated. Hence, they recommended an Intel 14700K (which is insane), although Johan (the...
Your old Laptop might certainly struggle, but I believe the actual requirements were also just poorly communicated.
Hence, they recommended an Intel 14700K (which is insane), although Johan (the studio manager) stated in a later forum thread that he developed the game on some 11th gen Intel-CPU instead.
So I do have a sliver of hope for performance left.
As a casual EU4 player (maybe 300 hours over the years, although I've barely played it in the last few years), I'm excited to have a fresh start. I find it kind of overwhelming whenever I think...
As a casual EU4 player (maybe 300 hours over the years, although I've barely played it in the last few years), I'm excited to have a fresh start. I find it kind of overwhelming whenever I think about playing EU4 again. There just seem to be an infinite number of versions of the game with all the different DLCs, and I can't tell if I'm playing the "right" one.
The best version of EU4 is the one you have. In the beginning there were a few DLC that were considered pretty essential, but Paradox have mostly learned their lesson throughout the last decade...
The best version of EU4 is the one you have. In the beginning there were a few DLC that were considered pretty essential, but Paradox have mostly learned their lesson throughout the last decade and the DLC that comes out nowadays are more region-specific. They'll have a free update with major bug fixes and game changes, then some regional content and maybe a unique mechanic or two. So like the 3 proposed expansions in the EU5 roadmap are for Byzantium/Ottomans, Iberia/North Africa, and France/UK. But I agree, a fresh start is nice!
I always got overwhelmed by EU4 but latched onto Stellaris pretty well. I always think someday I'll give EU4 another fair shake. And now you're telling me they're releasing a new one!? I think...
I always got overwhelmed by EU4 but latched onto Stellaris pretty well. I always think someday I'll give EU4 another fair shake. And now you're telling me they're releasing a new one!? I think I'll still get a lot of mileage out of 4. ;)
Oh definitely. I'm the other way around, I love EU4 but tried Stellaris a couple times during some free weekends and felt overwhelmed. I think a weekend is not enough time to truly familiarize...
I think I'll still get a lot of mileage out of 4. ;)
Oh definitely. I'm the other way around, I love EU4 but tried Stellaris a couple times during some free weekends and felt overwhelmed. I think a weekend is not enough time to truly familiarize myself with it. I'm sure one day I'll pick it up for good, but maybe by then there'll be a Stellaris 2, lol.
I know there are a few fans of Paradox games on here, specifically EU4, so figured this might be interesting to some of us (@cfabbro, @CptBluebear, @davek804). Honestly this release date is quite a bit earlier than I would have expected, which would have been some time in 2026.
For those who haven't played EU4, it's a grand strategy game with an absolutely insane amount of detail and mechanics. It can be overwhelming to new players because of that, and because of the vast amounts of DLC available, but those DLC are how the game has continued to be in active development for 13 years since it was first released in 2012. EU5 will be on a newer engine (similar to CK3 and Vic3) and seems like it will have even more mechanics now that they are modeling population numbers.
Here's hoping it's a smooth launch like CK3 rather than a troubled one like Vic3!
edit: wait I just realized I will be on vacation when this game comes out and will have to wait another week or two to play it, fuck.
Lol look at this guy thinking he only needs a week!!
I'm super excited for this, as EUIV is one of my most-played games of all time. Some of the changes, such as the ones surrounding dev and trade sound like a definite upgrade over IV. I am experienced enough with PDX games at this point though to wait until the day 1 reviews though, especially given the pre-order bonus isn't anything to write home about.
Yeah, even given I own all major EU IV DLC, I'll wait for the reviews as well.
I'm hopeful and appreciate the added economic depth, but quite unsure how the gameplay loop has changed with the new focus on pops, management of goods produced and so on. That just wasn't something EU IV needed you to pay much attention to.
I wish they focused even more on diplomacy, which is one of the biggest standouts of Europa Universalis in my opinion. As it is, I hope the International Organizations they showed will deepen that part of the game.
Agree on the diplomacy part. No other game has a deep and customizable of a diplomatic system as EU4, so I hope they expand on that in 5. And the trade system being more flexible as opposed to the rigid nodes in 4 would be amazing.
As a player with more than 10,000 hours across Paradox games, I'll wait a few years for it to flesh out. They've lost a lot of goodwill lately with releases failing to get the sort of post-release support they used to do. Maybe it'll trump their other games eventually, but how much will I have to pay to get there? I think I'm kind of burnt out on paying again for them to work through the same basic concepts again.
I'm cautiously optimistic for EU5, but I expect it will need some time in the oven post-release.
CK3 felt very bare-bones at release and needed a few years to catch up to CK2 -- I'd say they're both about as good as the other now, but with different strengths (CK2's raw amount of content vs. CK3's mechanics). I never played Vic2 but I've heard similar things about Vic3, and Vic3 as a standalone game feels fairly empty of content still.
I suspect EU5 will be another CK3 situation - great bones for a game and great new mechanics, but lacking in content. I'm extremely excited for the new level of detail in pops and buildings and economic growth in general. Similarly, I'm dismayed that my favorite feature from EU4, mission trees, have so far been absent from any of the dev diaries and likely won't be in the game at release. Hopefully a mission tree-like system will come shortly after release. (HOI4 is my favorite Paradox game purely on the back of high quality modded focus trees)
All in all, EU5 looks like it'll be a really good game -- its just a question of when it will be good. I'm expecting early 2027 for EU5 to be good enough to put my next thousand hours of a Paradox game into, and until then I'll happily play EU4's Anbennar.
Also, I'm gonna miss mana :(
I forget if this was confirmed in a dev diary or something, but iirc they're moving towards the mission trees that were in Imperator, which were smaller trees that allowed you to pick from multiple other trees once completed.
I think @fefellama would agree :p
I’m all for the Imperator-style trees, those felt a bit more role-playish to me. And yeah I’ll miss the abstraction of mana. I can appreciate the realism of modeling all pops like they do in Vic3, but it’s gonna be weird after over a decade of mana, lol.
I'm a massive Paradox fanboy and will probably buy this. That being said I really don't like the UI / design of it visually. It looks like a mobile game. The text is difficult to read in many of the screenshots. As a die-hard EU4 player I'd take enhanced performance over a new visual style every single time.
That style switch to with the soft look starting from HOI4 is bad yo. It conveys less information than the mostly flat but stylized EU4 plane.
I've always found it hard to get into HOI4 because the world looks confusing.
Similarly, EU5 has additional questionable graphical choices. The overly broad focus on the face of a mid looking ruler for one, but one my actual peeves is troop movement which is a bit difficult to explain.
In EU4, troops indicate direction by instantly moving to a border and then holding until travel time moves them over.
EU5 holds them in the center of the province, slow walks them, and then instantly moves them across the border.
Gameplay wise that feels slower but at a glance it also makes it more difficult to see where troops are moving to.
Unless it launches to good reviews I'll be holding off on this.
I'm also not keen on the UI design, especially the menu-boxes and the like.
Though I do think the map in general looks much better, I would've preferred if they went even more in the direction of Imperator here.
Then again, I despised CIV VI's cartoonish look and I got used to that just fine.
No arguments here. But I will say that I had similar reservations about CK3's and Vic3's art style and after a few hundred hours in each I've come to love them just the same. I'm the kind of person that plays EU4 on low settings (and with the Fast Universalis mod) despite having a more-than-capable computer, just because I care way more about performance than looks. So I thought the more 3D and realistic art style of CK3 and Vic3 would throw me off, but got used to it pretty quick. Hoping it's the same with EU5!
Like I said. I'll buy it. I've bought pretty much every Paradox grand strategy game and haven't regretted them. Paradox games easily dominate my top 5 most played games on steam. By a significant amount even. Until they break that "trust" I'll keep buying.
Seeing the system requirements has made me realize that my old laptop will probably struggle to run this, and since my budget for gaming is near $0 I'll probably wait for a big sale to dive into EU4 and get into EU5 at some time in the future. Maybe another Humble Bundle will come along with all the DLC at some point, that's what got me to take the plunge into CK2.
I feel like the value of the last generation of Paradox games is immense once you've picked up the DLCs and get familiar with the game. I'm still wanting to eventually get the cosmetic DLCs for CK2, so I have more variety in the look of the game and to let the mods I want to play use the additional cosmetics.
Your old Laptop might certainly struggle, but I believe the actual requirements were also just poorly communicated.
Hence, they recommended an Intel 14700K (which is insane), although Johan (the studio manager) stated in a later forum thread that he developed the game on some 11th gen Intel-CPU instead.
So I do have a sliver of hope for performance left.
As a casual EU4 player (maybe 300 hours over the years, although I've barely played it in the last few years), I'm excited to have a fresh start. I find it kind of overwhelming whenever I think about playing EU4 again. There just seem to be an infinite number of versions of the game with all the different DLCs, and I can't tell if I'm playing the "right" one.
The best version of EU4 is the one you have. In the beginning there were a few DLC that were considered pretty essential, but Paradox have mostly learned their lesson throughout the last decade and the DLC that comes out nowadays are more region-specific. They'll have a free update with major bug fixes and game changes, then some regional content and maybe a unique mechanic or two. So like the 3 proposed expansions in the EU5 roadmap are for Byzantium/Ottomans, Iberia/North Africa, and France/UK. But I agree, a fresh start is nice!
I always got overwhelmed by EU4 but latched onto Stellaris pretty well. I always think someday I'll give EU4 another fair shake. And now you're telling me they're releasing a new one!? I think I'll still get a lot of mileage out of 4. ;)
Oh definitely. I'm the other way around, I love EU4 but tried Stellaris a couple times during some free weekends and felt overwhelmed. I think a weekend is not enough time to truly familiarize myself with it. I'm sure one day I'll pick it up for good, but maybe by then there'll be a Stellaris 2, lol.