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Daily thread - United States 2021 transition of power - January 21

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  1. [8]
    MonkeyPants
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    ‘Worse Than We Imagined’: Team Trump Left Biden a COVID Nightmare

    ‘Worse Than We Imagined’: Team Trump Left Biden a COVID Nightmare

    “We don't have the visibility that we would hope to have into supply and allocations.”

    The new administration is already behind, in part because the Trump administration was unprecedentedly hostile during the transition.

    Biden’s COVID-19 team says the president will use the Defense Production Act (DPA) to ensure that health-care facilities have what they need for personal protective equipment and to continue to scale testing across the country. Officials say Biden will also use the act and “other legal authorities” for “raw materials to ensure that bottlenecks do not slow down [vaccine] production,” Zients said, specifically mentioned the production of syringes as critical to success.

    Those officials said the Biden team has for weeks reached out to states to assuage their concerns about the lack of a cohesive and functioning vaccination distribution system.

    12 votes
    1. [7]
      streblo
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      There was apparently no federal plan to tackle COVID. Absolutely bonkers.
      12 votes
      1. [3]
        MonkeyPants
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        There was a plan, called Operation Warp Speed It seems that the plan was just incredibly bad, and states did better on average if each figured it out on their own.

        There was a plan, called Operation Warp Speed

        The Federal Pharmacy Partnership delivers doses to CVS and Walgreens locations, which then send pharmacists for mass vaccinations at care facilities like nursing homes

        As of January 6, 2021, the CDC was reporting 17,288,950 doses distributed, but only 5,306,797 actually administered to a person.[58] Of those, 3,416,875 were distributed and 511,635 administered through the Federal Pharmacy Partnership.

        It seems that the plan was just incredibly bad, and states did better on average if each figured it out on their own.

        5 votes
        1. [2]
          Omnicrola
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          Listened to an episode of The Journal that would seem to bear out that assertion. Summary:

          states did better on average if each figured it out on their own

          Listened to an episode of The Journal that would seem to bear out that assertion.

          Summary:

          West Virginia has administered first doses of Covid-19 vaccines at one of the highest rates in the country. Covid Czar Dr. Clay Marsh tells us how the state did it by forgoing the federal government's plan

          7 votes
          1. stu2b50
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            To some extent that was the CDC's fault - the federal guidelines for vaccinations were superbly overcomplicated, with subcategories for subcategories, and if the country were a computer, it would...

            To some extent that was the CDC's fault - the federal guidelines for vaccinations were superbly overcomplicated, with subcategories for subcategories, and if the country were a computer, it would be an effective way to triage limited resources to the people that need it the most. Unfortunately, the actual result is that there's so much FUD around who can get a vaccine and where, that it leads to vaccines not being used, vaccines not being distributed, and more. A simple plan that everyone can understand, even if it has holes and leaves some groups which "deserve" the vaccine behind, is better, because it can actually be executed.

            To be fair, I think it's an effective argument that the CDC should focus on science and the federal administration should focus on distilling that down to public policy that works, and the previous administration completely and utterly failed at that, so full blame on them is probably fine.

            10 votes
      2. [2]
        skybrian
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        I think this depends on what you mean by "plan" and "distribution." It might help to be more specific about what's missing that should be fixed. Pfizer has a plan on how to distribute vaccines in...

        I think this depends on what you mean by "plan" and "distribution." It might help to be more specific about what's missing that should be fixed.

        Pfizer has a plan on how to distribute vaccines in the US that includes such details as designing custom containers to ship the vaccine in via UPS and FedEx. They are executing on it. Moderna has their own plan which relies on a distributor, McKesson.

        It seems they aren't deciding where the vaccines will go, though? The US government prepaid for the vaccines and they are telling them where to ship it. How that happens is a bit murky, but they're doing it, so someone somewhere must have been telling them what to do?

        There are two vaccines that work, are being shipped, and millions of people are getting vaccinated. It needs to be a lot faster but this is clearly not having to "build everything from scratch." I assume that hyperbolic statement is out of frustration but it's not clear what CNN's source meant by it other than to sound alarming.

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        1. Omnicrola
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          Granted, CNN loves its sensational headlines. I interpreted the "from scratch" as more of a description of a lack of any central planning. Sounds like a lot of different people (CDC, Pfizer, etc)...

          Granted, CNN loves its sensational headlines. I interpreted the "from scratch" as more of a description of a lack of any central planning. Sounds like a lot of different people (CDC, Pfizer, etc) all did their best to coordinate and get things going, without any cohesive central planning by the Trump admin. I imagine some sycophant Trump appointee walking into meetings to do "planning" and it basically being them saying "you guys got this right? good? ok cool, you do that then".

          5 votes
  2. [2]
    suspended
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    Biden unveils Covid-19 plan based 'science not politics' as he signs new initiatives
    6 votes
    1. MonkeyPants
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      The contrasting of different leadership approaches is really quite astounding.

      Building on the order he signed Wednesday making masks mandatory on federal property, Biden also took action to require facial coverings in airports and on certain modes of transportation, including many trains, planes, maritime vessels and intercity buses. Thursday's executive order also requires international travelers to provide proof of a negative Covid-19 test prior to traveling to the US.

      The contrasting of different leadership approaches is really quite astounding.

      6 votes
  3. [2]
    emdash
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    Meta: given the transition of power is now complete, and this thread seems to contain mostly Biden-related policy enactments and such now, is it worth discontinuing this thread, or dropping it...

    Meta: given the transition of power is now complete, and this thread seems to contain mostly Biden-related policy enactments and such now, is it worth discontinuing this thread, or dropping it back to once a week for the month of Jan/Feb? It might also help with disincentivizing further political discussion.

    Some things like Axios' Off the Rails story probably deserve their own submissions too.

    6 votes
    1. Omnicrola
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      I'm ok keeping this around a little longer. I'm interested in the things Biden's doing in his first days, but I don't think they each warrant an individual post. There's also the pending...

      I'm ok keeping this around a little longer. I'm interested in the things Biden's doing in his first days, but I don't think they each warrant an individual post. There's also the pending impeachment trial, which will generate it's own collection of links and may or may not be slotted in here.

      The Axios stories have been great, once the series is complete they probably deserve a whole post to themselves.

      4 votes
  4. [4]
    spit-evil-olive-tips
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    Nearly 1 In 5 Defendants In Capitol Riot Cases Served In The Military

    Nearly 1 In 5 Defendants In Capitol Riot Cases Served In The Military

    NPR compiled a list of individuals facing federal or District of Columbia charges in connection with the events of Jan. 6. Of more than 140 charged so far, a review of military records, social media accounts, court documents and news reports indicate at least 27 of those charged, or nearly 20%, have served or are currently serving in the U.S. military. To put that number in perspective, only about 7% of all American adults are military veterans, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

    6 votes
    1. [2]
      nukeman
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      That’s one of the most worrisome things for me. Extremist veterans can provide tactical training to others, have knowledge in critical areas (not just combat; think comms, logistics, etc), and...

      That’s one of the most worrisome things for me. Extremist veterans can provide tactical training to others, have knowledge in critical areas (not just combat; think comms, logistics, etc), and have a similar mindset to those they oppose. Remember that McVeigh was an Army vet.

      6 votes
      1. [2]
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        1. Thra11
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          @spit-evil-olive-tips' quote up thread explicitly deals with this. If you take a random sample of 140 American adults, you would expect to find about 7%, or roughly 10 veterans. Of the 140 charged...

          You are going to have a large amount of them in any big enough group in America.

          @spit-evil-olive-tips' quote up thread explicitly deals with this. If you take a random sample of 140 American adults, you would expect to find about 7%, or roughly 10 veterans. Of the 140 charged so far, at least 27 (20%) are veterans, meaning that a disproportionately large number of those charged are veterans.

          6 votes
    2. the_funky_buddha
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      Not surprised. The kind of work is extreme, depending on MOS and hence tends to attract higher-than-average extreme mentalities. I've seen it when I was in also, even recruited into it to some...

      Not surprised. The kind of work is extreme, depending on MOS and hence tends to attract higher-than-average extreme mentalities. I've seen it when I was in also, even recruited into it to some extent in a galaxy long ago and far away only to realize my faults later in life. But it should be a caution to liberals that you can't always count on the pen protecting you. The hard powers you also have to practice just like your opponents or else it can leave you blind-sided should the militant crazies gain too much power.

      3 votes