I think I speak for a decent amount of people when I say... these Jurassic Park sequels just aren't working out. 2, 3, the World trilogy, they gave it 5 tries at this point and didn't make...
I think I speak for a decent amount of people when I say... these Jurassic Park sequels just aren't working out. 2, 3, the World trilogy, they gave it 5 tries at this point and didn't make anything half as great as the first movie. I was looking forward to World 1 ever since my friends and I first heard about the premise "the park is open and people are actually visiting!" That was the best premise of the sequels, but even that left me disappointed in the execution. I saw the reviews and heard my friends' opinions for the next 2 films and didn't even bother seeing them. They made a Dinosaur movie focused on locusts? What?
Hoping a new director and a reboot can do something fun with the idea. It's the John Wick/Bullet Train guy so maybe it'll lead to something good.
I really hope they’re going to spend more time on the story, ditching the two leads is definitely a good start to redeeming the franchise. The thing I find so weird about the World trilogy is how...
I really hope they’re going to spend more time on the story, ditching the two leads is definitely a good start to redeeming the franchise.
The thing I find so weird about the World trilogy is how the first two movies were building up to Dominion where dinos are causing trouble globally, but somehow totally squandered it and did a plot about giant locusts. I can only assume even the most refined version of that would be exceedingly stupid, but it could have been very entertaining.
I think Trevorrow is just kind of a bad story teller. Which is interesting cause his Star Wars Episode IX script was better than the actual thing we got. I wish someone would eventually adapt John...
I think Trevorrow is just kind of a bad story teller. Which is interesting cause his Star Wars Episode IX script was better than the actual thing we got.
I wish someone would eventually adapt John Sayles Jurassic Park script with human reptile hybrids with machine guns.
I'm desperate for a Turok film with half the production values of Jurassic Park and basically the script depth of John Wick. It's a simple request. Please, Hollywood.
I'm desperate for a Turok film with half the production values of Jurassic Park and basically the script depth of John Wick. It's a simple request. Please, Hollywood.
Trevorrow is a bad storyteller. He doesn't seem to know (or care) how to have complete, supported character arcs. You know, that thing that makes it a story, instead of just an effects reel. I was...
Trevorrow is a bad storyteller. He doesn't seem to know (or care) how to have complete, supported character arcs. You know, that thing that makes it a story, instead of just an effects reel. I was singularly unimpressed with Safety Not Guaranteed, and Jurassic World was so bad, so disjointed and lacking coherency that I have felt nothing but satisfaction in not seeing the other two.
I'm an huge adherent of directors being writers, because I feel it's about the only way to possibly get directors that respect story instead of only valuing cinematography, cast performance (as when an actor turns director), and sometimes spectacle (such as when someone with a career in effects or stunts makes it to directing).
The problem is just because a director is allowed to write the script doesn't mean the script will be good. That director turned writer still needs to be a writer. James Cameron is a writer-director. Whedon and Sorkin became directors and you get the sense it was to keep director meddling off their scripts. James Gunn is a writer-director.
Trevorrow is very much not a writer. This presentation is a wonderful, concise demonstration of how inept Trevorrow is. Seven minutes. Trevorrow thinks he's a writer, but he's got a bunch of movies now that conclusively demonstrate he's soooooooooo not.
Even if he got a good script from an actual writer, he's not trustworthy. After all, in Hollywood, the director has carte blanche. How often does a director sign onto a project that has a script, and then immediately change the script. All the time.
I read a book one time, where a military character takes over from a prior commander who had been removed for cause. The replacement, at one point, remarks something to the effect of "it's a shame I can't just have what (prior CO) would do known to me my whole career. He's like a watchword for what not to do, and I could just do the opposite and never have to think."
Treverrow's like that. If his name's on the movie, it must be bad.
Kevin Smith once said Hollywood is where you fail upward. A number of directors are the definition of that, and Treverrow's one. If he (like a lot of the others in his category) would just recognize that he's really only interested, and skilled, at the pretty pictures part of directing, and hire people to support them in the other areas, the whole "collaborative art form" thing could work as designed.
Do you have a link to his script for Episode IX? I’d be interested to read it. I would love if they made that original John Sayles’ Jurassic Park IV script. I remember reading the treatment like...
Do you have a link to his script for Episode IX? I’d be interested to read it.
I would love if they made that original John Sayles’ Jurassic Park IV script. I remember reading the treatment like 20 years ago and immediately knowing it would never happen though.
I’ve read it. It’s better than what we got, but I still don’t think it’s good. It’s just the bar was set so low by Rise of Skywalker that this can’t help but look good by comparison. This script,...
I’ve read it. It’s better than what we got, but I still don’t think it’s good. It’s just the bar was set so low by Rise of Skywalker that this can’t help but look good by comparison. This script, as-is, needs several more passes and heavy editing. Credit where credit is due: Finn and Rose have a much bigger role in this version, and I sorta like the stuff with Luke and Ben. But everything with Poe and Rey comes straight out of left field.
I can see why Trevorrow did that and why he was more attracted to Poe as a romantic lead since he has similarities with Pratt in Jurassic World. The previous two films didn't do anything to...
But everything with Poe and Rey comes straight out of left field.
I can see why Trevorrow did that and why he was more attracted to Poe as a romantic lead since he has similarities with Pratt in Jurassic World. The previous two films didn't do anything to establish any sort of dynamic between the three. The biggest mistake, imo, was taking Poe out the picture for so much in Force Awakens. He should have been there establishing a rapport with Rey, and maybe even a romantic chemistry between them, and then split them up in Last Jedi before coming back together in Episode IX.
Leitch is a great choice. Looking at his filmography from the first John Wick to Bullet Train he's a director who knows how to use a camera and not just in action scenes. He's also someone that...
Leitch is a great choice. Looking at his filmography from the first John Wick to Bullet Train he's a director who knows how to use a camera and not just in action scenes. He's also someone that knows how to frame and edit visual jokes as we saw in Deadpool 2, Bullet Train, and I'm sure we'll see in The Fall Guy.
He's a better director than Trevorrow at least, so I'm expecting a more visually rich Jurassic World film this time around.
Is it weird to say I don't think that's enough time for a good movie? Or is this all the outcome of rushing special effects through these days. Or... Am I super off base on how long the effects...
Is it weird to say I don't think that's enough time for a good movie? Or is this all the outcome of rushing special effects through these days. Or... Am I super off base on how long the effects actually realistically take?
It is definitely a short time for a blockbuster. The last example I can think of, that ended up good at least, was X-Men First Class which got going only a year before it's release.
It is definitely a short time for a blockbuster. The last example I can think of, that ended up good at least, was X-Men First Class which got going only a year before it's release.
I'd be more worried if they got an inexperienced crew to make the film in such a short amount of time. Like if they did what they did with the first Jurassic World and plucked some random Sundance...
I'd be more worried if they got an inexperienced crew to make the film in such a short amount of time. Like if they did what they did with the first Jurassic World and plucked some random Sundance filmmaker. But they're getting the screenwriter of the first Jurassic Park to write it and Leitch is an experienced director on this scale.
I think I speak for a decent amount of people when I say... these Jurassic Park sequels just aren't working out. 2, 3, the World trilogy, they gave it 5 tries at this point and didn't make anything half as great as the first movie. I was looking forward to World 1 ever since my friends and I first heard about the premise "the park is open and people are actually visiting!" That was the best premise of the sequels, but even that left me disappointed in the execution. I saw the reviews and heard my friends' opinions for the next 2 films and didn't even bother seeing them. They made a Dinosaur movie focused on locusts? What?
Hoping a new director and a reboot can do something fun with the idea. It's the John Wick/Bullet Train guy so maybe it'll lead to something good.
I really hope they’re going to spend more time on the story, ditching the two leads is definitely a good start to redeeming the franchise.
The thing I find so weird about the World trilogy is how the first two movies were building up to Dominion where dinos are causing trouble globally, but somehow totally squandered it and did a plot about giant locusts. I can only assume even the most refined version of that would be exceedingly stupid, but it could have been very entertaining.
I think Trevorrow is just kind of a bad story teller. Which is interesting cause his Star Wars Episode IX script was better than the actual thing we got.
I wish someone would eventually adapt John Sayles Jurassic Park script with human reptile hybrids with machine guns.
I'm desperate for a Turok film with half the production values of Jurassic Park and basically the script depth of John Wick. It's a simple request. Please, Hollywood.
Trevorrow is a bad storyteller. He doesn't seem to know (or care) how to have complete, supported character arcs. You know, that thing that makes it a story, instead of just an effects reel. I was singularly unimpressed with Safety Not Guaranteed, and Jurassic World was so bad, so disjointed and lacking coherency that I have felt nothing but satisfaction in not seeing the other two.
I'm an huge adherent of directors being writers, because I feel it's about the only way to possibly get directors that respect story instead of only valuing cinematography, cast performance (as when an actor turns director), and sometimes spectacle (such as when someone with a career in effects or stunts makes it to directing).
The problem is just because a director is allowed to write the script doesn't mean the script will be good. That director turned writer still needs to be a writer. James Cameron is a writer-director. Whedon and Sorkin became directors and you get the sense it was to keep director meddling off their scripts. James Gunn is a writer-director.
Trevorrow is very much not a writer. This presentation is a wonderful, concise demonstration of how inept Trevorrow is. Seven minutes. Trevorrow thinks he's a writer, but he's got a bunch of movies now that conclusively demonstrate he's soooooooooo not.
Even if he got a good script from an actual writer, he's not trustworthy. After all, in Hollywood, the director has carte blanche. How often does a director sign onto a project that has a script, and then immediately change the script. All the time.
I read a book one time, where a military character takes over from a prior commander who had been removed for cause. The replacement, at one point, remarks something to the effect of "it's a shame I can't just have what (prior CO) would do known to me my whole career. He's like a watchword for what not to do, and I could just do the opposite and never have to think."
Treverrow's like that. If his name's on the movie, it must be bad.
Kevin Smith once said Hollywood is where you fail upward. A number of directors are the definition of that, and Treverrow's one. If he (like a lot of the others in his category) would just recognize that he's really only interested, and skilled, at the pretty pictures part of directing, and hire people to support them in the other areas, the whole "collaborative art form" thing could work as designed.
Do you have a link to his script for Episode IX? I’d be interested to read it.
I would love if they made that original John Sayles’ Jurassic Park IV script. I remember reading the treatment like 20 years ago and immediately knowing it would never happen though.
It took me a while to find since it seems like a lot of the available PDFs were scrubbed. Here it is
I’ve read it. It’s better than what we got, but I still don’t think it’s good. It’s just the bar was set so low by Rise of Skywalker that this can’t help but look good by comparison. This script, as-is, needs several more passes and heavy editing. Credit where credit is due: Finn and Rose have a much bigger role in this version, and I sorta like the stuff with Luke and Ben. But everything with Poe and Rey comes straight out of left field.
I can see why Trevorrow did that and why he was more attracted to Poe as a romantic lead since he has similarities with Pratt in Jurassic World. The previous two films didn't do anything to establish any sort of dynamic between the three. The biggest mistake, imo, was taking Poe out the picture for so much in Force Awakens. He should have been there establishing a rapport with Rey, and maybe even a romantic chemistry between them, and then split them up in Last Jedi before coming back together in Episode IX.
Leitch is a great choice. Looking at his filmography from the first John Wick to Bullet Train he's a director who knows how to use a camera and not just in action scenes. He's also someone that knows how to frame and edit visual jokes as we saw in Deadpool 2, Bullet Train, and I'm sure we'll see in The Fall Guy.
He's a better director than Trevorrow at least, so I'm expecting a more visually rich Jurassic World film this time around.
Is it weird to say I don't think that's enough time for a good movie? Or is this all the outcome of rushing special effects through these days. Or... Am I super off base on how long the effects actually realistically take?
It is definitely a short time for a blockbuster. The last example I can think of, that ended up good at least, was X-Men First Class which got going only a year before it's release.
For a movie with as much digital effects as this series it just seems... ill advised?
Glad I'm not super out of touch on it
I'd be more worried if they got an inexperienced crew to make the film in such a short amount of time. Like if they did what they did with the first Jurassic World and plucked some random Sundance filmmaker. But they're getting the screenwriter of the first Jurassic Park to write it and Leitch is an experienced director on this scale.
That makes sense. Bit worried about the work conditions of the effects team but the rest sounds in good hands.