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Daily thread - United States 2021 transition of power - January 13

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  1. dredmorbius
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    WaPo: TRUMP IMPEACHED AGAIN https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/13/trump-impeachment-biden-transition-live-updates/ NPR: A majority of the House have voted to impeach Donald John Trump...

    WaPo: TRUMP IMPEACHED AGAIN

    The House voted Wednesday to impeach President Trump an unprecedented second time, on a charge of “inciting violence” against the U.S. government. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) left open the possibility of voting to convict at a trial, which would occur after Trump leaves office next week.

    During debate on the House floor, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said Trump “bears responsibility” for last week’s violent takeover of the Capitol but argued against impeachment so close to the end of his term. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) called Trump “a clear and present danger” and said “he must go.” ...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/13/trump-impeachment-biden-transition-live-updates/

    NPR: A majority of the House have voted to impeach Donald John Trump for the second time

    Ten Republicans have joined with all Democrats who've yet voted. Voting continues, but the outcome is certain.

    And Speaker Pelosi has just announced the vote.

    19 votes
  2. [10]
    skybrian
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    GOP lawmakers dodge metal detectors added after Capitol riots [...]

    GOP lawmakers dodge metal detectors added after Capitol riots

    Some refused to go through the detectors. Others pushed past police after setting off the devices. One legislator even took to the House floor to call the measures “an atrocity.”

    [...]

    Still, a group of GOP lawmakers ignored the new security measures. Matt Fuller, a HuffPost reporter, tweeted that he witnessed about a dozen Republicans walk around the magnetometer, including Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.), Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) and Rep. Randy Weber (R-Tex.). A handful barreled through, even if they set off the alarm, he reported.

    16 votes
    1. Deimos
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      Pelosi has announced that when the House returns to session on January 21, they will vote on a new rule that will fine reps who refuse to follow the screening protocols. The first offense will be...

      Pelosi has announced that when the House returns to session on January 21, they will vote on a new rule that will fine reps who refuse to follow the screening protocols. The first offense will be $5000 and the second $10,000, deducted directly from their salary (so they can't just refuse to pay).

      10 votes
    2. MimicSquid
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      That's wildly suspicious.

      That's wildly suspicious.

      8 votes
    3. [6]
      RapidEyeMovement
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      I would hate to be treated like an inner-city kid going to Highschool too

      I would hate to be treated like an inner-city kid going to Highschool too

      8 votes
      1. spit-evil-olive-tips
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        Back in 2014, the Supreme Court ruled that Amazon warehouse employees, waiting half an hour in a security screening line to make sure they didn't steal anything as they left, didn't need to be...

        Back in 2014, the Supreme Court ruled that Amazon warehouse employees, waiting half an hour in a security screening line to make sure they didn't steal anything as they left, didn't need to be paid for that time.

        I have absolutely zero sympathy for these crybabies in Congress.

        19 votes
      2. skybrian
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        Everyone else going into a federal building (like a courthouse) or getting on a plane has to do this.

        Everyone else going into a federal building (like a courthouse) or getting on a plane has to do this.

        12 votes
      3. [3]
        Micycle_the_Bichael
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        Metal detectors aren't limited to inner-city highschools, at least not in my experience. My suburban majority upper middle class high school w/ state champion sports teams and top 20 in academics...

        Metal detectors aren't limited to inner-city highschools, at least not in my experience. My suburban majority upper middle class high school w/ state champion sports teams and top 20 in academics had metal detectors and I graduated almost a decade ago. My "nephew's" (idk what you call my cousin's kid) school put them in a couple years back when they started active-shooter drills. Metal detectors are just high school now.

        7 votes
    4. nukeman
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      Probably the one thing I’m somewhat inclined to agree with GOP on, although not the flagrant tamper tantrums part.

      Probably the one thing I’m somewhat inclined to agree with GOP on, although not the flagrant tamper tantrums part.

  3. skybrian
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    Airbnb, HotelTonight cancel all Washington, DC, metro reservations ahead of inauguration

    Airbnb, HotelTonight cancel all Washington, DC, metro reservations ahead of inauguration

    "Today, in response to various local, state and federal officials asking people not to travel to Washington, D.C., we are announcing that Airbnb will cancel reservations in the Washington, D.C. metro area during the inauguration week," Airbnb said in the statement. "Additionally, we will prevent any new reservations in the Washington, D.C., area from being booked during that time by blocking such reservations."

    Airbnb added the decision was informed by input from its host community in addition to Washington, D.C. officials, D.C. Metro Police and members of Congress this week.

    13 votes
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    skybrian
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    Telegram tries, and fails, to remove extremist content [...] [...]

    Telegram tries, and fails, to remove extremist content

    Scores of posts and online groups containing violent content linked with the recent riots in Washington have been removed from Telegram, the encrypted messenger, according to the company.

    Yet despite the move, Telegram remains rife with far-right and white supremacist groups, with several of their channels garnering tens of thousands of subscribers, according to a review of the network by POLITICO. Several channels specifically associate themselves with the Proud Boys white supremacist movement, while others urge people to take up arms ahead of President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration on January 20.

    [...]

    “In the past 24 hours alone, we have blocked dozens of public channels that contained calls to violence, and continue monitoring the situation closely,” Mike Ravdonikas, a Telegram spokesperson, told POLITICO, though would not say how any channels had been removed. “Our terms of service expressly forbid public calls to violence.”

    [...]

    TikTok, the video app popular amongst teens, has similarly seen an influx of right-wing militia groups, some of which have used the Chinese-owned social network to mobilize support for their cause, including potentially offline protests ahead of January 20, according to Media Matters, a left-leaning watchdog group.

    After POLITICO flagged several pro-militia and violent posts that had appeared on TikTok to the company, the social network removed those posts. But hashtags supportive of Donald Trump’s false claims that the recent U.S. presidential election had been fraudulent were still prevalent across the platform, based on a review of online material.

    10 votes
    1. RapidEyeMovement
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      My understanding is previously tiktok has been fallow ground for far right, what changed?

      My understanding is previously tiktok has been fallow ground for far right, what changed?

      1 vote
  5. skybrian
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    A Black officer faced down a mostly White mob at the Capitol. Meet Eugene Goodman. [...]

    A Black officer faced down a mostly White mob at the Capitol. Meet Eugene Goodman.

    Generally private and reserved, the D.C. native has started to worry about becoming a potential target of far-right extremist groups that have vowed to return to D.C. this weekend and for next week’s inauguration.

    [...]

    A close friend of Goodman’s, who asked to be identified by his first name, Terry, out of fear of being targeted by far-right extremists, said the officer has a reputation for being a calm leader during emergencies.

    10 votes
  6. Icarus
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    On impeachment and Republican leadership: Also thought this was interesting: It will be interesting listening in on C-SPAN over the next week as the language they may use about Donald Trump will...

    On impeachment and Republican leadership:

    Senior House Republican leadership officials now predict that between eight and 12 Republicans will vote to impeach President Donald Trump. That’s down slightly from the 10 to 20 they previously predicted. An underwhelming total in the House could tamp down GOP support for impeachment in the Senate.

    Here’s a question to ponder this afternoon: Could House Republican Conference Liz Cheney lose her leadership position if she votes to impeach Trump? We already hear rumblings from the right flank of the conference that they want to oust her for backing the president’s removal.

    Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) told Mike DeBonis of the Washington Post that the GOP conference should hold a vote to reconsider Cheney’s leadership position. Cheney is the No. 3 House Republican and the highest-ranking woman in GOP leadership. Jordan says the broader Freedom Caucus wants to dump her too. “What do you think? Yes,” Jordan said of the hardline conservative faction.

    Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona -- a staunch Trump ally -- is already circulating a petition (PDF Warning) to call for a meeting to get rid of Cheney. This resolution would do the trick of forcing a vote, insiders tell us.

    There are two ways to force this vote. Biggs can introduce his resolution, and the conference would then refer it to the GOP steering committee or some other special panel inside the conference. If it garners 25 or more signatures, the petition would be reported back to the conference as soon as possible within 10 legislative days. If it gets 50 or more signatures, it automatically gets sent to the conference. Twenty percent of the conference -- roughly 40 Republicans -- can also call a meeting and schedule the vote on recalling Cheney. Or leadership -- with GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy’s blessing -- could short-circuit the whole process and schedule a vote. (This is enumerated in rule six of the GOP rules.)

    The vote would almost certainly be conducted by secret ballot. This will also be an interesting moment for McCarthy and House Minority Whip Steve Scalise -- will they take the same position on Cheney?

    The real question is whether McCarthy and Scalise try to save Cheney, or will they “stay neutral,” as leadership frequently tries to do. Make no mistake about it: McCarthy and Scalise could prevent Cheney from being removed from leadership if they tried. The two top Republicans aren’t showing their hands yet. Some in leadership wonder if Cheney actually wants the job. This backlash was easy to predict.

    Rep. Elise Stefanik of New York is high on the list to replace Cheney. Stefanik probably could slide into the House Republican Conference chair spot with ease. The conference chair likely needs to be a woman with men in the top two slots, and Stefanik is as well-liked as anyone in the House GOP. Stefanik, 36, came to national prominence in 2019 for her vocal defense of Trump during his first impeachment.

    Also thought this was interesting:

    A procedural measure passed last night included a special provision to allow members to talk about President Donald Trump in a personal manner -- a departure from long-standing House rules that barred such references. In short, they’re free to say nasty stuff about Trump without repercussions. Here’s the text:

    Sec. 2. The prohibition against personality in debate shall not apply during consideration of measures specified in section 3 of this resolution with respect to references to the President.

    It will be interesting listening in on C-SPAN over the next week as the language they may use about Donald Trump will be a change from in the past. I wonder how far Dems will go.

    7 votes
  7. [2]
    Deimos
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    Mike Masnick takes a brief look at the lawsuit Parler filed against Amazon in response to getting kicked off AWS: Parler's Laughably Bad Antitrust Lawsuit Against Amazon

    Mike Masnick takes a brief look at the lawsuit Parler filed against Amazon in response to getting kicked off AWS: Parler's Laughably Bad Antitrust Lawsuit Against Amazon

    7 votes
    1. cfabbro
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      Related: Amazon urges court to let it keep conservative app Parler offline And some disturbing Parler user quotes Amazon including in the filing, from Gizmodo: Amazon Court Filing Includes...

      Related: Amazon urges court to let it keep conservative app Parler offline

      “This case is not about suppressing speech or stifling viewpoints,” Amazon’s attorneys wrote. “Instead, this case is about Parler’s demonstrated unwillingness and inability to remove from the servers of Amazon Web Services (‘AWS’) content that threatens the public safety, such as by inciting and planning the rape, torture, and assassination of named public officials and private citizens.”

      Parler’s lack of content moderation, Amazon said, had led to a “steady increase” in violent content on the network, in violation of Amazon’s terms of service.

      Parler’s choice of attorney in the case is something of an enigma. Solo practitioner David Groesbeck, of Spokane, has previously represented local businesses in licensing, real estate and property disputes. Groesbeck has not responded to requests for comment; his website redirects to an “under construction” page.

      Groesbeck filed the suit from an Olympia address owned by lobbyist Tom McBride. Reached by phone, McBride said that he was unaffiliated with Groesbeck’s law firm and that Groesbeck no longer rents the home listed on the lawsuit.

      And some disturbing Parler user quotes Amazon including in the filing, from Gizmodo:
      Amazon Court Filing Includes Chilling Death Threats Published on Parler

      The threats Amazon filed as examples of extremist speech on Parler are below. All redactions and censoring of words appears in the original court filing.

      • “Fry’em up. The whole fkn crew. #pelosi #aoc #thesquad #soros #gates #chuckschumer #hrc #obama #adamschiff #blm #antifa we are coming for you and you will know it.”
      • “#JackDorsey ... you will die a bloody death alongside Mark Suckerturd [Zuckerberg].... It has been decided and plans are being put in place. Remember the photographs inside your home while you slept? Yes, that close. You will die a sudden death!”
      • “We are going to fight in a civil War on Jan.20th, Form MILITIAS now and acquire targets.”
      • “On January 20th we need to start systematicly [sic] assassinating [sic] #liberal leaders, liberal activists, #blm leaders and supporters, members of the #nba #nfl #mlb #nhl #mainstreammedia anchors and correspondents and #antifa. I already have a news worthy event planned.”
      • “Shoot the police that protect these shitbag senators right in the head then make the senator grovel a bit before capping they ass.”
      • “After the firing squads are done with the politicians the teachers are next.”
      • “Death to @‍zuckerberg @‍realjeffbezos @‍jackdorsey @‍pichai.”
      • “White people need to ignite their racial identity and rain down suffering and death like a hurricane upon zionists.”
      • “Put a target on these motherless trash [Antifa] they aren’t human taking one out would be like stepping on a roach no different.”
      • “We need to act like our forefathers did Kill [Black and Jewish people] all Leave no victims or survivors.”
      • “We are coming with our list we know where you live we know who you are and we are coming for you and it starts on the 6th civil war... Lol if you will think it’s a joke... Enjoy your last few days you have.”
      • “This bitch [Stacey Abrams] will be good target practice for our beginners.”
      • “This cu** [United States Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao] should be... hung for betraying their country.”
      • “Hang this mofo [Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger] today.”
      • “HANG THAt N***** ASAP”
      9 votes
  8. skybrian
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    Kevin McCarthy Tells GOP to Stop Claiming Antifa Caused Riot, Says Trump 'Bears Responsibility'

    Kevin McCarthy Tells GOP to Stop Claiming Antifa Caused Riot, Says Trump 'Bears Responsibility'

    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy on Wednesday sought to put an end to the false narrative among some rank-and-file Republicans and allies of President Donald Trump that left-wing actors were responsible for last week's deadly violence at the U.S. Capitol.

    The California Republican stated in a floor speech just before the chamber impeached the commander-in-chief—again—that while he disagrees with the "incitement of insurrection" impeachment article, Trump is unequivocally to blame for hundreds of his supporters seizing the halls of Congress during an attack that resulted in five deaths, including that of a Capitol Police officer.

    6 votes
  9. [2]
    Adys
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    Good thread by Jack Dorsey on why they banned trump. https://mobile.twitter.com/jack/status/1349510769268850690

    Good thread by Jack Dorsey on why they banned trump.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jack/status/1349510769268850690

    3 votes
    1. skybrian
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      That thread goes in a weird direction. I didn’t know he was such a Bitcoin fan and don’t understand Bluesky at all.

      That thread goes in a weird direction. I didn’t know he was such a Bitcoin fan and don’t understand Bluesky at all.

      6 votes
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      spctrvl
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      The more we learn about this, the more I feel like we dodged a massive bullet with this coup attempt. It's like if the reichstag fire was put out by the sprinklers and the Nazis lost the next...

      The more we learn about this, the more I feel like we dodged a massive bullet with this coup attempt. It's like if the reichstag fire was put out by the sprinklers and the Nazis lost the next week's elections.

      15 votes
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        nukeman
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        I’m still worried it’s the “Beer Hall Putsch” phase, and we’re in for a whole lot more.

        I’m still worried it’s the “Beer Hall Putsch” phase, and we’re in for a whole lot more.

        13 votes
        1. spctrvl
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          Well, in defense of my analogy, if the Nazis had been voted out, they would have still been around. The problems we face are the same ones the Weimar Republic would in that hypothetical, and it's...

          Well, in defense of my analogy, if the Nazis had been voted out, they would have still been around. The problems we face are the same ones the Weimar Republic would in that hypothetical, and it's these: how can we purge our government and society of authoritarian politics without losing a world war and being occupied by foreign powers interested in the same? How can we do it without building structures that can be turned against us by future authroitarians? How can we go about this without ourselves falling victim to authoritarianism?

          Not questions with easy answers, and I've not seen good trends in that direction. The media are prepared to dick ride what are essentially Bush-era republicans just because they oppose the farcical authoritarianism of Trump, even when the path of development from the former to the latter is basically a straight line. If the Republican party is rehabilitated in the popular consciousness along those lines, then yeah, we'll be back here in a decade or two at most. The only semi-realistic path forward I see is building a democratic coalition as strong as the New Dealers, that reduces the republican party into cultural and electoral irrelevance for a good generation or two, a position they occupied for much of the 20th century. But uh, yeah, indicators aren't looking good there either.

          8 votes
    2. vord
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      I really hope that this series of events is enough to start kicking out vast numbers of representatives and people start getting serious about election reform.

      While the GOP has long been a party of racists and white supremacists, they are just completely mask off now.

      I really hope that this series of events is enough to start kicking out vast numbers of representatives and people start getting serious about election reform.

      13 votes
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      streblo
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      Until we have more information -- this seems potentially misleading. I'm sure there were more than a few new members of congress showing their family/friends around the building. Has Sherill...

      Rep. Mikie Sherrill, during a live webcast Tuesday evening, said she witnessed some members of Congress leading people through the Capitol on Jan. 5 in what she termed a "reconnaissance for the next day" when insurrectionists took part in a deadly siege on the legislative branch.

      Until we have more information -- this seems potentially misleading. I'm sure there were more than a few new members of congress showing their family/friends around the building. Has Sherill expanded on what she saw exactly and why she is jumping to this conclusion?

      11 votes
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    4. skybrian
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      I’m wondering how you distinguish a “reconnaissance tour” from any other tour of the Capitol? I guess we will have to wait for details. But it seems pretty clear that there is a lot of fear on...

      I’m wondering how you distinguish a “reconnaissance tour” from any other tour of the Capitol? I guess we will have to wait for details. But it seems pretty clear that there is a lot of fear on Capitol Hill about who else is cooperating with the insurrection.

      5 votes
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    1. RapidEyeMovement
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      Right now the national guard is actively displaying an overwhelming show of force. This is to discourage any further acts of violence. This is to ensure a peaceful transition of power, and it...

      Right now the national guard is actively displaying an overwhelming show of force. This is to discourage any further acts of violence. This is to ensure a peaceful transition of power, and it removes the possibility of more shenanigans.

      9 votes
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      1. nukeman
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        I’m still worried about something like this happening, and escalating things into a firefight or an insurgency. I’m terrified we’re in a phase where anything we do, including nothing, will let...

        I’m still worried about something like this happening, and escalating things into a firefight or an insurgency. I’m terrified we’re in a phase where anything we do, including nothing, will let things escalate further, or worse, that we’ve already passed the point of no return, but we just don’t know it yet.

        7 votes