Not paying for the article, but my personal experience of vege/pescatarianism is that it is healthier just because most of the junk food I was eating/craving was meat based. Removing them as an...
Not paying for the article, but my personal experience of vege/pescatarianism is that it is healthier just because most of the junk food I was eating/craving was meat based.
Removing them as an option automatically made my diet waaay healthier. I can still find shitty vegetarian food if I look for it, but it isn't nearly so accessible.
The point of the article is to state, yet again, that there are nutrients found in animal products which human beings need - so people going meat-free need to plan their diet carefully. In...
The point of the article is to state, yet again, that there are nutrients found in animal products which human beings need - so people going meat-free need to plan their diet carefully. In general, vegans tend to plan better and ensure they eat plant-based products that contain these nutrients, but vegetarians don't make that effort as much as they should. The article also says that some people who switch to a non-meat diet experience something called "brain fog" due to a deficiency of some of these nutrients (which has been confirmed by studies).
It's not as simple as "no meat = healthier". There's a lot more to the equation than that.
Yes and it's not at simple as 'meat = healthier' either. It really depends on the individual. Last I checked longitudinal studies are still showing that vegetarians live longer, though.
Yes and it's not at simple as 'meat = healthier' either. It really depends on the individual.
Last I checked longitudinal studies are still showing that vegetarians live longer, though.
Some people, on the contrary, experience brain fog when they eat meat or have increased acidity. My observation is that there are people who can easily tolerate the absence of meat in their diet,...
Some people, on the contrary, experience brain fog when they eat meat or have increased acidity.
My observation is that there are people who can easily tolerate the absence of meat in their diet, and some cannot last more than a week.
That's incorrect - tempeh is not a reliable source of B12. Even when it's present in a given fermentation, the quantity isn't adequate for long-term health. There are no proven dependable sources...
I'm really curious to watch The Game Changers movie when it is released very soon. The trailer is filled with some clearly cherry picked case studies, but nevertheless makes me very curious. I do...
I'm really curious to watch The Game Changers movie when it is released very soon. The trailer is filled with some clearly cherry picked case studies, but nevertheless makes me very curious. I do love the comment from the strongest man competitor at the end: "People ask me how can you be as strong as an ox if you don't eat meat? -- he laughs and replies something to the effect "Have you ever seen an ox eat meat?"
Would we differentiate between hard paywalls that don't let any people read any articles and soft paywalls which allow some people to read some articles?
Would we differentiate between hard paywalls that don't let any people read any articles and soft paywalls which allow some people to read some articles?
I see @Grzmot has already added a paywall.hard tag to this post. I hope we'll soon see this tag applied to the many posts here from the New York Times, among others.
I see @Grzmot has already added a paywall.hard tag to this post. I hope we'll soon see this tag applied to the many posts here from the New York Times, among others.
Click the "Register" button below the article and enter an email and password. You don't need to verify the email to read the article; I used an address from 10minutemail. Not that a paywall being...
Click the "Register" button below the article and enter an email and password. You don't need to verify the email to read the article; I used an address from 10minutemail.
Not that a paywall being easily bypassed is an excuse for posting an article with one, however. I don't have a problem with paywalled articles being posted; as I commented in this thread about a similar issue, I support a creator's ability to monetize their work. However, I think that an indication in the title that an article is paywalled or a non-paywalled version in the comments would be a reasonable expectation.
I was informed quite clearly by @Deimos that it is the reader's responsibility to find a way to read the articles posted here, not the not the poster's responsibility to ensure that an article is...
I was informed quite clearly by @Deimos that it is the reader's responsibility to find a way to read the articles posted here, not the not the poster's responsibility to ensure that an article is readable. I read a copy of this article on a different website, but this is the original source (in line with the policy that we should post original sources where possible).
That's... an odd policy. I certainly agree with posting the original work, but while you might not be required to post a version everyone can access, all 5 (6, now) comments in some way reference...
That's... an odd policy. I certainly agree with posting the original work, but while you might not be required to post a version everyone can access, all 5 (6, now) comments in some way reference the inability to easily read the article, and only one of them actually respond to the content itself. What should have been a discussion about the merits of a meat-free diet is now, but didn't have to be, more a meta-discussion about Tildes and the accessibility of its content.
I'd love to see it become a thing where people voluntarily put "(pay wall)" into their titles, so that readers will be informed. I'd love it more if we could look for sources without pay walls...
I'd love to see it become a thing where people voluntarily put "(pay wall)" into their titles, so that readers will be informed. I'd love it more if we could look for sources without pay walls entirely... if the onus is on the reader (as it apparently is), then everyone has to seek out a non-paywall alternative. If the onus is on the poster, only they need do it. But, My opinion is not official opinion, so I'm content to say my piece here and no more.
Make a post in ~tildes to discuss this issue. I did. That's how I found out @Deimos' opinion about this.
What should have been a discussion about the merits of a meat-free diet is now, but didn't have to be, more a meta-discussion about Tildes and the accessibility of its content.
Not paying for the article, but my personal experience of vege/pescatarianism is that it is healthier just because most of the junk food I was eating/craving was meat based.
Removing them as an option automatically made my diet waaay healthier. I can still find shitty vegetarian food if I look for it, but it isn't nearly so accessible.
The point of the article is to state, yet again, that there are nutrients found in animal products which human beings need - so people going meat-free need to plan their diet carefully. In general, vegans tend to plan better and ensure they eat plant-based products that contain these nutrients, but vegetarians don't make that effort as much as they should. The article also says that some people who switch to a non-meat diet experience something called "brain fog" due to a deficiency of some of these nutrients (which has been confirmed by studies).
It's not as simple as "no meat = healthier". There's a lot more to the equation than that.
Yes and it's not at simple as 'meat = healthier' either. It really depends on the individual.
Last I checked longitudinal studies are still showing that vegetarians live longer, though.
Some people, on the contrary, experience brain fog when they eat meat or have increased acidity.
My observation is that there are people who can easily tolerate the absence of meat in their diet, and some cannot last more than a week.
What are these nutrients?
Vitamin B12 is the big one. It's in eggs, so vegetarians have a common source, but the only vegan food I know of that has it naturally is tempeh.
That's incorrect - tempeh is not a reliable source of B12. Even when it's present in a given fermentation, the quantity isn't adequate for long-term health. There are no proven dependable sources of active B12 in non-animal foods, other than those contaminated with potentially pathogenic bacteria.
The only reliable way for vegans to get adequate B12 is through supplements or fortified foods.
I recommend you do some research if you're interested in this subject. (I'm not going to type out the article piece by piece.)
I'm really curious to watch The Game Changers movie when it is released very soon. The trailer is filled with some clearly cherry picked case studies, but nevertheless makes me very curious. I do love the comment from the strongest man competitor at the end: "People ask me how can you be as strong as an ox if you don't eat meat? -- he laughs and replies something to the effect "Have you ever seen an ox eat meat?"
Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSpglxHTJVM
Would we differentiate between hard paywalls that don't let any people read any articles and soft paywalls which allow some people to read some articles?
I see @Grzmot has already added a
paywall.hardtag to this post. I hope we'll soon see this tag applied to the many posts here from the New York Times, among others.I've taken the liberty to apply the tag as I think it's a good idea for Tildes and hope it propagates further.
So... I often forget that tags exist. >.<
Thank you for reminding me about the paywall tag. This is an elegant solution. In other news: I am a doof.
And a very heavy one. Waiting for someone with huge solidarity to publish it here.
Click the "Register" button below the article and enter an email and password. You don't need to verify the email to read the article; I used an address from 10minutemail.
Not that a paywall being easily bypassed is an excuse for posting an article with one, however. I don't have a problem with paywalled articles being posted; as I commented in this thread about a similar issue, I support a creator's ability to monetize their work. However, I think that an indication in the title that an article is paywalled or a non-paywalled version in the comments would be a reasonable expectation.
I was informed quite clearly by @Deimos that it is the reader's responsibility to find a way to read the articles posted here, not the not the poster's responsibility to ensure that an article is readable. I read a copy of this article on a different website, but this is the original source (in line with the policy that we should post original sources where possible).
FYI: @test
That's... an odd policy. I certainly agree with posting the original work, but while you might not be required to post a version everyone can access, all 5 (6, now) comments in some way reference the inability to easily read the article, and only one of them actually respond to the content itself. What should have been a discussion about the merits of a meat-free diet is now, but didn't have to be, more a meta-discussion about Tildes and the accessibility of its content.
I'd love to see it become a thing where people voluntarily put "(pay wall)" into their titles, so that readers will be informed. I'd love it more if we could look for sources without pay walls entirely... if the onus is on the reader (as it apparently is), then everyone has to seek out a non-paywall alternative. If the onus is on the poster, only they need do it. But, My opinion is not official opinion, so I'm content to say my piece here and no more.
Make a post in ~tildes to discuss this issue. I did. That's how I found out @Deimos' opinion about this.