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Is there another Wagner insurrection coming?

21 comments

  1. [16]
    honzabe
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    Videos by Anders Puck Nielsen seem very well thought out to me but I want to avoid getting into some sort of bubble. I value the feedback one can get at Tildes and it would be interesting to read...

    Videos by Anders Puck Nielsen seem very well thought out to me but I want to avoid getting into some sort of bubble. I value the feedback one can get at Tildes and it would be interesting to read any critique you can have.

    11 votes
    1. [14]
      GalileoPotato
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      Not to be negative, and I hope that's not your takeaway from this, but youtube political hot takes from a dude sitting in front of his computer are not newsworthy or noteworthy. We don't know...

      Not to be negative, and I hope that's not your takeaway from this, but youtube political hot takes from a dude sitting in front of his computer are not newsworthy or noteworthy. We don't know what's going to happen. I recommend that you pick an official news source that doesn't inflate your expectations and go from there. My personal pick is PBS news hour because it tells me everything I need to know in an hour so that I can go about my day before and after.

      28 votes
      1. [6]
        vektor
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        AP Nielsen is hardly just a dude sitting in front of his computer. - of course, the usual caveats apply and one person a balanced media diet does not make, no matter how well-informed. But I...

        AP Nielsen is hardly just a dude sitting in front of his computer. - of course, the usual caveats apply and one person a balanced media diet does not make, no matter how well-informed. But I certainly think there's a place for people with relevant expertise, and that place is usually not afforded them by mainstream sources. Not that I'm conspiratorial about that, mainstream sources just don't have the time to let every relevant expert be heard. But I've observed the same during Covid, when the big media publications would give you a good enough overview of what's going on, but reputable experts with a more or less direct channel to their audience always have important stuff to say. Whether that's worth your time is your own decisions to make.

        24 votes
        1. [5]
          honzabe
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          I would add that "expertise" can come from surprising places. You are right that one should make sure to consume a balanced media diet. But I am yet to find a mainstream source providing analysis...

          I would add that "expertise" can come from surprising places. You are right that one should make sure to consume a balanced media diet. But I am yet to find a mainstream source providing analysis of the same quality and depth that for example Perun... and he could easily be labeled as "just a dude sitting in front of his computer".

          12 votes
          1. [4]
            vektor
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            I'm fairly certain Perun has some amount of privileged information, and/or deals professionally in some of the topics he talks about. My best guess is he works in Australian procurement, or a...

            I'm fairly certain Perun has some amount of privileged information, and/or deals professionally in some of the topics he talks about. My best guess is he works in Australian procurement, or a related sector/business.

            He's good at what he does: Defense economics.

            Though to be quite fair, he's not verifiably an expert, and all we have to verify his work is... his work. What I appreciate about Perun is that he does "slow news". He's the first to say "let's not talk about X for now, because we don't know enough yet". I appreciate that immensely.

            12 votes
            1. [2]
              smoontjes
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              I wish he was more upfront about his credentials. While I understand his need/desire to remain anonymous, I feel bad whenever I recommend him because nobody really knows who he is or how much...

              I wish he was more upfront about his credentials. While I understand his need/desire to remain anonymous, I feel bad whenever I recommend him because nobody really knows who he is or how much legitimacy to ascribe to him.

              But on the other hand, having watched every single one of his videos, he obviously is extremely knowledgeable. It would just be nice to be able to say "check out this Australian military person of such-and-such rank and level of education."

              6 votes
              1. Kitahara_Kazusa
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                There's that one time Richard Irons from some Australian think tank called Perun out as being some of the best analysis of the war you could find anywhere online. Specifically in regards to his...

                There's that one time Richard Irons from some Australian think tank called Perun out as being some of the best analysis of the war you could find anywhere online. Specifically in regards to his analysis of the value that western jets provide.

                3 votes
            2. honzabe
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              Yep, to all you say. I would add that he is getting pretty well known (I just checked - 437K subscribers, wow) and being known has advantages. If I remember correctly, he said that people from the...

              Yep, to all you say. I would add that he is getting pretty well known (I just checked - 437K subscribers, wow) and being known has advantages. If I remember correctly, he said that people from the front-line contact him, he gets to interview people who certainly do have access to information.

              2 votes
      2. [5]
        honzabe
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        I respectfully disagree. Anders Puck Nielsen is not just some random dude, he is a pretty respected expert. I am interested in this topic and want more than just "go about my day" - it is...

        I respectfully disagree.

        1. Anders Puck Nielsen is not just some random dude, he is a pretty respected expert.
        2. I am interested in this topic and want more than just "go about my day" - it is perfectly fine if you don't but I was hoping there would be people who find value in analysis, discussion about it and predictions
        13 votes
        1. [4]
          TreeFiddyFiddy
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          Could you help other users like me who are not familiar with him understand his qualifications? Who is he and why is he a trusted expert?

          Could you help other users like me who are not familiar with him understand his qualifications? Who is he and why is he a trusted expert?

          9 votes
          1. [3]
            honzabe
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            He is a Danish military analyst and naval officer. He is pretty well known in Danish environment (on TV a lot) but honestly, I personally did not care about any of that. I recommend his videos to...

            He is a Danish military analyst and naval officer. He is pretty well known in Danish environment (on TV a lot) but honestly, I personally did not care about any of that. I recommend his videos to people because I consider his arguments smart and well founded. I would recommend even the aforementioned random "dude" if I thought his analysis was of high quality. I do not have much respect for the authority of being someone well known - there are famous experts whose arguments I consider simplistic and/or nonsensical.

            11 votes
            1. babypuncher
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              Being well-known alone doesn't make for a good "authority", but relevant education, credentials, and experience all do. I typicall value these things above what I think of the individual...

              I do not have much respect for the authority of being someone well known

              Being well-known alone doesn't make for a good "authority", but relevant education, credentials, and experience all do. I typicall value these things above what I think of the individual arguments, because I usually lack the depth of understanding to truly assess the quality of said arguments.

              4 votes
            2. TreeFiddyFiddy
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              I fully agree with you, being well known or even sometimes credentialed does not mean that someone is intelligent or can speak intelligently about a certain topic. There are certainly YouTube...

              I fully agree with you, being well known or even sometimes credentialed does not mean that someone is intelligent or can speak intelligently about a certain topic. There are certainly YouTube "laymen" who are well versed in subjects and can speak very well to them but on the flip-side the age of TikTok and easy access to say whatever you want about a subject should also give us caution. But thank you for explaining who he is, it really helps me see how to approach his analysis

              3 votes
      3. [2]
        mandrake
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        I'm right there with you, on the strategy to choose news sources. My only sources are: Associated Press News (for the headlines), Al Jazeera (for the different perspective) and The Atlantic...

        I'm right there with you, on the strategy to choose news sources.
        My only sources are: Associated Press News (for the headlines), Al Jazeera (for the different perspective) and The Atlantic magazine (for deeper more literary journalism). But AP News is a bit saturated already so I probably will check PBS NewsHour as per your recommendation.

        2 votes
        1. Kitahara_Kazusa
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          I mean that's fine if you just want a general understanding of what's going on, but someone who reads/listens to multiple analysts, Russian military Telegram, in addition to the more normal...

          I mean that's fine if you just want a general understanding of what's going on, but someone who reads/listens to multiple analysts, Russian military Telegram, in addition to the more normal sources is going to be more informed about the war than you are.

          7 votes
    2. vektor
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      Observing Betteridge's Law of Headlines a bit, and such. Nielsen is appropriately cautious about actually making predictions. But I think there's currently a crass lack of explanations for why the...

      Observing Betteridge's Law of Headlines a bit, and such. Nielsen is appropriately cautious about actually making predictions. But I think there's currently a crass lack of explanations for why the coup attempt happened the way it did. We know a few things - that he attempted to go for Gerasimov and Shoigu in Rostov. So maybe the drive on Moscow wasn't part of the original plan. That the FSB was on his heels, and he had to move the timeline up. But why he accepted this deal is still a big mystery. And while what Nielsen conjectures here is of course only that, a conjecture, it's as good a guess as we have right now for why Prigo would accept this deal, considering every internet comment section already knows he signed his death warrant when he took it.

      So yeah. Not impossible in my opinion, but it's of course speculation and we don't know enough for any degree of certainty. And while a compelling hypothesis, it's IMO not compelling enough (for lack of evidence mostly) to stop looking for other explanations.

      9 votes
  2. [3]
    smoontjes
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    Nice surprise to see his content getting posted to Tildes! I feel he's one of the best sources on the conflict, been following him since the first few times he appeared on TV - I stopped watching...

    Nice surprise to see his content getting posted to Tildes! I feel he's one of the best sources on the conflict, been following him since the first few times he appeared on TV - I stopped watching Krigens Døgn though as the host is so bad that it's distracting lol

    6 votes
    1. [2]
      Kitahara_Kazusa
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      I think most of his videos are pretty good, but honestly I'm not so sure about this one. I think he's on a lot of copium if he thinks Prigozhin has any way to make himself relevant in the future,...

      I think most of his videos are pretty good, but honestly I'm not so sure about this one. I think he's on a lot of copium if he thinks Prigozhin has any way to make himself relevant in the future, the Russian MoD is in the process of seizing all of Wagner's heavy equipment and most Russian sources are saying that the large majority of Wagner is going to choose to remain in Russia rather than going to Belarus with Pringles.

      He's still got the broad strokes right and I appreciate that he's helping to shut down the idea that the coup was some elaborate ruse. But I don't see any other credible sources talking like Wagner is going to remain remotely relevant in the future, except as an augmentation of Belarus's military.

      3 votes
      1. honzabe
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        I like his videos because they seem grounded and logical but one must always remember that there is no single source that can be trusted without doubt in the fog of war. Nielsen is a part of NATO...

        I like his videos because they seem grounded and logical but one must always remember that there is no single source that can be trusted without doubt in the fog of war. Nielsen is a part of NATO structures. He might be saying what he believes to be true and he might be saying what NATO wants Russians to think. NATO would want Russians wasting resources on Prigozhin even if he was done.

        3 votes
  3. [2]
    Tigress
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    My question given the reasons he laid out, is why then would Putin even allow Prigozhin to live? I mean I'd suspect if this guy is right, Putin would be well aware of all those factors... and it...

    My question given the reasons he laid out, is why then would Putin even allow Prigozhin to live? I mean I'd suspect if this guy is right, Putin would be well aware of all those factors... and it sounds like Putin would have been much better off making an example of the guy. But I'm not knowledgeable in exactly what went down when Prigozhin backed off, maybe Prigozhin was threatening enough Putin felt it was more important to stop him even if that meant (for now) letting him live? Or maybe another commenter is right and that the guy in the video is wrong about Prigozhin setting himself up for a second attempt and has been mostly neutured by what happened.

    5 votes
    1. honzabe
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      That is a good question question. I am not an expert but using just common sense, I imagine that killing someone with a private army is not that easy. Prigozhin has not only some firepower at his...

      My question given the reasons he laid out, is why then would Putin even allow Prigozhin to live?

      That is a good question question. I am not an expert but using just common sense, I imagine that killing someone with a private army is not that easy. Prigozhin has not only some firepower at his disposal - more importantly, you don't build a private army without accumulating a lot of knowledge, connections and powerful allies. He almost certainly has some people inside Putin's security apparatus Putin is aware of that. Although what do I know, I have not built any private army yet and I can only imagine what it entails.

      2 votes