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Recommendations for ENM apps for Bi women

Seeking recommendations for Ethical Non-Monogamy (ENM) apps for a bi gal like myself for cute dates with other women only?

So far most of what I've tried have been very limited/one way interactions (unsure if people have forgotten how to ask questions!?). ONLY SEEKING FOR SELF, NO UNICORNS/NOT A UNICORN. Sorry just had to make that clear....

Any recommendations would be appreciated! PS am Au based not USA...

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  1. [5]
    Gaywallet
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    Some context- I'm poly and queer and have been pretty much my whole life. I go through hundreds of matches a year and actively date regularly. In short, I've been around the block a few times and...
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    Some context- I'm poly and queer and have been pretty much my whole life. I go through hundreds of matches a year and actively date regularly. In short, I've been around the block a few times and have some learning to share.

    Most apps support flagging poly/enm at this point. I live in SF which has a huge poly/queer scene, so nearly any app works. There's problematic people on all apps. With that being said, the apps that is most directed towards ENM is definitely feeld.

    After feeld, it really depends on where you're from but I would recommend her, and okcupid next as they are targeted pretty heavily at queer folks or have large queer communities. Hinge has one of the best interfaces and functionality I've seen but I struggle to get matches making me wonder if it's mostly straight people.

    Lex is another great queer app, but I've never managed to get a date out of it, it seems more community focused to me. Great for shitposting and community and levity. Sometimes you might find in person meetups which could lead to dating or queer events, def worth checking out for that if nothing else.

    The most successful (in terms of pure numbers of dates) apps I've used are the most mainstream ones - tinder and bumble. I think it's just a reflection of how large the dating pools are on those apps. So long as you clearly flag what you are and what you're looking for, I think it's pretty simple to find what you are looking for, but do not underestimate how much work it is to find someone on these apps. The following general statements are ones you should be aware of:

    • People are quite selective with their matching, on average women swipe right on something like 10% of people. Expect to have to like a lot of people for just a few matches.
    • People very rarely message at all, to have the highest chances of meeting, always send the first message
    • Many people will unmatch after matching with you, try not to think about it
    • The majority of people are not looking to meet people in real life from these apps. Yes, you read that correctly So do not be discouraged by how few matches end up in actual conversations or actual meetups
    • Most people have notifications off and because of such may disappear for long periods of time and when they do show up often won't reply because it's been so long and they feel guilty. In general you should try to push towards another app like instagram or text ASAP. Couching your language and asking about comfort when pushing in this direction is a good way to make this happen faster, but even this will likely feel like a chore at times
    • If you find yourself upset at dating apps or frustrated or tired of how much energy it's taking, take that as an opportunity to disengage or a signal that you are burning out
    • I like to think of dating apps more as just socialization apps. They lead to conversations with people. SOMETIMES, if I'm lucky, I get to meet the person and even more rarely they end up a figure in my life. By setting little to no expectations, it makes it a lot easier to avoid getting too invested in someone or fantasizing about what/how things could be. Even when people are engaging with me and we're spending hours texting and exchanging voice memos it doesn't mean that it'll work out when we eventually meet, so I like to approach it in more of a "what can I learn here" kind of way - exploratory, curious, but with no expectations.
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      Picklauz
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      Thanks so much for your reply, has been really helpful! Feels like it's quite a small (but also big at the same time??) community and being new to everything is hard to know what to expect/not...

      Thanks so much for your reply, has been really helpful! Feels like it's quite a small (but also big at the same time??) community and being new to everything is hard to know what to expect/not expect etc.

      I certainly haven't had high hopes I guess but just more wondering whats 'normal' or not etc. My partner now isn't interested in exploring from his side but has said is my decision to keep going or not but that's a whole other story! Eeeaah anyways!

      I still haven't met anyone IRL but I have moved to texting with a few different ppl but lordy it can get exausting! However am hoping I will get to meet someone IRL at some point as I'm still keen to explore my bi-ness as such and in some ways feel like I've always kinda been ENM as I tend to compartmentalise fairly easily (or that's just trauma/ignoring feelings who knows! 😬).

      I haven't downloaded any other apps as yet as have certainly felt overwhelmed (not sure that's the right feeling??) with all the choices and trying to keep up with various ones etc so at the moment I've still just got 3, with one mainly being for making new friends as have also realised I'm sorely lacking local friends in my area as well now that many have moved away/interstate/overseas etc

      Anyways will certainly come back to this thread for future inspiration too 😊

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      1. [3]
        Gaywallet
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        For what it's worth you're doing a lot of the right things. You're checking out podcasts on the topic and it sounds like seeking some amount of education. I'd highly recommend the book polysecure,...

        For what it's worth you're doing a lot of the right things. You're checking out podcasts on the topic and it sounds like seeking some amount of education. I'd highly recommend the book polysecure, if you haven't already caught wind of it. There's plenty of online and in person community, FetLife might be a good place to see if there are local poly groups that meet up. Groups can be a good way to get more education, ask questions, or even just get better plugged in and see what the community looks like- the drama, role models, swapping stories, and so on. If you're not plugged into local queer communities bi folks and trans folks are also disproportionately poly, so plugging into those communities can help you understand the queer slice of poly.

        There's no such thing as 'normal' and honestly if you haven't already started throwing out some assumptions you've had about what a relationship is or isn't, I'd highly recommend thinking about it! Relationship anarchy is a fantastic structure to start customizing relationships to better benefit everyone involved. I'm glad your partner is supportive but I also think being restrictive on who you can date based on gender (or more likely based on genital configuration, as I've found) is probably a conversation worth exploring at some point.

        When you do meet someone, I hope you tag me or reply, I'm invested now and curious to hear how things go! But you're right, it's definitely a lot of work and I think it deserves being recognized as work and that we need to give it the appropriate amount of space and watch for burnout just like we do with other kinds of work.

        Also just wanted to mention that I'm around if you ever want to ask a question, don't be afraid to send me a message or tag me in comments anywhere πŸ˜„πŸ’œ

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          Picklauz
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          Hi @Gaywallet (hopefully am doing this right!!!πŸ˜…πŸ€£) soo an update of sorts I guess but basically very long story short, I ended up ending things with my partner aaand came out as queer(er!) πŸ˜…πŸ€£ as...

          Hi @Gaywallet (hopefully am doing this right!!!πŸ˜…πŸ€£) soo an update of sorts I guess but basically very long story short, I ended up ending things with my partner aaand came out as queer(er!) πŸ˜…πŸ€£ as in I prefer women to men (not that I don't like them or wouldn't ever date them in the future) The decision has been a looong time in the making really and when looking back I'm like, oh yeah, this makes sense/feels right to me! πŸ˜…πŸ˜Š This is by far the healthiest thing for me as there were a number of things in our relationship that were not at all healthy! 🫣 He's not necessarily a bad person etc, he's been really supportive and we are still living together till we can both find a place etc but yeah, is certainly some big changes and am looking forward to cute dates and taking things from there!! πŸ€£πŸ˜… I still haven't 'found' anyone or actually done anything with anyone at all πŸ€£πŸ€£πŸ˜… but am excited for the next steps and just seeing where life takes me next!! πŸ€—πŸ€— No idea about queer life/space what to expect etc but am just overall excited for whatever comes next!! πŸ˜…πŸ˜Š Soo any advice you might have would also be appreciated!! πŸ˜…πŸ€£πŸ«£

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          1. Gaywallet
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            Heya. I'm sorry for you and I'm happy for you! πŸ’œ Ending a relationship is tough, but you also learned something about yourself and have an exciting future as a queer(er!) person 😁 I'm not sure...

            Heya. I'm sorry for you and I'm happy for you! πŸ’œ Ending a relationship is tough, but you also learned something about yourself and have an exciting future as a queer(er!) person 😁 I'm not sure what kind of advice I can offer without a little bit more guidance - what kind of advice are you seeking?

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    paris
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    Does HER exist for you? I've never used it myself, but heard good things.

    Does HER exist for you? I've never used it myself, but heard good things.

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    1. Picklauz
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      Yes have HER and has been OK so far but a lot of random ghosting and/or ppl just not knowing how to hold a conversation where it just comes across as they're just not interested so been feeling a...

      Yes have HER and has been OK so far but a lot of random ghosting and/or ppl just not knowing how to hold a conversation where it just comes across as they're just not interested so been feeling a bit frustrated/like am putting in all this effort to think of interesting questions etc and then get nothing back.. Idk maybe I'm just asking too many questions or something dunno..

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    2. FeminalPanda
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      I would recommend "her" as well or FetLife.

      I would recommend "her" as well or FetLife.

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    heroic_dose
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    Feeld. Tinder is ok if you're upfront about what you want. Not going to lie though, there's a bunch of us out there who have been burned by people who refer to themselves as ENM but are anything...

    Feeld. Tinder is ok if you're upfront about what you want. Not going to lie though, there's a bunch of us out there who have been burned by people who refer to themselves as ENM but are anything but ethical. There's a few common red flags that often come up quickly, and I'll immediately lose interest, so honestly I tend to mostly skip past these profiles now. Might explain why you're having a difficult time with it. Good luck

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      Picklauz
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      πŸ˜₯ I'm sorry to hear that! It's def not something I'm super familiar with as is the first time doing this sort of thing but have been very open about it and am open to learning/communicating etc....

      πŸ˜₯ I'm sorry to hear that! It's def not something I'm super familiar with as is the first time doing this sort of thing but have been very open about it and am open to learning/communicating etc. Could likely be why though for sure. Totally understand it's not gonna be for everyone etc and I'd probably not swipe right (is that right!? πŸ˜…) if I saw ENM too I guess! Guess might just be a matter of luck/timing etc Thanks for the heads up! If you've got any tips on what the red flags are so I can hopefully avoid them that'd be fab! πŸ˜… I've been listening to Non-Monogamy help which I've found really interesting and informative so far!

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      1. [7]
        heroic_dose
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        The biggest red flag for me is any sort of indication of imbalance in existing relationships. Most common one I see is a hetero non-monog couple where only the male partner is allowed to date the...

        The biggest red flag for me is any sort of indication of imbalance in existing relationships. Most common one I see is a hetero non-monog couple where only the male partner is allowed to date the opposite sex. If the non-monog or poly situation arose because one partner found someone else before opening the relationship up, that's also a recipe for disaster.

        ENM takes a lot of work and experience to get right. You may find it easier to connect with someone else who is also at the start of their journey, so you can sort of figure it out together. It's quite literally like trying to find your first job in a field where everyone wants 5+ years of experience haha

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        1. [3]
          moriarty
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          That's the story of my last 3 months and let me tell you - I am depressed, upset and confused af. She technically hasn't done anything but it's clear she wants to open the relationship for that...

          If the non-monog or poly situation arose because one partner found someone else before opening the relationship up, that's also a recipe for disaster.

          That's the story of my last 3 months and let me tell you - I am depressed, upset and confused af. She technically hasn't done anything but it's clear she wants to open the relationship for that guy. Apparently he's been showering her with attention for months. We spoke about it when we first started dating and I said it really wasn't for me and if that's what she's after we should stop. She said it wasn't (and was extremely jealous of my female friends so I believed her). 12 years and one kiddo later and we're back here again.

          I really am so very confused about it. I'm completely alone in this country - family and friends are literally on the other side of the planet. It's just me and her. And I don't know if I actually am okay about it (when I think about it sometimes, I don't think I mind if she does it all that much. Is it something I would also like? Am I only close to it because of societal pressure?) or I'm just terrified of being left alone here. It's been truly awful.

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          1. heroic_dose
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            I'm so sorry to hear this. It's honestly really upsetting to hear about people being treated this way. Her desire for an open relationship shouldn't trump your own needs, particularly when you...

            I'm so sorry to hear this. It's honestly really upsetting to hear about people being treated this way. Her desire for an open relationship shouldn't trump your own needs, particularly when you were upfront!

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            1. moriarty
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              Thank you. It really does help. I think the foundation you have set is a fair and respectful one. These conversations tend to destabilize the relationship, so having a feeling of control where you...

              Thank you. It really does help.
              I think the foundation you have set is a fair and respectful one. These conversations tend to destabilize the relationship, so having a feeling of control where you can explore safely into the unknown is essential. I think this is a choice I would've accepted. It would be squarely outside of my comfort zone, but I like exploring outside of it once done in a safe and understanding environment. Once I feel I have control of it.
              Sadly it was made very clear that once the relationship is opened, there is no turning back (other than breaking up, that is). She's read somewhere in one of the books about poly relationships that undoing it is going to be unfair to the other people involved, so while it difficult, she has to negotiate for their needs as well. So from the start it's all or nothing. When we discussed it and I expressed I wasn't interested, she kept saying "I'm just trying to find a relationship that works for the both of us".
              As I was saying - I'm very confused. I'm not categorically against trying it, but as far as I've been reading online, this is a death sentence to a relationship. It really is difficult to evaluate from where I'm standing - all accounts I'm reading about are either toxic and borderline cheating relationships on reddit, or the overly simplistic and sterile accounts I read about in the poly books she gives me. It's hard to find realistic, complex and challenging accounts to see if this is something I can live with. And indeed I don't have anyone around who's experienced with it to give me their account, answers and guidance. I would love to have conversations about this, but I don't want to burden anyone with my problems.

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          Picklauz
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          Hahaha feeling that way already! πŸ˜…πŸ˜‚πŸ˜­πŸ˜’ Totally understand the finding someone before opening up that just sounds like trouble waiting to happen! πŸ™„ Also interesting you say about the imbalance...

          Hahaha feeling that way already! πŸ˜…πŸ˜‚πŸ˜­πŸ˜’

          Totally understand the finding someone before opening up that just sounds like trouble waiting to happen! πŸ™„

          Also interesting you say about the imbalance though cos my partner (male) knows I've always been Bi and suggested I try that however that looks (so opening up the relationship basically... Timing honestly could have been better but anyways that's another story! πŸ˜…). So far dating other guys is off the table cos apparently was specifically supposed to be about me experiencing the dating thing with other women... 😬 😬 πŸ€”πŸ€”

          He's got a specific thing he wants to try cos I asked (he didn't bring it up) and found someone fairly quickly on Fetlife...

          Hence why I was like... isn't it usually the other way around!? πŸ˜… I mean great that he did but feeling like a slog over here! πŸ˜… 🫣 Also thought Fetlife was specifically for Fet only stuff but I guess maybe not then? πŸ€” πŸ€” Sorry this turned into a bit of a random ramble but anyways!!

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            heroic_dose
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            Sorry I thought I replied to this earlier but can't find any evidence that I actually did lol. You're welcome to message me if you like, I'd be more than happy to talk about this further

            Sorry I thought I replied to this earlier but can't find any evidence that I actually did lol. You're welcome to message me if you like, I'd be more than happy to talk about this further

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            1. Picklauz
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              Thanks! I think/hope have sent a msg!? πŸ˜…

              Thanks! I think/hope have sent a msg!? πŸ˜…

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    1. Picklauz
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      No worries, am glad you've found this helpful! 😊 I wasn't sure what sort of response it would get due to the relatively smallish community and being on Tildes etc but I'll certainly be coming back...

      No worries, am glad you've found this helpful! 😊 I wasn't sure what sort of response it would get due to the relatively smallish community and being on Tildes etc but I'll certainly be coming back to check this thread every so often for sure (once the Android app allows me to it'll be even more frequently! πŸ˜… 😊).

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  5. [3]
    cfabbro
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    Totally offtopic (so please label this comment as such). @Picklauz, are you by chance using Surfboard for Tildes, the 3rd-party iOS app? I ask because you double posted this topic a full 2 minutes...

    Totally offtopic (so please label this comment as such).

    @Picklauz, are you by chance using Surfboard for Tildes, the 3rd-party iOS app? I ask because you double posted this topic a full 2 minutes apart:
    https://tildes.net/~life.women/18cd/recommendations_for_enm_apps_for_bi_women
    https://tildes.net/~life.women/18ce/recommendations_for_enm_apps_for_bi_women

    And the last time we saw that sort of thing happening frequently, Surfboard was responsible for it. So if Surfboard is doing something weird again I would like to know so I can inform the dev.

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      Picklauz
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      Oh no, just using Ecosa browser! Sorry!! 😬😬Really not sure what happened here!!! I'll delete the other one (if I can), sorry not sure how that happened!!

      Oh no, just using Ecosa browser! Sorry!! 😬😬Really not sure what happened here!!! I'll delete the other one (if I can), sorry not sure how that happened!!

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      1. cfabbro
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        No worries. It's not a big deal. I just wanted to make sure Surfboard wasn't misbehaving again. :)

        No worries. It's not a big deal. I just wanted to make sure Surfboard wasn't misbehaving again. :)

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