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What’s so bad about digital blackface?

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  1. [8]
    Grzmot
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    Ok I'm sorry but I really do not agree with any of those takes. I'm going to be completely honest, I read like 2 thirds and skimmed through the rest so if there is some grand point to it that I...
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    Ok I'm sorry but I really do not agree with any of those takes. I'm going to be completely honest, I read like 2 thirds and skimmed through the rest so if there is some grand point to it that I missed please enlighten me.

    Any time someone tells me to do or not do something and I don't understand why, especially with the hinted implication that if I don't comply, I am a bad person because I'm [INSERT YOUR FAVOURITE TYPE OF BYGOTRY], I just get mad. You see digital blackface is bad, so you shouldn't do it, so better not keep doing it or else!

    First of all, complaining about non-black people using memes with black people in them is complaining on such a ludicrously high level that I'm tempted to tell anyone who does to just grow the fuck up and leave people alone.

    At least the author does a good job of disassembling the usual arguments used in this conversation, but even the example with cybergoths is strange to me, because a meme is completely divorced from it's original meaning. That's why they're so good as reactions. I don't see how you could ever racially code it when it's clearly just meant to be a what the fuck double take moment. You could've used the white guy blinking meme too, they fulfill the same purpose. But memes evolve pretty organically so you can't really control and once it's out there the entire point is to find new creative ways to use the given meme. The white guy blinking meme is actually a fantastic example here. Just look at this image search of the meme and scroll down a bit, it stops being about a double take very quickly

    I appreciate that you posted this because ultimately a good conversation can come from this. I'd elaborate more (maybe), but I'm tired and it's midnight. Ah, maybe I shouldn't have written all this but now it's done and it'd be a waste to delete it.

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    1. [7]
      chrysanth
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      I don't find the piece to be prescriptive like you suggest. The author's position is in the conclusion of the article (drawn after deconstructing all the common discourses around digital...

      I don't find the piece to be prescriptive like you suggest. The author's position is in the conclusion of the article (drawn after deconstructing all the common discourses around digital blackface), so you may want to go back and read that section if you're interested in understanding their argument.

      I think the author would agree with you that it doesn't make sense for someone to tell you what not to do, in the kind of knee-jerk way you describe, since these knee-jerk reactions are often based in the cultural appropriation and fungibility discourses. Nowhere in this piece is the author actually in support of those discourses, though. They are just outlining them so they can critique them in service of their actual argument.

      I'll share the last paragraph here too, just because it was what drew me to post the piece in the first place:

      When we see that memeing – even memeing black people, and even when nonblack people participate in such memeing – is not inherently antiblack, we allow ourselves to ask: what would – as silly as it may sound – a generative, radical, socially connective, powerfully black memeing practice look like? I’m not quite sure, truth be told, but I’d like to find out.

      edit: softened some argumentative language

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      1. [3]
        NaraVara
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        I’d argue that if this was the author’s intent then calling it “digital blackface” was an extremely poor choice, calibrated more to be provocative and attention seeking than to make a nuanced...

        I think the author would agree with you that it doesn't make sense for someone to tell you what not to do, in the kind of knee-jerk way you describe

        I’d argue that if this was the author’s intent then calling it “digital blackface” was an extremely poor choice, calibrated more to be provocative and attention seeking than to make a nuanced point.

        Most of these memes using Black actors originate from Black Twitter in the first place before they go mainstream, so I’d say we do get a good look at what a Black culture of memeing would look like and it looks a lot like what we have. Maybe there’s an argument about cultural appropriation there (though I doubt I’d buy it), but analogies to minstrelsy are not that.

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        1. Atvelonis
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          I felt that the author's intent was pretty clear in suggesting that the term, which is already in use elsewhere on the internet, is not necessarily valid in the contexts in which it tends to be...

          I felt that the author's intent was pretty clear in suggesting that the term, which is already in use elsewhere on the internet, is not necessarily valid in the contexts in which it tends to be used. It is a little silly to suggest that they should not use the word in the title of a piece trying to deconstruct it.

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        2. chrysanth
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          but the clicks though ;) You're equating an actually existing "Black culture of memeing" with a potential "generative, radical, socially connective, powerfully black memeing practice," the author...

          I’d argue that if this was the author’s intent then calling it “digital blackface” was an extremely poor choice, calibrated more to be provocative and attention seeking than to make a nuanced point.

          but the clicks though ;)

          Most of these memes using Black actors originate from Black Twitter in the first place before they go mainstream, so I’d say we do get a good look at what a Black culture of memeing would look like and it looks a lot like what we have. Maybe there’s an argument about cultural appropriation there (though I doubt I’d buy it), but analogies to minstrelsy are not that.

          You're equating an actually existing "Black culture of memeing" with a potential "generative, radical, socially connective, powerfully black memeing practice," the author is not talking about Black meme culture on Twitter when he asks us what the latter looks like. Neither is the author making an argument about cultural appropriation, although he identifies and discusses such an argument in the piece, so I'm not sure how your comment follows.

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      2. [3]
        Grzmot
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        I've gotten a fair bit of sleep and I'm definitely not tired now, so I'd like another go at this, hopefully without the inflammatory rhetoric I used last time. If I caused any harm I'd like to...

        I've gotten a fair bit of sleep and I'm definitely not tired now, so I'd like another go at this, hopefully without the inflammatory rhetoric I used last time. If I caused any harm I'd like to apologize (I didn't read the original version of your comment before the edit)

        So the main problem the author identifies in this piece with what he calls digital blackface, is that the way black people are used in memes skewes the way that everyone else sees black people because memes distill the original circumstances away and what remains is a blank canvas for everyone else to project their views on.

        But the thing is, that's exactly what memes are. You have an original situation which gets captured as a video or picture (or even audio recording) and then gets eternally remixed by the cogs of the internet. This happens to any kind of meme, not just those with black people in it. I'd argue it's more egalitarian than anything. Since therefore everyone gets treated the same, I can't see any issue with it.

        And while he does not intend to call out anyone (a good idea that shows that he's a sensible human being), declaring it bad does carry the implication of stop doing it if you want to remain a decent person for me, because decent people don't do bad things, or they wouldn't be decent.

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        1. [2]
          chrysanth
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          No, not at all! I made those edits because there's been a lot of meta-discussion recently about the kind of atmosphere we want to cultivate on the site, and I don't want to contribute to an...

          If I caused any harm I'd like to apologize (I didn't read the original version of your comment before the edit)

          No, not at all! I made those edits because there's been a lot of meta-discussion recently about the kind of atmosphere we want to cultivate on the site, and I don't want to contribute to an environment where we take everyone's response in the worst possible light and drive people off the site.

          I think the author addresses your point in this paragraph:

          Fungibility reveals the ways in which the black persons that memes capture are being “annihilated”, so to speak; the meme is reducing away their personhood so they can be endlessly circulated and projected upon. So one might understandably say that this is the source of the evil, the antiblackness, in digital blackface. However, this is unsatisfactory: because such a reduction or annihilation is the nature of memes. All memes are fungible.

          The point you seem to have in contention with the author is actually a point you both agree on. It's pretty hard to argue otherwise! The actual claim is that this fungibility enables a meme to become digital blackface when it narrows the possibilities considered to be present within blackness, which means considering the social context in which the meme is being shared.

          A great deal of theoretical work has been done on the covering up of black male intimacy and emotion; Taylor reveals that this meme is a case of that covering up. The meme is, as Jackson puts it, a stereotype, a cliche; it is a specific way of understanding what possibilities black life holds. A certain possibility – pure, gushy feeling – is covered up, while another – disaffected cool – is highlighted. Instead of being underdetermined, the image of the boy is overdetermined; it is manipulated so that it is actively and discretely read a certain way.

          It's the long history of "covering up of black male intimacy and emotion" that makes the difference in this case. To be perfectly clear, I'm not saying you have to agree with any of this. But if you disagree, and would like to do so by means of good-faith intellectual engagement with the author's argument, I feel like this last plank has to be addressed (i.e. memes are fungible, but that doesn't mean they can't be shared in a way that overdetermines blackness and reifies certain stereotypes that perpetuate racism).

          And while he does not intend to call out anyone (a good idea that shows that he's a sensible human being), declaring it bad does carry the implication of stop doing it if you want to remain a decent person for me, because decent people don't do bad things, or they wouldn't be decent.

          I can't say I follow the logic behind the suggestion that one's lack of intention of calling out others makes one a sensible human being. Sometimes people need to be called out when they're doing things that are offensive. Otherwise, why would they stop? I think the author's made a compelling argument as to why digital blackface is something we shouldn't do (being perfectly clear, of course, that "white people sharing memes of black people" is not digital blackface, as the author's piece has just explained to us). But frankly, I find the piece to be more about the philosophy of the arguments (which is why I shared it, for an intellectual discussion), so I'm curious about your fixation on what you perceive to be this moral imperative supposedly limiting your agency.

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          1. Grzmot
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            I agree! My different take here comes that it simply isn't a problem. The blank slate quality of good memes (or as the author likes to call it, fungibility) is necessary so they can be changed and...

            The point you seem to have in contention with the author is actually a point you both agree on. It's pretty hard to argue otherwise!

            I agree! My different take here comes that it simply isn't a problem. The blank slate quality of good memes (or as the author likes to call it, fungibility) is necessary so they can be changed and spread like wildfire across the internet. It's necessary so they can be remixed in such fun ways. The recent Ghanian dancing pallbearers/Ghana Says Goodbye meme is a fantastic example of this. We got from a BBC documentary to a funny video with EDM music behind to just the set up music being enough to indicate incoming death. See the top posts of the relevant subreddit for good examples: https://old.reddit.com/r/GhanaSaysGoodbye/top/ Is that offensive? Are the men doing the pallbearer dance erased in some form? Ugandan knuckles comes to mind as well, as a meme that was deemed offensive by Americans before the actually Ugandan man (director of the movie from where the meme originated, if I remember correctly) came out and said he enjoyed it. All tangentially related

            There's no way to curtail this in any reasonable way. And the author is not arguing for that! But then I wonder why we're having this discussion in the first place.

            It's the long history of "covering up of black male intimacy and emotion" that makes the difference in this case. To be perfectly clear, I'm not saying you have to agree with any of this. But if you disagree, and would like to do so by means of good-faith intellectual engagement with the author's argument, I feel like this last plank has to be addressed (i.e. memes are fungible, but that doesn't mean they can't be shared in a way that overdetermines blackness and reifies certain stereotypes that perpetuate racism).

            I don't think it changes the discussion significantly since we are already so far along that we only speak in hypotheticals, but the original meme Terio at Popeye's has nothing to do with intimacy or emotion. The joke is that the kid in question apparently looks similar to a content creator named Terio on Vine, back when it was active and is called Terio in public by the camera man and he just stares back, which is where the reaction comes from.

            So as it turns out, the original meme wasn't about intimacy or emotion, it was already about a double take moment. So this entire conversation is based on the person this author quotes and just takes as fact. I don't know enough about American history to contest the claim of covering up black emotion, but it sounds valid and true to me based on the limited knowledge I have. I just don't think that memes are the correct battlefield to wage this war. I've rarely seen a meme posted about intimacy in the first place, I think a much better place would be any kind of other media where intimacy and emotion are actually center piece: Books, tv shows, movies, etc.

            And again, the fact that we're even having this dicussion still feels ridiculous to me.

            I can't say I follow the logic behind the suggestion that one's lack of intention of calling out others makes one a sensible human being.

            Apologies, I should've rephrased: In the context of this discussion, calling out people (for using memes with black people in them in the """wrong""" way) would've been enough for me to consider someone not sensible. But no one is doing that. I wasn't saying that calling out people in general makes you not sensible, or that it shouldn't be done in general.

            think the author's made a compelling argument as to why digital blackface is something we shouldn't do (being perfectly clear, of course, that "white people sharing memes of black people" is not digital blackface, as the author's piece has just explained to us).

            The problem I see with this is that it turns the simple act of sharing memes into something you can have pages of complex discussion about while at the same time giving bad actors space to take a perceived moral highground because it's just another avenue they now get to call out people on and be toxic on Twitter. Calling it digital blackface is just a very inflammatory way as well because people connect with actual blackface and equate it cause it has the same name. This is where the moral imperative is coming from in my opinion.

            Also I'm writing this in (online) class and I've had a rough week but I didn't want to keep you hanging on a reply, so I apologize if it's rambly.

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  2. [7]
    EgoEimi
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    (I'm pull-quoting from my own little mini essay comment.) I find the issue of digital blackface to be quite legitimate — and I myself am normally not very fond of some recent political correctness...

    Think of a Black woman saying "oh no she didn't, gurl" followed by a Z finger snap. It's likely you see a very vivid image in your head right now because you've seen it countless times already.

    (I'm pull-quoting from my own little mini essay comment.)

    I find the issue of digital blackface to be quite legitimate — and I myself am normally not very fond of some recent political correctness trends. Last month if you heard some faintly audible groan from some far distance beyond the earth's horizon, it was probably mine when I saw that a trans activist acquaintance from my early queer university days advocates the term "pregnant people" over "pregnant women" because trans men can get pregnant. It's like, oh come on, don't bust people's linguistic balls over something that is one in a million (and also would be maximally dysphoric anyway?).

    Anyway, coincidentally, a skeptical liberal friend of mine forwarded me a similar piece on digital blackface to ask what I thought about it — because he couldn't see the point of it. The issue of blackface has been around for a long time; the issue of digital blackface seems to be relatively new. The authors use loaded terms like "appropriation" which have been misused and are now tainted. After Tumblr and Twitter SJWs went about crusading against instances of legitimate cultural assimilation and exchange as "cultural appropriation", everyone now rolls their eyes at the mention of "appropriation". But I think these new arguments against digital blackface have strong merit.

    I think that the problem isn't people using GIFs of Black faces per se, but the leveraging of Black archetypes that are the salient features in the GIFs, thereby spreading, reinforcing, and (collectively) perpetuating certain contemporary stereotypes.

    The Black archetype in the Western imagination is one of exaggerated, entertaining emotionality. Think of a Black woman saying "oh no she didn't, gurl" followed by a Z finger snap. It's likely you see a very vivid image in your head right now because you've seen it countless times already. These images, when produced and re-produced virally in large numbers and in the absence of other counterbalancing images, subtly shape and form our imagination of how Black people can be. I think that one aggregate effect is that Black women are perceived to be comparatively masculine.

    Where I'm coming from as another minority person
    I'm hesitant to use the term "dehumanizing" because it's a very strong word and it also literally means "to deprive a person or group of positive human qualities". There are plenty of benign and ostensibly positive stereotypes. I'm Asian. Asians are perceived to be polite, industrious, intelligent, and academically-inclined. There is a lot of media that spread, reinforce, and perpetuate these images and this archetype of the polite, industrious, intelligent, and academic Asian. I'd like to say that they—in such concentration and in absence of images that depict Asians as romantic, foolhardy, brash, loud, extroverted—limit the range of archetypes that Asians can inhabit in the imaginations of others.

    Concentration of images, lack of counterbalancing images
    White people are represented abundantly in a wide range of archetypes: emotional, stoic, brilliant, stupid, rich, poor, and so on. These form people's priors about white people. Whether you use the blinking white guy GIF or not, there will be plenty of counter-images out there to balance it. The piece my skeptical liberal friend with me specifically advocates not against using GIFs of Black faces, but for being mindful and intentional about which salient features we choose those GIFs for — which I think is easy enough for us to all do.

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    1. [6]
      chrysanth
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      Right, it's only when the memes in question contribute to a narrowing of the possibilities of blackness in the social imaginary (e.g. through stereotyping) that they become digital blackface (at...

      Right, it's only when the memes in question contribute to a narrowing of the possibilities of blackness in the social imaginary (e.g. through stereotyping) that they become digital blackface (at least, this is how I'm reading you and the author of the piece).

      Distinct but related, your example made me think of this video. I'm left a bit conflicted on how to evaluate this as a cultural work, especially since it's ten years old at this point (though the tune is as catchy as ever).

      Yes, it seems to me a similar dynamic with the annihilation of certain ways of being Asian or Asian-American through media representation. As another minority, I'm inclined to believe we're all subjected to this dynamic in one way or another, the medium in the article being memes as opposed to film or television, around which conversations of representation tend to center.

      The piece my skeptical liberal friend with me specifically advocates not against using GIFs of Black faces, but for being mindful and intentional about which salient features we choose those GIFs for — which I think is easy enough for us to all do.

      This, I feel, begins to get at that radical black memeing practice the author alludes to in the conclusion. Sharing memes that expand our collective ideas about what it means to be black. I'm not active on social media, nor do I consume many memes nowadays, so I guess this discussion has limited practical application to my life, but it's intriguing to consider what other possibilities look like.

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      1. [5]
        culturedleftfoot
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        Interestingly, the next video up was this.

        Interestingly, the next video up was this.

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        1. [4]
          chrysanth
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          That's an interesting case, because it can't really be approached with the author's framework. One could use the critique of the cultural appropriation discourse to say that the piece is not...

          That's an interesting case, because it can't really be approached with the author's framework. One could use the critique of the cultural appropriation discourse to say that the piece is not necessarily racist just because "white people appropriating black culture," but since music videos aren't fungible like memes are, the rest of the framework isn't applicable.

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            NaraVara
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            Honestly I always read finger-snaps as more of a Jerry Springer/Maury Povich show thing moreso than a "Black" thing. There were plenty of trashy White people on those shows too doing the same...

            Honestly I always read finger-snaps as more of a Jerry Springer/Maury Povich show thing moreso than a "Black" thing. There were plenty of trashy White people on those shows too doing the same things before throwing chairs at each other.

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            1. culturedleftfoot
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              One could argue that's another example of wider low-income American culture subsuming Black expression, just possibly before you realized it.

              One could argue that's another example of wider low-income American culture subsuming Black expression, just possibly before you realized it.

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          2. culturedleftfoot
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            Without knowing the context of the original music video (I assume it was just some sort of minor viral hit), nor having finished the article in the OP because I disagreed with the initial premise,...

            Without knowing the context of the original music video (I assume it was just some sort of minor viral hit), nor having finished the article in the OP because I disagreed with the initial premise, I wouldn't suggest this is anything approaching appropriation nor blackface. I've been mulling over some thoughts (re: exposure to Black people primarily coming through entertainment) that may or may not be worth articulating, but I should RTFA first.

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  3. [6]
    Atvelonis
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    Thank you for sharing this very interesting article. Whittaker makes a very reasonable, nuanced analysis of a phenomenon I was familiar with at a high level but had never seen described as...

    Thank you for sharing this very interesting article. Whittaker makes a very reasonable, nuanced analysis of a phenomenon I was familiar with at a high level but had never seen described as "digital blackface." Spillers and Hartman, as always, introduce some very important concepts in our understanding of contemporary racial discourse.

    Spillers and, especially forcefully, Saidiya Hartman have argued that this fungibility did not disappear when slavery did. We live in what Hartman calls “the afterlives of slavery,” and much of what was true then is true now. A prime example often pointed to is that of images of black death and the black dead. These images – of George Floyd, of Breonna Taylor, of Tony McDade – and, worse, the videos of the their murder, the brutal beating of black children, etc., are heavily circulated through social media and news reports. This repetition, these theorists argue, is an aestheticization of the spectacular violence that defines antiblackness. There’s much to say here; the point for the present is that this circulation reduces the human character of what’s portrayed into fodder for clicks, likes, and views. These images are not employed for the sake of a radical politics or emotional affiliation, but as products in service of the pursuit of profit.

    In this vein we are working somewhat within the postmodern, at least to the extent that in the context of the internet we are led to a system of traumatic recurrence that characterizes Black trauma as an "aesthetic," a self-fulfilling cycle in our age of capitalism and very much a harmful one to the collective identity-actualization of the Black community targeted indirectly by this material. But I agree with Whittaker that this line of reasoning breaks down somewhat when the content being shared is a meme disconnected from trauma, not only because memes are inherently a "reduction or annihilation" of the "real" (assuming, for the sake of argument, the intelligibility of such a thing within the hyperreal context of the internet), i.e. it is their nature to be "fungible," but additionally because the online medium to some measure creates a magnified variant of the already non-computable problem of discerning the "trueness" of a person's stated racial identity—that is to say, the "prescriptive" notion of verifying who is Black and who is White through an "objective" lens (disregarding subjective identities) can for obvious reasons already be an unintelligible one in the real world, and becomes infinitely more unintelligible when obscured through pseudonyms and avatars: the hyperreal at play. Within the realm of theory we may analyze the semantics of meme distribution on a basis of a determinable morality if we are assume a system of defined acceptability and unbounded time and resources to distinguish Black from White (on behalf of the subject(s) of the meme and the persons involved in its sharing); but again this is merely an exercise and cannot for all intents and purposes be taken as a realistic course of action in the "real" world, where there is more content to be analyzed than we are fundamentally capable of analyzing, both in regard to memes and personal beliefs about one's identity.

    So not only is it somewhat pointless to suppose in practice that we ought to universally assign truth values to the morality of a specific person's supposed inhabitation of a Black body via the digital medium, but, to return from my logical extreme to Whittaker's actual argument, memes as we know them today are something of a construct of the internet and not the "real" world, and, unlike the explicit and determined fungibility associated with the Atlantic Slave Trade, "underdetermined, by which I mean they open themselves up to a vast multiplicity of meanings." I feel that this term can be very useful in our understanding of semantic and semiotic subjectivism. What I think is important to bear in mind here is that memes, as Whittaker implies, are less of a specific, unified construct and more of a medium or modality of discourse. Language, for example, has the capacity to introduce a specific emotionally and culturally harmful social recognition of the manner of being of a given racial group by means of stereotypical or degrading terminology, structures, and assumptions (among other things), perhaps unbeknownst to the audience and/or author—and can therefore serve as an incredibly useful framework through which to analyze case studies—but has no inherent quality prescribing racist or otherwise discriminatory meaning; that is, unless we are to subscribe to a strong form of linguistic determinism. Similarly, memes can be used effectively to make a point about societal attitudes, behaviors, and even individual subconscious mental processes related to the interplay of race with the lived experiences necessarily accompanying one's inhabitation of the human condition, but are not in and of themselves (or in context) necessarily instances of racial signification. Taylor's example of the meme of the boy moving his eyes away from the camera being used in an implicitly racial context is a remarkable instance of emergent racial semantics in the use of a meme that is otherwise not specifically racialized. Thus, per Whittaker, the meme has become "overdetermined." It would be important to note that the author of said meme in the stated context would not necessarily have to have assigned it a juxtaposition to "that white people shit" on purpose, but focusing on that detail somewhat misses the point of an overdetermination occurring at all (whether conscious or subconscious), and why that can be problematic in the context of racial stereotypes.

    This is digital blackface. The problem isn’t that nonblack people are “pretending to be us,” or that black people are being reduced to fungible. Digital blackface is actively skewing our perception of what blackness contains, and thus what possibilities are open to all of us, regardless of phenotype (if, that is, I and hooks are right). Importantly, though, this is possible because memes are underdetermined and fungible; it is because memes in general are open to this kind of manipulation and projection that a distinctly antiblack manipulation and projection can happen.

    I'll admit I've never actually gotten around to reading anything by bell hooks (I own a copy of All About Love: New Visions, but have not touched it yet), but the observation she makes earlier in Whittaker's essay is certainly interesting and inclines me toward putting her work higher on the list. The conclusion that Whittaker makes based on the analysis presented by hooks and the other authors cited in the essay is one that I wish I had the eloquence to articulate: "what would – as silly as it may sound – a generative, radical, socially connective, powerfully black memeing practice look like?" I'm not sure either: I'd also like to find out.

    Something else I found extremely interesting in Whittaker's essay:

    Editorial note: The author prefers to leave “black” uncapitalized, in order to resist the notion that ‘blackness’ is a coherent, discrete, and sovereign Identity.

    I've just recently gotten into the habit of capitalizing the term in my writing, so this is an interesting take. My impression is that there has been a growing sense of a "Black" identity in the wake (à la Christina Sharpe) of rising recognition of and opposition toward Black violence, although this may ultimately be an American phenomenon. Whittaker, like the people who have asked me in the past to make this stylistic decision, is himself Black (as far as I can tell), so I am somewhat at a loss as to what precisely should be done in this regard.

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    1. [5]
      chrysanth
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      I think I lost you a bit here, @Atvelonis. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying memes are like language in the sense that meaning is mediated through language, not that language...

      What I think is important to bear in mind here is that memes, as Whittaker implies, are less of a specific, unified construct and more of a medium or modality of discourse. Language, for example, has the capacity to introduce a specific emotionally and culturally harmful social recognition of the manner of being of a given racial group by means of stereotypical or degrading terminology, structures, and assumptions (among other things), perhaps unbeknownst to the audience and/or author—and can therefore serve as an incredibly useful framework through which to analyze case studies—but has no inherent quality prescribing racist or otherwise discriminatory meaning; that is, unless we are to subscribe to a strong form of linguistic determinism.

      I think I lost you a bit here, @Atvelonis. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying memes are like language in the sense that meaning is mediated through language, not that language itself has intrinsic meaning (which would be linguistic determinism), right? We can introduce "emotionally and culturally harmful social recognition of the manner of being of a specific group" through memes (and language), but memes (or language) alone cannot constitute that harmful social recognition, since that meaning would need to be attributed to them by an observer who interprets it?

      I've just recently gotten into the habit of capitalizing the term in my writing, so this is an interesting take.

      I was just as surprised as you to find this note at the end of the article as well. I began capitalizing Black after reading Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor's #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation, following her lead in that work, but I think after reading Whittaker's piece I'm more inclined to leave it uncapitalized? I think capitalization ascribes a kind of unity or oneness to blackness that is often projected onto it even when it is not always present (or usually present). I think of the piece I submitted a few months ago written by Olúfẹ́mi Táíwò where he mentions how uncomfortable he is with a prescription that can increasingly be found online to "center Black voices" (or any other marginalized group) and how it does not necessarily presuppose the agreement of those voices in theory, but it does in practice, thus flattening black thought and leading to the centering of elite Black voices who have the privilege of being in the room, to the detriment of any others. Maybe we make a similar mistake when we capitalize Black or Blackness. I remember writing an article for a publication in university a few years ago and my (student) editor instructing me to capitalize the word "Socialism," and I was uncomfortable because I felt it presumed a singular socialism, when in reality there are many socialisms in theory and in practice that we should speak about in distinction to one another, since they prioritize different changes in different aspects of society and may even contradict one another. Perhaps one could decide based on the context whether or not to capitalize? So if one is discussing diversity of opinion and experience, leave it uncapitalized? But what if you use the word different ways in the same piece of writing? That violates the common standard of keeping your conventions consistent in the same piece of work. It's certainly a difficult question to answer.

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      1. [4]
        Atvelonis
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        Yes, that's what I was going for. As far as I'm concerned, language on its own is just a process to convey a series of concepts experienced in your mind, in the same way as a visual art like...

        If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying memes are like language in the sense that meaning is mediated through language…

        Yes, that's what I was going for. As far as I'm concerned, language on its own is just a process to convey a series of concepts experienced in your mind, in the same way as a visual art like painting; i.e. they are channels for information and not really information as such. A meme is just the multimedia synthesis of various forms of expression. I think we can assume closure under the union of those individual media, so something like a meme has the same properties as its constituent parts.

        I actually don't have a problem with mild forms of linguistic relativism: I probably wouldn't go full Saussure and say that word predates idea (see: "Course in General Linguistics," 1916), but I don't think it's unreasonable to suppose that there are certain constructs in language that can subconsciously influence the way we think. I'm not really multilingual, but I'm pretty sure I fundamentally formulate my thoughts differently in English than I do in French, which is is proof enough of this to me. Each language lacks or avoids certain constructs that are in the other, so when I'm actually thinking in a given language, I have a different set of tools to work with than in any other given language. I still have the same brain, so it's not like I'm incapable of reaching the same conclusions in some way or another, but in practice I might not, or if I do, I might get about it differently. I just think it would be a little excessive to say anything explicitly deterministic about all linguistic signs in a given language having a specific, shared meaning in their collective usage. Under the same logic, it would be odd to say that all possible memes in a given format (e.g. containing Black people) qualify as racially harmful or insensitive if shared by a White person. It's not that they can't individually contain racist messaging or implications, but I hesitate when I see universal statements like that.

        I am not a linguist and mostly just come across these concepts in works of literary theory that touch on semantics or semiotics in order to make a point about literature or culture. I have never gone beyond cursory readings of many important linguists like Noam Chomsky, and am not qualified to really talk about linguistics from a scientific or epistemological perspective, though I may attempt it sometimes.

        I think capitalization ascribes a kind of unity or oneness to blackness that is often projected onto it even when it is not always present (or usually present).

        Right, that's the concern I'm having now with committing to this stylistic choice for a sociological reason. Your reference to Táíwò is very apt, and this all reminds me of a situation I recently found myself in. Some months ago a strike was held in my real-world community in reaction to what many community members felt was a continued institutional indifference toward racial discrimination and other unsavory attitudes (conscious or otherwise). I agreed at least vaguely with most of the demands and was involved in documenting the event, but I was a little uncomfortable with some of the strike's messaging, which either explicitly or implicitly suggested that participating was necessarily "beneficial for Black community members." Some White community members were so adamant about striking ("for racial justice") that they even tried to pressure Black members who weren't on board into joining on the basis that it would help the majority even if a minority of Black people found it unhelpful. I have to squint pretty hard to consider that appropriate. Obviously a decision to capitalize a certain letter doesn't operate at that same level of assumption, but it's still a pitfall I'd like to be careful to avoid. I'm not sure there is a way to avoid it except to make it a personal decision, rather than one based in deference to the "[marginalized] group opinion," though that ignores the whole idea of "listening first." I suppose I'll just have to reflect on it more.

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          chrysanth
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          I see, thank you for the clarification! That seems intuitive to me now that you've explained, I have a similar experience constructing my thoughts differently when thinking in different languages....

          I see, thank you for the clarification! That seems intuitive to me now that you've explained, I have a similar experience constructing my thoughts differently when thinking in different languages. I was asking since I was particularly interested in any theorists of linguistics you've read, I haven't spent any time reading on that though I have absorbed some of this through readings on unrelated subjects (e.g. some of Derrida's linguistics in a piece by Stuart Hall in an African American studies class). Lots on my list of books to read already so what's a few more?

          Gosh, with regards to your anecdote, all I can say is "yikes." The pressure to perform racial justice, even when its performance and its realization are in such tension with one another, seems so strong nowadays. I've felt this in some organizing spaces I've been in as well, and it produces some very perverse incentives. I hope, regardless of that overzealousness, that the efforts of your group were successful in achieving more positive outcomes for POCs.

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            Atvelonis
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            If you really want to go down the theory rabbit-hole, the Norton Anthology of Theory and Criticism, 3rd ed. is one of the most detailed collections of such materials I am aware of. The book is...

            If you really want to go down the theory rabbit-hole, the Norton Anthology of Theory and Criticism, 3rd ed. is one of the most detailed collections of such materials I am aware of. The book is monstrously long—over 2800 pages—and still far from comprehensive. There is just so much to read! Some of the critics in the compendium are linguists, anthropologists, or sociologists; some are authors who simply talk about language (or applications of language). Almost every single one of them are also men, so take that as you will. Below are several such critics; most of the works listed are in the anthology, though a few are not.

            • Ferdinand de Saussure, "Course in General Linguistics" (1916)
            • Zora Neale Hurston, "Characteristics of Negro Expression" (1934)
            • Mikhail Bakhtin, "Discourse in the Novel" (1934–1935/1973)
            • William Wimsatt & Monroe Beardsley, "The Intentional Fallacy" (1946); "The Affective Fallacy" (1949)
            • Martin Heidegger, "Language" (1950)
            • Claude Lévi-Strauss, "Tristes Tropiques" (1955/1961)
            • Roman Jakobson, "Two Aspects of Language and Two Types of Aphasic Disturbances" (1956); "Linguistics and Poetics" (1960)
            • Roland Barthes, "Introduction to the Structural Analysis of Narrative" "Elements of Semiology" (1964/1968); (1966/1975); "The Fashion System" (1967)
            • Jacques Derrida, "Of Grammatology" (1967); "Speech and Phenomena"; (1967); "Writing and Difference" (1967)
            • Tzvetan Todorov & Arnold Weinstein, "Structural Analysis of Narrative" (1969)
            • Paul de Man, "Semiology and Rhetoric" (1973); "Allegories of Reading" (1979)
            • Julia Kristeva, "Revolution in Poetic Language" (1974/1984)
            • Adūnīs, "An Introduction to Arab Poetics" (1991)

            These are mostly essays and a few books. That list may be slightly heavy on structuralists, who are at least partially outmoded in linguistics but not so in literary theory (for the same reason that Freud is still so relevant to literary analysis). Saussure, for instance, has many ideas that I understand Chomsky et al. have largely refuted. But it's not like his work doesn't contain any useful information to linguists and/or frameworks through which to analyze literature; many elements of his formulation of semiotics, for example, are critical. Martin Heidegger had some interesting thoughts on the way language shapes one's perception of the world; he was also a member of Germany's Nazi Party. And though I entirely disagree with formalists like Wimsatt and Beardsley, they had good reasons for trying to democratize literary analysis given the context they were writing in; that is, they sought to move it away the literary tradition accepted by the academy.

            The interesting thing about theory is that it's able to build on itself in very unpredictable ways over time, old and new theories constantly being revived and discredited and adapted and paraded and denounced and what have you. Hopefully you find this useful. I really would recommend buying the anthology if you want to read all of these, as it's quite convenient and you will stumble across interesting works by many other authors too.

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            1. chrysanth
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              Yes, very useful! I can't say I will buy the anthology, but I will be more than happy to explore some of these essays with copies I'm sure are easily available online (thank goodness for...

              Yes, very useful! I can't say I will buy the anthology, but I will be more than happy to explore some of these essays with copies I'm sure are easily available online (thank goodness for university access to academic journals).

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