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I have a massive gripe with reductive "politicization" of mental health

Before we start, no, I don't mean "bring politics into" mental health. Politics obviously covers mental health issues, practices, and institutions. However, I've come to realize a certain approach to mental health has taken root in discussions around mental health. This approach is based on the criticism of mental health from an ideological point. It centers on the idea that mental health is treated only as a chemical imbalance in the brain, and that sociopolitical conditions aren't considered. One of the most prominently figures cited for this is Mark Fisher.

“The current ruling ontology denies any possibility of a social causation of mental illness. The chemico-biologization of mental illness is of course strictly commensurate with its depoliticization. Considering mental illness an individual chemico-biological problem has enormous benefits for capitalism. First, it reinforces Capital’s drive towards atomistic individualization (you are sick because of your brain chemistry). Second, it provides an enormously lucrative market in which multinational pharmaceutical companies can peddle their pharmaceuticals (we can cure you with our SSRIs). It goes without saying that all mental illnesses are neurologically instantiated, but this says nothing about their causation. If it is true, for instance, that depression is constituted by low serotonin levels, what still needs to be explained is why particular individuals have low levels of serotonin. This requires a social and political explanation; and the task of repoliticizing mental illness is an urgent one if the left wants to challenge capitalist realism.”

― Mark Fisher, Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?, 2009

This, I think, is true to a degree. Denying the mental or physical results of certain policies benefits the rich. However, this criticism, whether intended by Fisher or not, is often used to reduce psychiatry and psychotherapy to mere, atomized, asocial, apolitical practices.

First of all, this hasn't been true in my case. Sure, I have my criticisms of the procedure and the practitioners, but I've talked about a variety of sociopolitical issues in therapy. I mean, how can you not talk about these issues? There are obviously social patterns in a population, and if they're not bad practitioners, the psychiatrists pick up on them. This doesn't mean that I talked about political theory in my therapy, but among numerous topics, I talked about things like the male gender role, the attached aggression and violence, the effects of emotional repression as a result of traditional roles. I know people who extensively talked in therapy about gender roles, queerphobia, and the associated problems.

Therapy helped me on political issues too. I used to be much more repressed, unable to express my disapproval, unable to handle any conflict. But with the help of psychiatry, I started expressing my opinions, including my disapproval, more and more. This included standing up for myself, and while there are many power structures I can't overcome as an individual, this change helped me better stand up for myself against people who have power over me. It also helps me feel not as much like a piece of shit when I can't, because learning to face my emotions helps me realize I have limits.

But, according to the Fisherian argument I've seen repeated countless times, this isn't what psychiatry does. It just treats you like an asocial animal, which is not true at all. If anything, psychiatry emphasizes, again and again, that humans are social animals, therefore, have social needs, and that not meeting those needs will lead to mental problems. Seriously. Search "humans are social creatures psychiatry" on whatever search engine you use and also on Google Scholar. You'll find, page after page, pop article and scientific article, talking about the importance of this.

The second thing I want to mention is that links between inequality and mental health are an important area of research. You can search for keywords like "socioeconomic status mental health" and "inequality mental health" on Google Scholar to see many articles written about this. You can alternatively replace "socioeconomic status" with "SES" and "mental health" with "mental illness" or a mental disorder of your choosing.

To add further support to my argument, let's look at the textbook "Psychology, Global Edition, 5th Edition" of Pearson, which is a very widely known publisher. It has an entire chapter dedicated to social psychology (Chapter 12). The chapter about psychological disorders, Chapter 14, has the following listed as one of its learning objectives (emphasis mine): "Compare and contrast behavioral, social cognitive, and biological explanations for depression and other disorders of mood."

Let's also look at WHO's mental disorders page (emphasis mine).

"At any one time, a diverse set of individual, family, community, and structural factors may combine to protect or undermine mental health. Although most people are resilient, people who are exposed to adverse circumstances – including poverty, violence, disability, and inequality – are at higher risk. Protective and risk factors include individual psychological and biological factors, such as emotional skills as well as genetics. Many of the risk and protective factors are influenced through changes in brain structure and/or function."

I think one of the other negative things about this argument is that, it denies the possibility that some people face mental illness not mainly as a result of social issues, but as a result of some biological unluck. I haven't checked it out specifically, but I think mental illnesses aren't necessarily mainly a result of social conditions or trauma. I can't claim this with certainty, but neither can the opposing side. However, my approach leaves a possibility open for people who may be experiencing exactly this. Therefore, without knowing, it doesn't claim that certain experiences can't exist.

Before I finish, I want to say that I don't deny the existence of bad practice. I've heard many stories of bad psychiatrists, and even if I hadn't, it would be unrealistic to think they wouldn't have such a problem, considering the problems in education and funding. However, my point is, it's not realistic to say psychiatry overlooks the social reasons for mental illnesses. There may be problems, but in no way they are a shared, distinctive feature of the field.

And last of all, this may be harsh but I think it needs saying, Mark Fisher fell victim to suicide. He's not exactly an epitome of healthy coping mechanisms, and his criticisms about mental health should be evaluated with that in mind. I often think intellectualization tends to come in the way of mental health for, well, intellectual people.

Edit: The last paragraph was poorly explained. I further elaborated here.

14 comments

  1. [2]
    r-tae
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    I think your ending paragraph is massively unfair and unnecessary. It reads to me like you're saying that we should read his work with more skepticism than usual, because he had a medical...

    I think your ending paragraph is massively unfair and unnecessary.

    And last of all, this may be harsh but I think it needs saying, Mark Fisher fell victim to suicide. He's not exactly an epitome of healthy coping mechanisms, and his criticisms about mental health should be evaluated with that in mind.

    It reads to me like you're saying that we should read his work with more skepticism than usual, because he had a medical condition. Whether his line of thinking is correct or not, I don't see how personal experience with what he's talking about should make him a less reliable writer/thinker.

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    1. daywalker
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      I thought it was necessary, but I explained it poorly. If I elaborate, I do think Fisher makes many good points. I quite liked and still like Capitalist Realism. However, I do think his remarks...

      I thought it was necessary, but I explained it poorly. If I elaborate, I do think Fisher makes many good points. I quite liked and still like Capitalist Realism. However, I do think his remarks about mental health should be taken with a grain of salt, because these are often not the thoughts of someone who was able to cope well with the mental problems he had.

      In no way I'm trying to say that said illness(es) were Fisher's fault. Also I'm not trying to say that he said nothing of use. But when you're in depression or suffering from an illness, too easily you see hopelessness and darkness in the world. Even if you are right about particular kinds of darkness, you tend to overfocus on them. You also come up with reasons for why therapy wouldn't work, or that psychiatrists don't know what they're doing, and that it's an utterly hopeless endeavor to trust psychiatry. Fisher's writings and the way his life ended suggest to me that he was thinking in similar ways.

      For example, he has an essay titled Anti-Therapy (can be read in K-punk: The Collected and Unpublished Writings of Mark Fisher). In this essay, he criticizes therapy immensely, and creates an argument that defends that therapy as it is was created as a result of lack of class politics, and that this (in his view) individualized approach is immensely limited.

      In their book The Dangerous Rise of Therapeutic Education, Kathryn Ecclestone and Dennis Hayes argue that New Labour turned to popular therapy to fill the gap left by class politics. These “therapeutic orthodoxies”, they argue,

      include claims that past life experiences have long-term negative emotional effects for everyone, and particularly pernicious effects for an increasing minority. The overall message is that, behind our apparently confident facades, we are all, to a greater or lesser extent, fragile and vulnerable and, as a consequence, we need particular forms of emotional support.

      Ecclestone and Hayes are right that these therapeutic tenets have been widely promulgated, and often accepted without much criticism. As Eva Illouz has been especially perspicacious in identifying, therapeutic orthodoxies have been disseminated, not only by therapists themselves, but by a popular culture which has enthusiastically adopted therapeutic motifs and conceptual frames. Ecclestone and Hayes are also right that therapy filled the gap that appeared when New Labour explicitly repudiated the concept of class struggle.

      He further adds the passage below, among numerous things.

      A therapeutic narrative of heroic selftransformation is the only story that makes sense in a world in which institutions can no longer be relied upon to support or nurture individuals. In an environment dominated by unrelenting competition and insecurity, it is neither possible to trust others, nor to project any sort of long-term future.

      The passage above, especially the part I emphasized, reads me to me like thoughts of someone in depression. This hopelessness and the overgeneralization are characteristics of that way of thinking. Therefore, it's a good example of what I was trying to say.

      In his conclusion, there is also this part.

      “Many of the characteristics that we tend to regard as entirely ‘psychological’ are acquired from outside. The most significant case in point is probably ‘self-confidence’, the crumbling of which is so often at the root of the kind of personal distress which can be ‘diagnosed’ by the experts as ‘neurotic’.” This means that, contrary to the founding principles of something like cognitive behavioural therapy, the means for self-transformation are not available to individuals.

      A good example of him immensely downplaying therapy, feeding into depressive ways of thinking.

      [The following is a passage he quotes to support his argument] What people who suffer psychological distress tend to become aware of is that no matter how much they want to change, no matter how hard they try, no matter what mental gymnastics they put themselves through, their experiences of life stay much the same. This is because there is no such thing as an autonomous individual. What powers we have are acquired from and distributed within our social context, some of them (the most powerful) at unreachable distances from us. The very meaning of our actions is not something that we can autonomously determine, but is made intelligible (or otherwise) by orders of culture (proximal as well as distal) over which we have virtually no control.

      Another passage that downplays therapy, and effectively feeds into feelings of helplessness. Also another shot at the atomized approach, which I criticized as being overgeneralized and overemphasized in my original post. These, I think, are also another demonstration of how his thinking hurts rather than helps people who are already struggling with learned helplessness.

      However, the following passage doesn't sound overly pessimistic to me, at least at first look.

      This is why any individual therapy — even that practiced by a sympathetic and politically progressive therapist — can only ever have limited effects. In order to really come to terms with the damage that has been done to them by and in the wider social field, individuals need to engage in collective practices that will reverse neoliberalism’s privatisation of stress.

      This suggestion, by itself, is sound. Inequal policies do result in immense stress on individuals, and they should be dealt with if we want a more mentally healthy population. However, based on the overall tone of the essay and his other writings where he talked about psychiatry and therapy, I think he dangerously underplays the effectiveness of therapy. He also misrepresents psychiatry and therapy as "just biochemical imbalances" or "atomized approaches to the individual", which are false.

      There's a very real danger in using Fisher's arguments regarding psychiatry and therapy. You can easily end up arguing that they don't work, or that they're a sham, and as a result use these reasons to not give it a chance, a solid chance. If his arguments are to be engaged, I think it should be done cautiously and while keeping in mind the broader context of his life. Too often I've seen them used to wave away or underplay therapy. But, however blunt it may be, look at where this way of thinking came from, and what it resulted in for its creator. One should try hard to separate the legitimate critique from the learned helplessness of a bright but mentally unwell individual, otherwise, they may end up following the same unhealthy ways of thinking.

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  2. [5]
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    I'm not sure I follow. When I saw a psychiatrist, she literally was just there to give me drugs to treat my symptoms of what society has deemed, according to the DSM, a mental illness. She didn't...

    it's not realistic to say psychiatry overlooks the social reasons for mental illnesses

    I'm not sure I follow. When I saw a psychiatrist, she literally was just there to give me drugs to treat my symptoms of what society has deemed, according to the DSM, a mental illness. She didn't care why I had those symptoms, she told me that's what I talk to my therapist about, and that she was just there to give me drugs to alter my brain enough so I don't have symptoms or that the symptoms are lessened.

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    1. vord
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      My psychiatrist also does an hour of psychotherapy with the med check. He's a strong proponent of doing them both together, because otherwise things fall through the cracks.

      My psychiatrist also does an hour of psychotherapy with the med check.

      He's a strong proponent of doing them both together, because otherwise things fall through the cracks.

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    2. DanBC
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      I feel like if she was overlooking the psycho-social stuff she would have said that talking therapy is pointless and told you not to bother with it. She was working within her competencies, with a...

      I feel like if she was overlooking the psycho-social stuff she would have said that talking therapy is pointless and told you not to bother with it. She was working within her competencies, with a multidisciplinary team.

      I wouldn't expect my psychiatrist to help me with housing, but I'm not sure that's the same as overlooking it.

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    3. [2]
      daywalker
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      In my case, the psychiatrists I saw were also therapists themselves. I'm not sure which option is the better way of doing it, but I think if a mental health center combines both therapy and...

      In my case, the psychiatrists I saw were also therapists themselves. I'm not sure which option is the better way of doing it, but I think if a mental health center combines both therapy and medicine, with different but coordinated professionals, it should also work.

      American Psychological association lists various conditions where combining therapy and medicine are shown to be more effective. But it doesn't say that they have to be handled by the same professional to be effective.

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      1. sparksbet
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        I think there are arguments even for separate centers. I have ADHD and my psychiatrist mostly focuses on prescribing ADHD medication. His practice specializes in that, and he's good at his job....

        I think there are arguments even for separate centers. I have ADHD and my psychiatrist mostly focuses on prescribing ADHD medication. His practice specializes in that, and he's good at his job. But he'd be pretty useless at talk therapy about being trans and even at practical things relating to applying for medical treatments as a trans person, which is a huge part of what I currently see my current therapist for. And even if he could specialize in everything, my psychiatrist's office is CRAZY overbooked. Performing talk therapy for all patients in addition to psychiatric treatment would reduce their ability to give people access to the psychiatric care they need.

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    I don't see how it does? It merely states in your highlighted section that there is higher risk. No more, no less. It doesn't exclude other potential risk factors from the picture, nor does it say...

    I think one of the other negative things about this argument is that, it denies the possibility that some people face mental illness not mainly as a result of social issues, but as a result of some biological unluck.

    I don't see how it does? It merely states in your highlighted section that there is higher risk. No more, no less. It doesn't exclude other potential risk factors from the picture, nor does it say anything about the distribution of risk.

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    1. [6]
      DanBC
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      Some of the people pushing this point are very clear that mental illness does not exist. In the UK we have the Power Threat Meaning Framework written by prominent anti-psychiatry professionals....

      I don't see how it does?

      Some of the people pushing this point are very clear that mental illness does not exist. In the UK we have the Power Threat Meaning Framework written by prominent anti-psychiatry professionals. Lucy Johnstone is clear that bipolar disorder does not exist and that it is unethical to give people lithium to treat it. She's clear that schizophrenia does not exist, and that patients do not get benefit from anti-psychotic medications. She's clear that people have problems, those problems get given a biological label, but that those problems are entirely caused by responses to trauma.

      https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17326328.mental-health-conditions-schizophrenia-even-depression-myth-according-leading-experts-mind/

      “THERE is no such thing as depression,” says Dr Lucy Johnstone. Johnstone is a clinical psychologist, trainer, speaker and writer, and a longstanding critic of biomedical model psychiatry. “There is no medical illness ‘depression’”, she elaborates. “Neither are there conditions such as schizophrenia, or psychosis. Telling people they have borderline personality disorder is unethical, unscientific, unprofessional, inexcusable.

      “Biomedical clinical psychiatry is an ideology and it is wrong for professionals to impose this on people.”

      It's important to remember that these extremist views are held by a minority of professionals, and that most MH professionals in the UK (as opposed to academics) are strong believers in a bio-psycho-social model, and recognise the importance of robust well functioning multi disciplinary teams to address a range of factors that affect people's lives.

      EDIT: there's a calm and measured response to PTMF here: https://www.nationalelfservice.net/mental-health/power-threat-meaning-framework-innovative-and-important-ptmframework/

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      1. [5]
        eggpl4nt
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        I think people who do not want to take psychiatric drugs, which are not without their risks and side effects, should be free to use a framework like the PTMF. PTMF does not box people into DSM...

        I think people who do not want to take psychiatric drugs, which are not without their risks and side effects, should be free to use a framework like the PTMF. PTMF does not box people into DSM labels, some of which are highly stigmatized like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, which can be distressing to people and make their mental health even worse.

        It is possible for a person to work with the symptoms that create the DSM labels schizophrenia and bipolar disorder without psychiatric medication and the need to deem a person as having a lifelong "incurable mental illness." For example, Eleanor Longden who successfully manages the voices in her head and has gone on to earn a master's in psychology and do TED talks on mental health.

        At the same time, if someone finds their psychiatric medication beneficial to them, they are free to take it. I just understand the creators of PTMF concerns about the current state of an overly-heavy reliance on just psychiatric medications while ignoring emotional and social impacts to a person's mental health.

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        1. [4]
          DanBC
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          No, you don't. The PTMF authors think you are irresponsible and unethical because you've said that some people may get benefit from psychiatric meds and should be able to continue taking them.

          I just understand the creators of PTMF concerns about the current state of an overly-heavy reliance on just psychiatric medications while ignoring emotional and social impacts to a person's mental health.

          No, you don't. The PTMF authors think you are irresponsible and unethical because you've said that some people may get benefit from psychiatric meds and should be able to continue taking them.

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          1. [3]
            eggpl4nt
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            That sounds like massive exaggeration and disingenuous. Here is an excerpt from Lucy Johnstone herself about the PTMF from this article where she explicitly states psychiatric drugs can be used:...

            That sounds like massive exaggeration and disingenuous. Here is an excerpt from Lucy Johnstone herself about the PTMF from this article where she explicitly states psychiatric drugs can be used:

            Our aim was to offer a new, non-medical perspective on why people sometimes struggle with a whole range of overwhelming emotions and experiences such as confusion, fear, despair, hopelessness, mood swings, hearing voices, self-harming, panic, eating difficulties, and so on. The PTMF argues that distress of all kinds, even the most severe, is understandable in the context of our relationships and social circumstances, and the wider structures, norms and expectations of the society and culture we live in.

            Changing the narrative from ‘I have a mental illness/mental health problem’ to ‘I am surviving difficult circumstances in the best way I can’ is an essential step towards helping us find new ways forward. This may include various forms of therapy or social support, as offered by the best current services. It might include some use of psychiatric drugs to manage overwhelming feelings, as long as we do not see them as ‘treating medical illnesses’ or resolving life problems.

            For anyone interested in learning more, the British Psychological Society has a lot of information and documents about PTMF.

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            1. [2]
              DanBC
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              I've spent the past 5 years talking to these people, both on and off line, and their position is crystal clear. This is the quality of research being used to promote PTMF:...

              I've spent the past 5 years talking to these people, both on and off line, and their position is crystal clear.

              This is the quality of research being used to promote PTMF: https://retractionwatch.com/2022/10/20/what-happened-when-a-psychology-professor-used-a-peer-reviewed-paper-to-praise-his-own-blog-and-slam-others/

              They say in the PTMF that psych meds can be used, but with informed consent. You need to understand what they mean by "Informed" - they've said that we need to tell patients that meds do not work and that meds cause harm. If you tell someone that eg bipolar doesn't exist, that lithium does not work and that lithium causes harm is your aim to support that person to take the meds or is your aim to prevent that person from taking the meds?

              At the same time as affirming people’s right to describe their difficulties as they wish, we
              affirm the equally important principle that professionals, researchers, trainers, lecturers,
              charities, policy-makers and others involved in the mental health field should use language
              and concepts that have some claim to be descriptively accurate and evidence-based.
              Because psychiatric diagnosis does not meet these standards, it follows that it can no longer
              be considered professionally, scientifically or ethically justifiable to present psychiatric
              diagnoses as if they were valid statements about people and their difficulties.

              They don't want doctors to diagnose bipolar because that would mean medication for bipolar becomes available. Without the dx medication is not available, because this is how licencing works.

              Also from the PTMF

              Informed choice depends on receiving comprehensive and accurate information in
              the first place, and the mode of action of psychiatric drugs needs to be understood
              and explained differently. The PTM Framework is consistent with psychiatrist Joanna
              Moncrieff’s contrasting descriptions of the ‘disease-centred’ and the ‘drug-centred’ models
              of drug action. Medication development and use in general medicine often aims to
              reverse, partially reverse or compensate for, the assumed biological causes of disease and
              bodily symptoms (e.g. replacing the body’s insulin supply, destroying cancerous tumours,
              killing bacteria, and so on). This ‘disease-centred’ model, while not always applicable in
              medical practice, does not apply at all within psychiatric practice because the diagnostic
              clusters give us no information about biological causes. Rather, the action of psychiatric
              drugs conforms to the ‘drug centred’ model, in that they have a range of general effects
              such as sedation or emotional blunting on both ‘normal’ and ‘abnormal’ states of mind
              (Moncrieff, 2008). In fact, claims that the drugs correct ‘chemical imbalances’ are rapidly
              being retracted by senior figures in the field (Pies, 2014). A more accurate analogy is
              drinking alcohol as a relief for anxiety in social situations, rather than, say, insulin to
              restore a physiological deficit. The PTM Framework suggests another analogy: intense
              grief after the death of a partner may be greatly relieved by short-term use of medication
              to aid sleep, but we would not describe this as ‘treatment’ for a ‘disease’. Neither the PTM
              Framework nor the drug-centred model of action justify telling people that psychiatric
              drugs are essential to prevent or treat ‘illness’, or pressurising or coercing them into taking
              them against their will.

              The drug-centred model acknowledges that the abnormal brain states induced by
              psychiatric drugs may be experienced as helpful by some people in some circumstances.
              Some service users have described being better able to cope with overwhelming anxiety
              or hostile voices. Others have described a difficult trade-off between beneficial and
              unpleasant effects (Carrick et al., 2004). Many have testified to unbearable feelings of
              emptiness, dread and agitation which may be worse than the difficulties for which the
              drugs were prescribed (Moncrieff et al., 2009). The problem is that although psychiatric
              drugs may help to control feelings and behaviour, this comes at a price, because they
              also block the systems that regulate engagement, motivation, pain, and pleasure (van
              der Kolk, 2014, p.225–227). Similarly, while these drugs can sometimes enable access to
              therapy or be of help in the initial stabilisation stage, they can also hinder longer-term
              therapeutic work by cutting off access to emotions and impairing motivation. Van der Kolk
              (2014) summarises the pros and cons of different classes of psychiatric drugs in working
              with people who have experienced adversities and traumatic events, and recommends a
              careful negotiation to determine what might be most helpful in particular situations. The
              principles of drug-centred prescribing are outlined in Yeomans et al. (2015).
              Further implications of drug use within a PTM Framework are:
              ●● Misleading terms like ‘antipsychotics’, ‘anti-depressants’ and ‘mood stabilisers’ should
              be abandoned since they do not describe the mode of action, and help to set the scene
              for automatic prescription in response to certain difficulties.
              ●● Professionals urgently need up-to-date information about the emerging evidence of
              limitations and harms potentially caused by all classes of psychiatric drugs, and to
              receive training on the use of medication within a drug-centred model. This applies not
              only to psychiatrists, GPs and psychiatric nurses, but, as suggested in the 2008 NIMHE
              report ‘Medicines management: Everybody’s business’, to all professionals who work in
              settings where psychiatric medication is used. Any of these people may be inadvertently
              giving inaccurate messages or failing to challenge poor practice (NIMHE, 2008).
              ●● Psychiatric drugs should be prescribed on the basis of fully informed choice, with
              service users as equal partners in the decisions (Deegan, 2007, 2010).
              ●● Support to come off psychiatric drugs needs to be routinely available within mental health
              services, through information leaflets, professional advice, support groups and so on.
              ●● Particular disquiet have been expressed about psychiatric drug use in Intellectual
              Disabilities to sedate, manage and control people (Public Health England, 2015).
              Similarly, the misuse and overuse of neuroleptics in Older Adults with dementia for the
              control of behaviour has been the subject of a Department of Health report (Bannerjee,
              2009). In both these relatively less powerful populations, prescribing is common even in
              the absence of any psychiatric diagnosis, existing cognitive impairments are likely to be
              exacerbated, and lives may be shortened. This is a matter of urgent concern.
              Adoption of these principles would be likely to lead to substantial reduction, and hence
              cost savings, in the use of psychiatric drugs, whether prescribed by GPs or psychiatrists.
              Even greater savings can be envisaged in the future, given the growing amount of
              evidence that all classes of psychiatric drugs may be less effective than has been assumed
              (e.g. Bentall, 2009; Kirsch, 2009; Moncrieff, 2015) and may actually increase disability
              over the long term (Viola & Moncrieff, 2016; Whitaker, 2010) up to and including brain
              degeneration and early death (Hutton et al., 2014). There is a curious reluctance to

              This last point, about people with LD is telling. We have the programme STOMP (Stop Over Medicating People with Learning Disability). It's right to mention this, LeDeR reviews tell us that over-medicalisation in this group causes severe harm. But that programme is joined with STAMP (Supporting Treatment and Appropriate Medication in Paediatrics). Why mention the programme that seeks to reduce medication but not the one that seeks to increase appropriate medication?

              These people are all active on social media, go ask Moncreiff, Bentall, Double, Kinderman, Johnson etc about their views.

              1. eggpl4nt
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                I don't disagree with basically anything quoted. I am not going to be convinced to revoke my support of PTMF, because it likely was a major turning point that allowed me to care about myself again...

                I don't disagree with basically anything quoted. I am not going to be convinced to revoke my support of PTMF, because it likely was a major turning point that allowed me to care about myself again and appreciate life.

                We likely have a massive disagreement on this and I am not going to back down from being grateful that the PTMF exists, because I helped me feel immensely better knowing it existed at a time when I was mentally at my worst. Because I have been personally affected by a careless psychiatric system in the United States. I was not given informed consent about psychiatric medications a psychiatrist at an inpatient clinic I was stuck in for a week coerced me to take, even though I did not want to take psychiatric drugs. He did not inform me of the side effects of the drug he wanted me to take, the side effects of the medication were very much brushed off. I was not even offered a chance to allow myself to heal my emotional problems without psychiatric medications. After I was released from the intake, I felt even worse than when I was admitted. I felt absolutely violated. I actually gained more trauma from the careless dismissive treatment I experienced in the psychiatric hospital, and I now have to work with a trauma therapist to work through the trauma that landed me in the psychiatric hospital in addition to the trauma I developed because of having to stay in a psychiatric hospital for a week. It has been over a year and I still have nightmares about the psychiatric hospital. I had to take a break from reading comments in my "The Lame Racehorse" post because someone recommended checking into a mental health inpatient facility which I guess, somewhat embarrassingly, "triggered" me into breaking down crying due to a flood of memories about what I had experienced at the psychiatric hospital and the months of severe depression that followed.

                I felt even more suicidal after my stay at an inpatient psychiatry wing of a hospital than before when I initially was placed there. I felt subhuman. I felt like a disease label. Finding out about PMTF was like having someone look right at me with genuine care in their eyes and say "you went through a lot, what you went through was difficult, it's going to be okay, you're still a whole human being," instead of the dismissive "you're a sick and broken person, a disgusting mental leper" attitude modern psychiatry coldly gave me while throwing a psychiatric drug prescription at my face.

                I have never mentioned this on my "main" social media account because I have felt so hurt and ashamed and violated and embarrassed and scared about what happened to me and how modern psychiatry treated me. And I know that people still stigmatize those who struggle with mental health issues and sometimes treat us like we "don't know better." But I guess I am going to be brave enough to say this surface-level version of what happened to me now, for this post, because I suppose I cannot stand to see someone dragging something that made me feel human again through the mud.

                I am immensely grateful that PTMF exists. If you don't like it, don't use it. It's not like it's some extremely popular framework that's being pushed through the medical field at record speeds. PTMF could greatly reduce profits for the psychiatric/pharmaceutical industry, so it's not going to be popular in profit-driven capitalist countries, especially the United States. People should be free to find alternative ways to treat their mental health that resonate with them and help them heal like PTMF did with me.

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