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Grammys: Harry Styles wins Album Of The Year for ‘Harry’s House’

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  1. [3]
    soks_n_sandals
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    An interesting perspective from Vulture: How Harry's House Beat Beyoncé. Before reading the article, I was curious about production credits. There are, by my count, 42 unique credits on Harry's...

    An interesting perspective from Vulture: How Harry's House Beat Beyoncé.

    Before reading the article, I was curious about production credits. There are, by my count, 42 unique credits on Harry's House and 196 on Renaissance. Whereas Renaissance is a powerful survey of dance music and a variety of cultures, Harry's House is a retreat to a familiar 80s sound (albeit elevated, as opposed to reimagined). The article addresses this, as well as the Academy's attitude toward sampling. It essentially says there is favor in the smaller production teams, perhaps at the expense of quality, in the eyes of voters.

    The article addresses more historical points I was unaware of, but a crucial one stood out immediately to me in the personnel size of the albums.

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      cloud_loud
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      I do not know anything about the process of making music, especially not mainstream pop music. But 42 people already seems like a lot and 196 just blows my mind.

      I do not know anything about the process of making music, especially not mainstream pop music. But 42 people already seems like a lot and 196 just blows my mind.

      1 vote
      1. soks_n_sandals
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        The large 196 count is due to the appropriate and legal crediting for samples. Basically, even if no music was used, there may be a writing credit due to interpretation. Much of Styles's record is...

        The large 196 count is due to the appropriate and legal crediting for samples. Basically, even if no music was used, there may be a writing credit due to interpretation.

        Much of Styles's record is similar personnel like Kid Harpoon and Tyler Johnson showing up on basically every track. John Mayer and Pino Palladino actually make appearances as well, which is somewhat surprising. But you can see most of Styles's extra credits are for engineers. The others are session musicians, which is totally expected. Compare that to Beyonce's numerous lyric and composition credits, likely for samples.

        As It Was ALIEN SUPERSTAR
        Spike Stent, Mixing Engineer Mike Dean, Composer, Lyricist, Producer, Synthesizer
        Harry Styles, Composer, Lyricist, Bells, MainArtist, AssociatedPerformer, Vocal S. Carter, Composer, Lyricist
        Tyler Johnson, Composer, Lyricist, Producer, Piano, Synthesizer, Drum Machine LeVar Coppin, Composer, Lyricist
        Kid Harpoon, Composer, Lyricist, Producer, Drums, Bass Guitar, Electric Guitar, Bass, Synthesizer, Drum Machine Honey Dijon, Producer, Programmer
        Joe Dougherty, Assistant Engineer Peter Rauhofer, Composer, Lyricist
        Luke Gibbs, Assistant Engineer Beyonce, Composer, Lyricist, Producer, Vocal Producer, MainArtist, AssociatedPerformer
        Katie May, Assistant Engineer Colin Leonard, Mastering Engineer
        Randy Merrill, Mastering Engineer Dave Hamelin, Composer, Lyricist
        Doug Showalter, Electric Guitar, Percussion Stuart White, Mixing Engineer, Recording Engineer
        Mitch Rowland, Drums Luke Solomon, Producer, Programmer
        Jeremy Hatcher, Programmer, Recording Engineer John Cranfield, Engineer
        Matt Wolach, Assistant Engineer Kim Cooper, Composer, Lyricist
        Josh Caulder, Assistant Engineer Chris Penny, Producer, Keyboards, Programmer
        Ruby Winston, Other Andréa Roberts, Engineer
        Adele Phillips, Assistant Engineer Richard Peter John Fairbrass, Composer, Lyricist
        Robert Francis Anthony Manzoli, Composer, Lyricist
        Blu June, Background Vocal
        Danielle Balbuena, Composer, Lyricist
        Luke Francis Matthew Solomon, Composer, Lyricist
        Leven Kali, Composer, Lyricist
        Beyoncé Knowles-Carter, Executive Producer
        NOVAWAV, Producer
        Honey Redmond, Composer, Lyricist
        Brittany "@Chi_Coney" Coney, Composer, Lyricist
        David Debrandon Brown, Composer, Lyricist
        Mariel Gomerez, A&R Director
        Christopher Lawrence Penny, Composer, Lyricist
        Saliou Diagne, Composer, Lyricist
        Matheus Braz, Assistant Engineer
        Terius "The-Dream" Gesteelde-Diamant, Producer, Synthesizer
        Denisia "@Blu June" Andrews, Composer, Lyricist
        Chi Coney, Recording Engineer
        John Michael Holiday, Composer, Lyricist
        Atia Boggs p/k/a Ink, Composer, Lyricist
        1 vote
  2. [8]
    cumulonimbus
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    ......kendrick lamar something something robbed ahhhh who gives a shit

    ......kendrick lamar something something robbed ahhhh who gives a shit

    2 votes
    1. [7]
      tomf
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      I absolutely hated that record when it came out... but I gave it a listen this morning and it isn't so bad. Definitely not best of the year by any metric, but not as bad as I originally thought....

      I absolutely hated that record when it came out... but I gave it a listen this morning and it isn't so bad. Definitely not best of the year by any metric, but not as bad as I originally thought.

      From the list... every Coldplay album sounds the same... the rest are bland pop. I'm definitely not the demo to vote for this stuff, though. The Lizzo record has some good joints.

      1 vote
      1. [6]
        TheJorro
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        I didn't even think it was close to the best rap album of the year either but the Grammys don't really go by that metric. But the nominee list for Best Rap Album this year was bad. Two of the five...

        I didn't even think it was close to the best rap album of the year either but the Grammys don't really go by that metric. But the nominee list for Best Rap Album this year was bad. Two of the five nominees for Best Rap Album had no business being anywhere in the list considering which ones were not:

        • "God Did" — DJ Khaled
        • "Come Home the Kids Miss You" — Jack Harlow

        I would have liked to have seen Lupe Fiasco, JID, Conway the Machine, and Nas. DJ Khaled should not be anywhere near this list.

        4 votes
        1. [2]
          Micycle_the_Bichael
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          I don't know a ton about the process of submitting an album to the Grammy's for consideration; I only learned that was required last month. I am not an expert on that side of things. From the...

          I don't know a ton about the process of submitting an album to the Grammy's for consideration; I only learned that was required last month. I am not an expert on that side of things. From the hip-hop side of things, it is insane that Jack Harlow and DJ Khaled's albums are up for best rap album when 2022 was such a stacked year for the genre (IMO). I don't have anything against Jack Harlow or DJ Khaled; I think most of their songs are bad-to-mid and I think their albums are shallow, but I don't have anything against the artists for releasing the music they want to make, and I don't begrudge anyone that enjoy's their music. It does feel like a damning inditement of the Grammy's though when just this year we also got:

          • The Forever Story by JID
          • God Don't Make Mistakes by Conway the Machine
          • Few Good Things by Saba
          • Drill Music in Zion by Lupe Fiasco
          • $oul $old $eparately by Freddie Gibbs
          • Remember Your Leverage by Nas
          • Aethiopes by billy wood

          Hell, if the bar is just better than DJ Khaled's album then albums that aren't album of the year but more deserving to be on the list like

          • Preaching In Havana by Fatboi Sharif
          • Everything by Kota the Friend
          • a tape called component system with the auto-reverse by Open Mike Eagle
          • Ghetto Gods by EARTHGANG
          • Didn't Mean To Haunt You by Quebec
          4 votes
          1. soks_n_sandals
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            I was curious about the nomination and voting process and this 2016 Vox article breaks it down. They're stating 20,000+ submissions per year to the Academy, as well as a few nomination...

            I was curious about the nomination and voting process and this 2016 Vox article breaks it down. They're stating 20,000+ submissions per year to the Academy, as well as a few nomination requirements to even send the record. There's not much information on how the albums are received by voters (of which there are 12k eligible). It's inferred in the article that popularity is a huge part of one's success, and it's unfortunate that an album's musical prowess can be lose out to name recognition.

            3 votes
        2. [3]
          tomf
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          to be honest, I’m not sure i’ve ever heard Khaled outside out the samples. it’s too bad award shows are largely irrelevant.

          to be honest, I’m not sure i’ve ever heard Khaled outside out the samples.

          it’s too bad award shows are largely irrelevant.

          1 vote
          1. [3]
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            1. TheJorro
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              Ohh I forgot that billy woods album came out in 2022. That definitely would be up there if the Grammys had a more artistic bent.

              Ohh I forgot that billy woods album came out in 2022. That definitely would be up there if the Grammys had a more artistic bent.

              2 votes
            2. tomf
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              are you an Aesop fan? if you told me that record was Aes, i’d probably believe you.

              are you an Aesop fan? if you told me that record was Aes, i’d probably believe you.

  3. cfabbro
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    In other Grammy news: Viola Davis becomes an EGOT

    In other Grammy news:
    Viola Davis becomes an EGOT

    Viola Davis has become the 18th person to achieve the EGOT - winning an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Tony Award - as the Grammy Awards kick off in Los Angeles.

    Davis completed her collection by winning best audio book for her autobiography Finding Me.

    "I wrote this book to honour the six-year-old Viola," said the star. "To honour her life, her joy, her trauma, everything."

    The star won the best supporting actress Oscar in 2016 for Fences.

    Her Emmy Award recognised the TV drama How To Get Away With Murder, and she has two Tony Awards for her theatre work - featured actress in a play for King Hedley II (2001) and lead actress in a play for Fences (2010).

    2 votes
  4. [6]
    tomf
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    As It Was would be such a good track at half the duration. edit: I take it back! 2m45s! perfect! total banger

    As It Was would be such a good track at half the duration.

    edit: I take it back! 2m45s! perfect! total banger

    1 vote
    1. [5]
      soks_n_sandals
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      See that's what I'm saying on this. As It Was is like a pop masterpiece. The whole album is strong. It took me months to listen to it but I've played it a couple times every week for the last...

      See that's what I'm saying on this. As It Was is like a pop masterpiece. The whole album is strong. It took me months to listen to it but I've played it a couple times every week for the last month because it's just so enjoyable.

      2 votes
      1. [4]
        tomf
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        ok, listening through this record.. it’s pretty good but way over-produced. definitely that pop sound, which is a shame for my tastes. still better than i ever thought a Harry Styles record would be.

        ok, listening through this record.. it’s pretty good but way over-produced. definitely that pop sound, which is a shame for my tastes.

        still better than i ever thought a Harry Styles record would be.

        2 votes
        1. [3]
          cloud_loud
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          I actually quite like his debut solo album. Fine Line is also good but not as strong as the other two imo.

          I actually quite like his debut solo album. Fine Line is also good but not as strong as the other two imo.

          3 votes
          1. [2]
            Thales
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            Fine Line has a fantastic front half, imo: Golden, Watermelon Sugar, Adore You, Lights Up, Cherry, Falling. The second half brings the album down, but the first six songs are good enough that I'd...

            Fine Line has a fantastic front half, imo:

            Golden, Watermelon Sugar, Adore You, Lights Up, Cherry, Falling.

            The second half brings the album down, but the first six songs are good enough that I'd rank it higher than his debut and either just above or equal to Harry's House.


            My Harry's House ranking (this won't be controversial...)

            Daydreaming
            Satellite
            Keep Driving
            Late Night Talking
            Music for a Sushi Restaurant
            Daylight
            As It Was
            Little Freak
            Cinema
            Grapejuice
            Love of My Life
            Matilda
            Boyfriends


            My girlfriend is a massive fan of One Direction and their solo careers. I have become a fan by association (lol).

            1 vote
            1. cloud_loud
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              My experience with One Direction was limited. I was a teenage boy when they were big so I was not the demographic for them. Though I did enjoy maybe one or two songs from them at the time. I...

              My experience with One Direction was limited. I was a teenage boy when they were big so I was not the demographic for them. Though I did enjoy maybe one or two songs from them at the time.

              I actually became a Styles fan kind of early on, when I heard Sign of the Times which I thought was incredibly beautiful. And that was the same year he had Dunkirk, so that was what did it for me.

              2 votes