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Let's talk about the new Batman movie!

I realized there's no topic about it yet, so let's share our impressions!

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  1. deknalis
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    Not too much to say directly about the movie that hasn't already been said except that it seems untenable to make a modern Batman movie and not address Bruce Wayne's wealth and privilege if you...

    Not too much to say directly about the movie that hasn't already been said except that it seems untenable to make a modern Batman movie and not address Bruce Wayne's wealth and privilege if you actually want to be taken seriously as a dramatic and political text, and this balanced subtlety and unsaid thorniness of its subject matter pretty well with all the usual blockbuster narrative and thematic beats.

    Somewhat tangentially, a lot of these genre riff superhero movies feel purely like aesthetic exercises, and I wanted to compliment this one for actually retaining some of the actual meaning and purpose in the noir/grunge influences it pulls from. Lots of cool parallel voyeurism between Batman and Riddler that reminded me of a giallo or Manhunter, the Catwoman femme fatale routine actually had something under the surface with her vulnerabilities and personas (Kravitz is the best performance in this if you ask me). The interrogation scene reminded me a lot of Kurosawa's High and Low with its handling of reflections and enclosed space as a class disparity powder keg.

    10 votes
  2. Nivlak
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    I thought it was a good take on the beginnings of Batman. You can tell they paid attention to everything Christopher Nolan did well. The gritty realism of Gotham City is really well done in this...

    I thought it was a good take on the beginnings of Batman. You can tell they paid attention to everything Christopher Nolan did well. The gritty realism of Gotham City is really well done in this film. I had no problem with the longer run time because there were really great shots and they blended well with the mood of the film.

    The acting was great, no complaints about casting. I’ve seen people say Pattinson was not a great Bruce Wayne but I feel like they missed the point. He was intentionally not a god Bruce Wayne in the film, he hadn’t really stepped into that role yet and was mostly just focused on vengeance and fear which comes back to get him in the end. His version of Batman was also intentionally kind of reckless and not used to the gig yet, imo.

    Great villain in the Riddler in this film, but I feel like they really leaned into what Heath Ledger did a bit too much. It almost felt like the exact same as TDK, they even have a similar interrogation scene with him in Arkham.

    6 votes
  3. Dobbie03
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    I saw this yesterday with my two sons, one of who is a HUGE fan of Keaton era Batman. Personally I really enjoyed it, yeah there are flaws but the overall feeling of the movie was awesome. The...

    I saw this yesterday with my two sons, one of who is a HUGE fan of Keaton era Batman.

    Personally I really enjoyed it, yeah there are flaws but the overall feeling of the movie was awesome. The soundtrack was very cool as well. This is a completely personal observation, to me it made the Bale Trilogy almost feel a little cartoonish in comparison.

    The Riddler was a great villan, it would have been cool to see more of him.

    The Batmobile was my highlight. I made so much fun of Robert Pattison being selected to play Batman when I first heard the news, I am happy to say I was so wrong.

    Either way, I was a very satisfied Batman Fanboi.

    5 votes
  4. lou
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    I almost feel I should apologize because at this point saying I didn't like The Batman all that much feels like saying Al Pacino is overrated and Godfather is a snoozefest. But here you go,...

    I almost feel I should apologize because at this point saying I didn't like The Batman all that much feels like saying Al Pacino is overrated and Godfather is a snoozefest. But here you go, internet: I don't think The Batman is as good as you think. I'll be succinct:

    • while skipping Batman's backstory is a bold and refreshing choice, narrating it through exceptionally uninteresting dialogue is a bad way to solve the problem.
    • the script is full of "talking heads", and does a bad job following the "show, don't tell" adage. People never seem to shut up in this movie. Essential passages are not staged, and everything is fed onto us through very obvious, boring, descriptive dialogue lines, including recordings and Jeffrey Wright literally reading from a book.
      • a good example of the above is the scene when Carmine Falcone reminds Bruce of his history with Thomas Wayne. A weak dialogue which could have been a vibrant flashback. In fact, I have seen that scene before in either the comics or animation (can't remember which right now. Maybe both).
    • This movie is 3 hours long and it feels like 3 hours. If Dune doesn't need 3 hours, The Batman certainly doesn't need it either.
    • I'm sorry, but the conclusion of the main subplot is "Gotham cops are corrupt"? Really? Can you be more obvious?

    That is not to say that the movie isn't full of very cool stuff, great performances, and inventive ideas! I believe, unlike me, most people can easily ignore the bad bits because the good stuff is really good. I won't write much about those because that's what everyone is talking about. But the confrontation between Batman and The Riddler (in the prison) should be immortalized as one of the best dialogues in the history of film. Paul Dano deserves an Oscar just for that scene!

    4 votes
  5. autumn
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    We just got out of the theater. It did not feel like a three hour movie to me, but I’m a Robert Pattinson fan (since The Lighthouse). The acting was fantastic, and at the end, I asked my partner...

    We just got out of the theater. It did not feel like a three hour movie to me, but I’m a Robert Pattinson fan (since The Lighthouse). The acting was fantastic, and at the end, I asked my partner who Colin Farrell played, haha. The costumes were great, Gotham was gritty, and this is the first I remember Batman actually helping people rather than only straight violence (thinking of the scene with the helicopter lift). The parachute scene killed me with how cartoonish it was, but not in a bad way. I also learned I’m really bad at riddles.

    4 votes
  6. [2]
    cloud_loud
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    So I just saw the movie after much delay on my part. The thing I don’t get is why everyone is comparing this one to Nolan’s. It felt much closer in tone, style, and production design to Burton’s...

    So I just saw the movie after much delay on my part.

    The thing I don’t get is why everyone is comparing this one to Nolan’s. It felt much closer in tone, style, and production design to Burton’s take on the character. Nolan’s films are set in what is essentially the real world, a fictionalized version but still pretty close. Gotham is essentially NYC or Chicago.

    This is much more fantastical and comic booky. It’s silly in the way that Nolan’s movies aren’t, Nolan’s trilogy took itself rather seriously. The world is heightened to such an extent that Gotham may as well be detached from reality. The performances also reflect this, I mean just compare what Dano and Farrell are doing to what Cillian and Ledger did in their films. Dano and Farrell are going BIG. They’re hamming it up. Not that Ledger’s performance was subtle, but it was grounded.

    I liked the movie overall but it was way too long, unnecessarily. I liked Pattinson and Kravitz in their role. I liked Farrell a lot, I thought he was the stand out and Dano was also great. There were tense moments.

    Cinematography and Sound are top notch. The score is incredible. The make-up is Oscar worthy. But it’s all let down by an uneven script that lacks focus and convolutes things to such an extent that it feels like they needed one more re-write.

    3 votes
    1. lou
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      I believe that the comparison to Nolan, particularly The Dark Knight, comes from the assumption that it was the previous benchmark for a "top Batman" film, which The Batman has just surpassed. I...

      I believe that the comparison to Nolan, particularly The Dark Knight, comes from the assumption that it was the previous benchmark for a "top Batman" film, which The Batman has just surpassed. I personally disagree with the later asessment, but that's what it seems to be going on.

      3 votes
  7. soks_n_sandals
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    I saw the film last night and really enjoyed it. I haven't been to a theater in years and this was my first film back. We saw it in a really nice theater and I was floored by the sound design. The...

    I saw the film last night and really enjoyed it. I haven't been to a theater in years and this was my first film back. We saw it in a really nice theater and I was floored by the sound design. The bass design especially was really neat. I've never heard stereo bass or so much inaudible low end that slammed into the chair in a movie before.

    I did find the movie a touch long but I appreciate the bravery of telling a 3 hour story. I liked the stereotypical cop dialog and appreciated that Pattinson wasn't overly intense on screen. I also really wanted him to say more when he was in screen as batman, but I though there was good restraint in not having him talk and instead let the silence set the scene.

    Overall I really preferred it to the Nolan films but that's just my opinion. Nolan's films were obviously top notch.

    3 votes
  8. Muffin
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    I found the film needlessly long, filled with bad dialogue and just not that interesting. Some cool cinematography, Pattison and Kravitz are great. I found myself thinking about The Dark Knight as...

    I found the film needlessly long, filled with bad dialogue and just not that interesting. Some cool cinematography, Pattison and Kravitz are great. I found myself thinking about The Dark Knight as this film just kept on going and going while giving me very few reasons to stay invested.

    2 votes
  9. ThatFanficGuy
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    Did you guys know you can see the film in Russia because Russia has legalized... coughs in fist "parallel exports" of international film releases? So yeah, don't fucking blame me. I really wanted...

    Did you guys know you can see the film in Russia because Russia has legalized... coughs in fist "parallel exports" of international film releases?

    So yeah, don't fucking blame me. I really wanted to see it.

    Found the new take on Batman very interesting. Intense, grim, stylish.

    Surprisingly, Pattinson kills it as Batman. Did not expect that kinda performance, though I did enjoy his role in Tenet. "Young" Batman makes for an interesting perspective into the mind of someone whom we're used to seeing as a mature, capable detective and combatant. This one clearly has a lot of work to do, which makes for a nice contrast with the previous modern iterations of Batman (Bale's, primarily).

    Colin Farrell kills it as Cobblepot. Excellent rendition of a frankly abused character, making him very human and capable. Farrell's performance and the film's characterization of him seal him as the best Cobblepot I've ever seen. (How the blabbering idiots in order media get to become chiefs of crime eludes me. This one may well.)

    The Riddler is Heath Ledger's Joker-grade character. Exceptional reimagination of a daft and tired old character. Again, Paul Dano's performance and the overall concept elevate him above all other renditions I've encountered. Made him feel very real, as a character.

    The Catwoman did nothing for me, as usual. They gave her alter ego an interesting twist (and more life along with it), but the fact that she's the same regular Catwoman (except maybe possibly bi) does nothing for me. I have zero tangents to map her to, which makes her a boring character for me.

    Would be fun to see Andy Serkis play an Alfred who has to dust off his old chops as a special forces operator at some point. He can sell it. His performance in the later half of the film was pretty good.

    Batman's backstory getting a tangible yet unsolvable mystery was a good move, as far as I'm concerned. Over at TV Tropes, one suggestion was that by keeping it out of Bruce's reach, the question of his parents' murder forces him to continue being Batman 'cause there's no way for this drive to cease. This makes more sense than him finally getting (or having the wherewithal to avoid) his revenge.

    The soundtrack was killer. Loved the motif. Ramin Djawadi did something similar, structurally, with his soundtrack of Person of Interest. Worked great there, works great here.

    I'm into three-hour films so long as they have something to show for it. This one had enough. If the sequels (of an announced trilogy) are to have the same level of quality and a three-hour runtime each, I'm game.

    Batman being lowkey was very cool to see. That lense is pretty sci-fi even today, and that fuckin' jet engine seems a bit like overkill (but then what the hell do I know about cars), but overall, the groundedness of everything that's happening was a very pleasant surprise. I'm okay with just about this much sci-fi in there, as long as everything else sticks close to the ground.

    Overall, I'm just one step away from saying I loved the film. Not sure what that step is, but it's just not in me to make it. Excited for whatever sequels there are to come.

    2 votes
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    For those of us who were waiting... The Batman is out on DVD! And streaming. But don't bother. I give it two thumbs down. Twenty years ago this movie would have been genre altering. But this movie...

    For those of us who were waiting... The Batman is out on DVD! And streaming.

    But don't bother. I give it two thumbs down.

    Twenty years ago this movie would have been genre altering.

    But this movie remakes Batman Begins/ The Dark Knight.

    It follows The Boys & Invincible....

    Expectations are high.

    Delivery is low. Abysmally low.

    Spoilers

    Bruce Wayne eschews wealth to focus on his families true legacy of vengeance. You fucking idiot! Your neglect of the renewal fund is what enabled the bad guys to corrupt the entire city. In a world where billionaires are using their wealth to address inequality, you say fuck the poor, what this city really needs is an idiot savant billionaire vigilante. Then act bemused when your vigilanteism doesn't help?

    The Batman strides fearlessly towards blazing automatic weapons. You fucking dimwit! One bullet in your moronic uncovered face and you are going to be eating through a straw for the rest of your life.

    The Batman admits his pervy peeping tom act to his romantic interest. You fucking witless twit! When has the line "lets go back to your place, which I know all about, because I am a creepy perve" ever worked? Luckily they both have a weird inexplicable fetish for naughty kink? But that kiss? 0/10. I've seen dogs vomiting up their breakfast with more chemistry & sex appeal.

    The Batman finds out the police are bought and paid for, so he naturally surrounds himself with police? You fucking brain addled guppy! They are corrupt. If regular cops feel threatened enough by performing a simple welfare check to dislocate limbs/ suffocate/ beat/ and shoot the person who needs the assistance... what the fuck do you think corrupt cops are going to do to your scary looking ass? Actually, on second thoughts, maybe that makes sense.....

    Up until you looked stupidly at an exploding bomb. You fucking ignoramus! What were you fucking thinking? That your impressive jaw line was going to shield the innocent from the bomb blast? Why the cops didn't take your stupid unconscious ass and handcuff you, beat you, unmask you, kick you, fingerprint you and book you after throwing you down a set of stairs... I will never know.

    The Batman base jumps from a tall building, and waits until he is about to hit the ground before opening his chute. You fucking imbecile! If that bridge hadn't fucked up your landing, the centripetal force of the chute opening would have slammed you into the concrete with 10 times the force of simply opening your chute a little earlier, or even simply swooping and landing with no chute at all.

    The Batman sees that the drowning crowds might be electrocuted. So he cuts the wire sending him plummeting into the water below. You fucking moron! That water is 1-3 feet deep. And who knows what flotsam might break your back. Cut below your handhold, not above your handhold, you fucking fretless zither, then use one of your many gadgets to rappel or fly down. I mean, you just climbed up the building to gain the tactical advantage. Surely you have at least some fucking rope.

    Lastly a fucking flare? To save a handful of stragglers? You fucking fatuous freak! There were thousands before the floods burst in. Don't save the alive from wet feet. Save the recently drowned. Find someone to perform CPR on!

    But he is good at solving riddles I guess? You fucking bumbling blithering bonehead! The bad guy knew you were good at solving riddles. And he still gave them to you! Ayyyyeeeeee!

    Why?

    Why remake one of the greatest movie series in recent history if you are going to utterly and completely half ass it?

    In a world where police brutality and wealth inequality and criminal violence are on everyones tongues, you pick the one movie that has something interesting to say, and say nothing?

    The more I think about how bad this movie really is, the more irritated I get.

    1 vote
    1. tomf
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      I'm also in the two-thumbs-down camp. I think it had the elements of a good film, but there was just too much. I'm excited to see an eventual fanedit. Ultimately, they need to give Batman a rest...

      I'm also in the two-thumbs-down camp. I think it had the elements of a good film, but there was just too much. I'm excited to see an eventual fanedit.

      Ultimately, they need to give Batman a rest for a good decade and come back with Flashpoint Batman, but give us a good twenty minutes before the reveal.