I watched it in an IMAX yesterday and was blown away. I mostly try to avoid movie trailers and did not see the trailer for this one. I watched it after the show and man was the IMAX worth it. As...
I watched it in an IMAX yesterday and was blown away.
I mostly try to avoid movie trailers and did not see the trailer for this one. I watched it after the show and man was the IMAX worth it.
As for the movie, in my opinion, it was phenomenal. I was blown away by the different art styles of each character in the first and now the second was even more impressive in this regard. Especially Gwens' Spiderverse was breathtaking.
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I loved how in the end, when she reconciles with her father the colors blend together. And also that Hobies watch has a different portal animation.
So many small details that could have not been done as a cost-saving measure but were done anyway.
This should get an Oscar.
I just saw this movie yesterday and missed out on seeing it in IMAX because we didn’t preorder the tickets early enough. But I agree it should be seen in that format if possible; barring that at...
I just saw this movie yesterday and missed out on seeing it in IMAX because we didn’t preorder the tickets early enough. But I agree it should be seen in that format if possible; barring that at least try to get a good seat. There are so many details to pick out, and there are so many visual styles to pick out. This is worth picking up a physical release just to do a frame-by-frame.
The only thing that disappointed me about this movie was that it ended. I was fully ready for it to keep going another 2 hours at least. Can't wait for the next one.
The only thing that disappointed me about this movie was that it ended. I was fully ready for it to keep going another 2 hours at least. Can't wait for the next one.
Make Mine Miles! This film was so good and it tugged on more emotional strings than a Pixar film. Many films about teenagers have the parents in there as an aside or to add tension tot he main...
Make Mine Miles! This film was so good and it tugged on more emotional strings than a Pixar film. Many films about teenagers have the parents in there as an aside or to add tension tot he main character's life. These parents were fully developed characters of their own with their own emotions that you felt.
If the first film had you fall in love with Miles, this one with have you fall in love with Gwen.
It's been a minute since we had a proper discussion thread for a major release, and I think it's time we rectified that. Overall thoughts is that I have similar feelings to Portal 2, and Pirates...
It's been a minute since we had a proper discussion thread for a major release, and I think it's time we rectified that.
Overall thoughts is that I have similar feelings to Portal 2, and Pirates of the Caribbean 2, which is a weird mix of feelings but hear me out. Into is a complete story that is amazing and essential to the animated medium, similar to Portal (or Pirates 1, but less so.) Across is a continuation that swings harder and is far more ambitious than it's predecessor, but it also is a less tight of an experience and dependant on the the first one's magic, so it's like Portal 2. It's also very extremely a part one and hard to judge it without the context of the capstone, like Pirates 2. My enjoyment of the movie suffers for it in the moment, but revisiting it, its going to be smoothed over or tainted by my feelings on Beyond.
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Couple thoughts:
Pick one ending resolution and a revelation, stick with it, put a stinger in the credits if you really felt like it. This movie could have already ended twice over with Gwen's talk with her Dad, Miles' talk with his Mom, Gwen's getting the gang back together and Miles is stuck in the wrong universe. Miles then realizing that oh, his uncle lived, and oh, his dad died, and oh, he's the Prowler in this universe is a lot to cram in right before a To Be Continued. Have the last thing we see with Miles before the credits be his mom saying "Who's Spider-Man?" and him freaking out putting it together, cinch up Gwen's storyline and have her assemble the team, then introduce Earth 42 post credits, maybe show his dad died, 100% hold powder on Meters Morales reveal.
The stones on the team to say that the ultimate threat of Spider-Man and the Spider-Verse as a whole is the fucking Brand. Destiny and "The Canon" are treated as interchangeable constants, and if you try and subvert one, you incur the wrath of the other. It puts the Spiders in a ugly spot, because they are complicit in damning their allies and enemies to death through Canonical Events, but the alternative is to risk the fabric of reality and doom everyone. Its a really good answer to the systemic injustice and status quo bias issue of superheroes, (It is what it is when we're saying the world.) explores the unhealthy cycle of Miguel's posse, (Spider-Man was born from grief and guilt, ALL SPIDERS must be built on grief and guilt, no personal betterment allowed!) and is a call out post to the fans limiting Spider-Man this way, as well as the people in charge of it. With the context of the absolute dumpster fire of a comic run Amazing Spider-Man is having, and the recent controversy it's churned up in the name of MCU synergy, this movie is a gigantic middle finger to the powers that be, and I am here for it.
Watched it yesterday as a casual moviegoer. I had such a hard time believing it was only 2hrs something, it was soooo dense and packed with story (but of course absorbing) and both my friend and I...
Watched it yesterday as a casual moviegoer. I had such a hard time believing it was only 2hrs something, it was soooo dense and packed with story (but of course absorbing) and both my friend and I feel like it definitely warrants repeated rewatches.
Stylistically, I think it really elevated what the first movie established. From the intro with Gwen's drumming (I love how they keep music so aligned to their aesthetic and story choices) to the different styles of each universe. Iirc, we only saw a little bit of this in the first movie but now we got a lot more screentime and worldbuilding in this one and I think it pays off.
And I will say, I appreciate that as visually busy the whole show is, I felt like my eyes always focused on what they needed to and I never felt any sensory overload (though every moment with flashing colours is an understandable but still unfortunate choice).
So I respect not just the technical excellence of the animation (which might feel gimmicky and distracting on its own) but also the sheer planning and storyboarding that must've gone into maintaining the visual and narrative flow.
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Completely agree with OP too, in terms of endings and themes.
Story-wise... I initially left feeling unhappy with a complete cliffhanger. I believe that stories should end with some resolution and I am perhaps scarred and jaded by the recent endless barrage of MCU movies constantly gated by spoilers and sudden cliffhangers.
My friend pointed out that this series is in Sony's care, not Disney, and so I need not have qualms about being beholden to Disney for a satisfying pay-off only to be found in 2-3 other pricey and drawn-out movie experiences.
That said, I think I'm mainly a bit annoyed that like OP, where this movie stands will depend completely on what follows, which leaves me feeling impatient for the next when I'd rather be mindful of animators and writers' working conditions. It feels rather consumerist but I mean, that's what I am ultimately. x)
Anyway, I also realised we did have some emotional arcs close with Gwen and Miles (making me cry repeatedly from the getgo because... just... parents).
And that's what I did like: Parents!!! Parent characters being written like people!! And being even more central to the plot and pivotal to characters' emotional growth, than the first movie! I also did like them bringing back Peter Parker as a dad, now confronting how he might've let down Miles and lost his trust and I eagerly await resolution of this little miniarc. And with all the parental dynamics featured, this definitely fits the trend of "millennial" parent apology movies addressing the complexity of parenthood and childhood.
I think the apology aspect was already covered in the first movie (I really can't remember) so this second movie expanding beyond that on how their relationships grow and how they handle new conflicts differently now is interesting to me. Can't wait to see the rest of this story someday!
Spot was great because we laugh right with Miles and we genuinely underestimate what Spot will become capable of. I did not like grumpy Spider-man as a secondary antagonist. Grumpy Spider-man felt... confused? and a bit hamfisted, because the jokes around him made him seem like he's supposed to be part of the "good guy ensemble" but he just seems like a dickhead boss? I do suspect it's intended as a dig at the brooding Batman trope though and if so, that is very funny. But still. Not mysterious / competent enough to be genuinely scary, not sympathetic enough to be complex, not even unhinged enough to be memorable. It's hard to know why so many Spider-people are following him blindly (as his main advantage) when he seems to have poor leadership and EQ skills. All together, he's just there cuz plot!
Finally, my friend, who enjoys the comics, lamented the lack of a Spiders-man appearance. When he explained who Spiders-man was, I too felt the loss / missed opportunity keenly.
spoilers The film did have an ending. The first character we see is Gwen, the main conflict is between her and her father. that conflict gets resolved at the end of the film. Her story was...
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The film did have an ending. The first character we see is Gwen, the main conflict is between her and her father. that conflict gets resolved at the end of the film. Her story was interwoven with Miles' story, and his continues into the next film. But the main arc of this film had a resolution.
Will definitely see this again once it hits Netflix, with captions, my theater had a sound mix problem for what seemed like the first 20 minutes, and I would still miss a stray bit of dialogue...
Will definitely see this again once it hits Netflix, with captions, my theater had a sound mix problem for what seemed like the first 20 minutes, and I would still miss a stray bit of dialogue through the entire run of the film. Also, whatever cameos you didn't see in this one, you might just see in the next one.
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Regarding Spider-Grump, he made the dimension jumping technology, and would probably know how to at least sell the pitch of a multiversal network of Spiders to be deployed as needed across the universes. What I think Miguel's deal is that he has surrounded himself with people that define themselves by their grief, and they all signed on to the idea that things happening to make them suffer is part of their lot in life, and that gives him a lot of leeway. He has cataloged the pain they all suffer, and if the stakes are already take it on the chin or the world is destroyed, then the pain is heroic, right? You could start a religion around that, and if he is their Prophet and his happiness was their martyr, then enough of them are going to go along with that because they get to be good people among peers and colleagues in do gooding, and it's something of a better system than what was around before. Miles rejected that premise, said that the mission was false, and he could still be a good person if he didn't believe in it. It must because he's naive and selfish, because if Miguel is wrong about all of this, if they could have stopped the pain in their lives and could do so for other Spiders, what does that say about them?
Animation was great, movie was surprisingly long, and since this is the spoiler thread I'm assuming I'm free to talk about the ending (or lackthereof). It's a bit surprising, although I was...
Animation was great, movie was surprisingly long, and since this is the spoiler thread I'm assuming I'm free to talk about the ending (or lackthereof). It's a bit surprising, although I was seriously wondering how they were going to speedrun the ending in the theater. It's fine, better than having to rush it I suppose.
If I were to have a criticism, it would be in the fights. While they are excellently choreographed (if that's the right word for animation), let's be honest, can you have any sense of the relative power levels of characters in the movie? Intuitively, Miguel and old Peter and Jess should be much stronger than Miles, as veterans, not to mention actual adults, but they don't really ever show it.
How did the spot go from bumbling to godlike so quickly? Man fought a 3v1 against three spider people.
Did anyone actually, like, take damage in a fight? I feel like they just punched each other ineffectively the whole time.
In the end, it's not that big of a deal, clearly the movie wants it to be more about fighting against fate, coming of age, family angst, and all that, which is a perfectly valid choice. I just noticed that I pretty much just enjoyed the fights as showcases of the crazy animation, and didn't really feel any tension about the actual fighting happening.
I knew there was a sequel already in the works, but I had no idea a cliff hangar was coming and was a bit disappointed in that aspect. I guess mainly because it snuck up on me, I saw the end in...
I knew there was a sequel already in the works, but I had no idea a cliff hangar was coming and was a bit disappointed in that aspect. I guess mainly because it snuck up on me, I saw the end in sight and didn't realize how much time had passed.
Overall the movie was fantastic. Loved the added time that we got to flesh our Gwen as well in addition to Miles. The art style was even better than the last one. I didn't see it in IMAX as I didn't want to drive the extra distance, but I probably will go back sometime this week and catch it on IMAX.
It was a great movie. I only really had minor complaints. I came out thinking they had somehow found a way to make a movie both too long and too short. There was so much packed into this movie...
It was a great movie. I only really had minor complaints. I came out thinking they had somehow found a way to make a movie both too long and too short. There was so much packed into this movie that I honestly think that it would have been better served as a serial; there are some twists that would be rather shocking if you had time to marinate in them but are somewhat more predictable when things are going a hundred miles a minute. The only thing that actually annoyed me was the fact that the movie doesn’t really have an ending.
There are so many stylistic and artistic platitudes I could talk about; practically every minute there was something new and interesting to look at. My personal favorite is the scenes with Gwen and her father as the backgrounds literally melt away and the color tones change to match the mood.
The thing that interests me the most is that it’s pretty clear that there was a lot of 2D touchups to get the style to work properly. This is not anywhere near a complaint; rather I am noticing that there is so much of it that I wonder how much of the screen we are seeing that is actually rendered by a computer. Some characters appear as if they just used the renders as more of a motion reference than a base to improve upon.
Fantastic movie. Beautiful, well-written, and technically impressive. I wasn't expecting the cliffhanger (nor was anyone else in the theater), but since the movie was announced as part 1 that's on...
Fantastic movie. Beautiful, well-written, and technically impressive. I wasn't expecting the cliffhanger (nor was anyone else in the theater), but since the movie was announced as part 1 that's on me. The animation was shockingly impressive. It was hard to tell it was 3D at parts, the only obvious disbelief moments being when characters were in strong direct sunlight, and when Miguel throws the trash can at Miles and the camera snaps to it.
Loved the movie. The art direction and style is amazing, while the spiderverse style of hybrid 2D/3D aesthetic has been adopted in other projects since the first's release, and across the...
Loved the movie.
The art direction and style is amazing, while the spiderverse style of hybrid 2D/3D aesthetic has been adopted in other projects since the first's release, and across the spiderverse manages to push the envelope again. The music and sound design is also fantastic and works with the art to elevate the whole movie, this is evident from the beginning with Gewn's drum solo/ monologue.
I enjoyed the story, and liked how it pushed the theme of accepting yourself and with it being the start of pride month, really drove the lgbtq+ metaphor of coming out to your family home.
Also while there are a ton of easter eggs though out the movie I appreciate the references to the other amazing multiverse movie Everything Everywhere All At Once, with a poster for "All of it Always All over the place" and the incorporation of the bagel from the first movie into Spot's origins.
I watched it in an IMAX yesterday and was blown away.
I mostly try to avoid movie trailers and did not see the trailer for this one. I watched it after the show and man was the IMAX worth it.
As for the movie, in my opinion, it was phenomenal. I was blown away by the different art styles of each character in the first and now the second was even more impressive in this regard. Especially Gwens' Spiderverse was breathtaking.
Spoiler
I loved how in the end, when she reconciles with her father the colors blend together. And also that Hobies watch has a different portal animation.So many small details that could have not been done as a cost-saving measure but were done anyway.
This should get an Oscar.
If this does not win the best Animated Oscar, then they need to stop having that category.
I just saw this movie yesterday and missed out on seeing it in IMAX because we didn’t preorder the tickets early enough. But I agree it should be seen in that format if possible; barring that at least try to get a good seat. There are so many details to pick out, and there are so many visual styles to pick out. This is worth picking up a physical release just to do a frame-by-frame.
The only thing that disappointed me about this movie was that it ended. I was fully ready for it to keep going another 2 hours at least. Can't wait for the next one.
Make Mine Miles! This film was so good and it tugged on more emotional strings than a Pixar film. Many films about teenagers have the parents in there as an aside or to add tension tot he main character's life. These parents were fully developed characters of their own with their own emotions that you felt.
If the first film had you fall in love with Miles, this one with have you fall in love with Gwen.
It's been a minute since we had a proper discussion thread for a major release, and I think it's time we rectified that.
Overall thoughts is that I have similar feelings to Portal 2, and Pirates of the Caribbean 2, which is a weird mix of feelings but hear me out. Into is a complete story that is amazing and essential to the animated medium, similar to Portal (or Pirates 1, but less so.) Across is a continuation that swings harder and is far more ambitious than it's predecessor, but it also is a less tight of an experience and dependant on the the first one's magic, so it's like Portal 2. It's also very extremely a part one and hard to judge it without the context of the capstone, like Pirates 2. My enjoyment of the movie suffers for it in the moment, but revisiting it, its going to be smoothed over or tainted by my feelings on Beyond.
Spoilers
Couple thoughts:Watched it yesterday as a casual moviegoer. I had such a hard time believing it was only 2hrs something, it was soooo dense and packed with story (but of course absorbing) and both my friend and I feel like it definitely warrants repeated rewatches.
Stylistically, I think it really elevated what the first movie established. From the intro with Gwen's drumming (I love how they keep music so aligned to their aesthetic and story choices) to the different styles of each universe. Iirc, we only saw a little bit of this in the first movie but now we got a lot more screentime and worldbuilding in this one and I think it pays off.
And I will say, I appreciate that as visually busy the whole show is, I felt like my eyes always focused on what they needed to and I never felt any sensory overload (though every moment with flashing colours is an understandable but still unfortunate choice).
So I respect not just the technical excellence of the animation (which might feel gimmicky and distracting on its own) but also the sheer planning and storyboarding that must've gone into maintaining the visual and narrative flow.
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Completely agree with OP too, in terms of endings and themes.
Story-wise... I initially left feeling unhappy with a complete cliffhanger. I believe that stories should end with some resolution and I am perhaps scarred and jaded by the recent endless barrage of MCU movies constantly gated by spoilers and sudden cliffhangers.
My friend pointed out that this series is in Sony's care, not Disney, and so I need not have qualms about being beholden to Disney for a satisfying pay-off only to be found in 2-3 other pricey and drawn-out movie experiences.
That said, I think I'm mainly a bit annoyed that like OP, where this movie stands will depend completely on what follows, which leaves me feeling impatient for the next when I'd rather be mindful of animators and writers' working conditions. It feels rather consumerist but I mean, that's what I am ultimately. x)
Anyway, I also realised we did have some emotional arcs close with Gwen and Miles (making me cry repeatedly from the getgo because... just... parents).
And that's what I did like: Parents!!! Parent characters being written like people!! And being even more central to the plot and pivotal to characters' emotional growth, than the first movie! I also did like them bringing back Peter Parker as a dad, now confronting how he might've let down Miles and lost his trust and I eagerly await resolution of this little miniarc. And with all the parental dynamics featured, this definitely fits the trend of "millennial" parent apology movies addressing the complexity of parenthood and childhood.
I think the apology aspect was already covered in the first movie (I really can't remember) so this second movie expanding beyond that on how their relationships grow and how they handle new conflicts differently now is interesting to me.
Can't wait to see the rest of this story someday!Spot was great because we laugh right with Miles and we genuinely underestimate what Spot will become capable of. I did not like grumpy Spider-man as a secondary antagonist. Grumpy Spider-man felt... confused? and a bit hamfisted, because the jokes around him made him seem like he's supposed to be part of the "good guy ensemble" but he just seems like a dickhead boss? I do suspect it's intended as a dig at the brooding Batman trope though and if so, that is very funny. But still. Not mysterious / competent enough to be genuinely scary, not sympathetic enough to be complex, not even unhinged enough to be memorable. It's hard to know why so many Spider-people are following him blindly (as his main advantage) when he seems to have poor leadership and EQ skills. All together, he's just there cuz plot!
Finally, my friend, who enjoys the comics, lamented the lack of a Spiders-man appearance. When he explained who Spiders-man was, I too felt the loss / missed opportunity keenly.
spoilers
The film did have an ending. The first character we see is Gwen, the main conflict is between her and her father. that conflict gets resolved at the end of the film. Her story was interwoven with Miles' story, and his continues into the next film. But the main arc of this film had a resolution.Will definitely see this again once it hits Netflix, with captions, my theater had a sound mix problem for what seemed like the first 20 minutes, and I would still miss a stray bit of dialogue through the entire run of the film. Also, whatever cameos you didn't see in this one, you might just see in the next one.
Spoilers
Regarding Spider-Grump, he made the dimension jumping technology, and would probably know how to at least sell the pitch of a multiversal network of Spiders to be deployed as needed across the universes. What I think Miguel's deal is that he has surrounded himself with people that define themselves by their grief, and they all signed on to the idea that things happening to make them suffer is part of their lot in life, and that gives him a lot of leeway. He has cataloged the pain they all suffer, and if the stakes are already take it on the chin or the world is destroyed, then the pain is heroic, right? You could start a religion around that, and if he is their Prophet and his happiness was their martyr, then enough of them are going to go along with that because they get to be good people among peers and colleagues in do gooding, and it's something of a better system than what was around before. Miles rejected that premise, said that the mission was false, and he could still be a good person if he didn't believe in it. It must because he's naive and selfish, because if Miguel is wrong about all of this, if they could have stopped the pain in their lives and could do so for other Spiders, what does that say about them?Animation was great, movie was surprisingly long, and since this is the spoiler thread I'm assuming I'm free to talk about the ending (or lackthereof). It's a bit surprising, although I was seriously wondering how they were going to speedrun the ending in the theater. It's fine, better than having to rush it I suppose.
If I were to have a criticism, it would be in the fights. While they are excellently choreographed (if that's the right word for animation), let's be honest, can you have any sense of the relative power levels of characters in the movie? Intuitively, Miguel and old Peter and Jess should be much stronger than Miles, as veterans, not to mention actual adults, but they don't really ever show it.
How did the spot go from bumbling to godlike so quickly? Man fought a 3v1 against three spider people.
Did anyone actually, like, take damage in a fight? I feel like they just punched each other ineffectively the whole time.
In the end, it's not that big of a deal, clearly the movie wants it to be more about fighting against fate, coming of age, family angst, and all that, which is a perfectly valid choice. I just noticed that I pretty much just enjoyed the fights as showcases of the crazy animation, and didn't really feel any tension about the actual fighting happening.
I knew there was a sequel already in the works, but I had no idea a cliff hangar was coming and was a bit disappointed in that aspect. I guess mainly because it snuck up on me, I saw the end in sight and didn't realize how much time had passed.
Overall the movie was fantastic. Loved the added time that we got to flesh our Gwen as well in addition to Miles. The art style was even better than the last one. I didn't see it in IMAX as I didn't want to drive the extra distance, but I probably will go back sometime this week and catch it on IMAX.
I believe the film was originally titled 'Part 1' so I went in assuming a cliffhanger, but the vast majority of people would have no clue.
It was a great movie. I only really had minor complaints. I came out thinking they had somehow found a way to make a movie both too long and too short. There was so much packed into this movie that I honestly think that it would have been better served as a serial; there are some twists that would be rather shocking if you had time to marinate in them but are somewhat more predictable when things are going a hundred miles a minute. The only thing that actually annoyed me was the fact that the movie doesn’t really have an ending.
There are so many stylistic and artistic platitudes I could talk about; practically every minute there was something new and interesting to look at. My personal favorite is the scenes with Gwen and her father as the backgrounds literally melt away and the color tones change to match the mood.
The thing that interests me the most is that it’s pretty clear that there was a lot of 2D touchups to get the style to work properly. This is not anywhere near a complaint; rather I am noticing that there is so much of it that I wonder how much of the screen we are seeing that is actually rendered by a computer. Some characters appear as if they just used the renders as more of a motion reference than a base to improve upon.
Fantastic movie. Beautiful, well-written, and technically impressive. I wasn't expecting the cliffhanger (nor was anyone else in the theater), but since the movie was announced as part 1 that's on me. The animation was shockingly impressive. It was hard to tell it was 3D at parts, the only obvious disbelief moments being when characters were in strong direct sunlight, and when Miguel throws the trash can at Miles and the camera snaps to it.
Loved the movie.
The art direction and style is amazing, while the spiderverse style of hybrid 2D/3D aesthetic has been adopted in other projects since the first's release, and across the spiderverse manages to push the envelope again. The music and sound design is also fantastic and works with the art to elevate the whole movie, this is evident from the beginning with Gewn's drum solo/ monologue.
I enjoyed the story, and liked how it pushed the theme of accepting yourself and with it being the start of pride month, really drove the lgbtq+ metaphor of coming out to your family home.
Also while there are a ton of easter eggs though out the movie I appreciate the references to the other amazing multiverse movie Everything Everywhere All At Once, with a poster for "All of it Always All over the place" and the incorporation of the bagel from the first movie into Spot's origins.