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Weekly US politics news and updates thread - week of March 29
This thread is posted weekly - please try to post all relevant US political content in here, such as news, updates, opinion articles, etc. Extremely significant events may warrant a separate topic, but almost all should be posted in here.
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Why Democrats might need to play dirty to win: The party is trying to ban partisan gerrymandering nationwide, but with the threat of Republicans redrawing districts in red states, doing the same in blue states like New York might be the only way to preserve the Democratic House majority.
While I think most of the article is a decently interesting talk about how Democrats in New York are adapting to this, I think the part of the article I quoted really sums it all up. With the paper-thin margin Democrats hold in the house, Democrats are basically playing prisoner's dilemma with gerrymandering.
This is really interesting, and you've articulated it so well.
This rings false to me. Democrats can work to gerrymander blue states while offering federal legislation that would presumably stop all gerrymandering.
Democrats have a culture of being afraid. Fear of right wing anger.
On one hand, death threats are real and scary. The tall poppy gets cut.
On the other hand, wars have been fought over much less.
I don't think that's true, though, because in general, characterizing the entirety of the Democratic party in some shape or fashion tends to be wrong. Being the coalition of the entire left of center (and arguably center too) it's just functionally impossible to be in agreement like that.
Some members of the party are more idealistic, some are more realpolitik. That's a real distinction - it's just not that everyone is "afraid of right wing anger". Even on this small site, whether or not to be pursue the utilitarian optimal or the idealistic principle in politics is constantly debated.
Clearly it would be best for districting to be done algorithmically, or by neutral 3rd parties, or both, and that's exactly what many Democrat dominated states have done (California, for example).
It's not an easy sell to say "Hey guys, we should instead actively disenfranchise the Republican voters in our state to tit-for-tat with Republican states", because disenfranchising anyone sounds pretty bad!
Some people can perfectly justifiably take the stance that it's a long term move - do the tit-for-tat until we have enough national political capital to rid ourselves of gerrymandering for good. But you cannot simply blame the people who don't want to do that with "oh, they're just afraid of Republican anger".
It's difficult, but finding a unifying commonality is incredibly useful.
Great point. Gerrymandering is a state level decision. Getting all Democrats on board is like herding cats. Republicans are much better at forcing everyone fall into line. But why? It fundamentally comes down to fear again. Fear of being labeled a RINO. Fear of death threats. Look at poor Mitt Romney.
And although something is hard to do it doesn't mean it should be avoided.
Fundamentally the modern Republican coalition is one based around the identity politics of being white and conservative in the US - that inherently is a more unifying demographic than the Democrats, who traditionally have far more minorities. Additionally, while not entirely, policy is much more important to the Democratic coalition, while the Republicans literally ran without a policy platform in 2020.
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Implied by this is that counter-gerrymandering is the correct thing to do, you just need to "herd" all the unruly cats to it. That's not the case? Disenfranchising people is a terrible thing to do. It's far from the objectively, clear-cut thing to do.
The decision between not doing something shitty, and doing something shitty for the greater good is classic philosphical problem. I cannot see how you're just reducing it to "oh, they should do it, but they're just not in enough FEAR".
Two Capitol Police officers are injured in a vehicle attack; complex is on lockdown.
Conservatives frustrated by popularity of Dems' voting-rights bill
New York City mayoral candidate Andrew Yang discharged from hospital after kidney stone
I think this is a great follow-up article for any article that talks in decent detail about Republicans' very negative response to changes in voting derived from the pandemic, like the one posted here or this article or this one:
This could be Democrats’ only chance to stop the GOP's assault on voting rights
Party Primaries Must Go: Extremely low turnout means partisan primaries motivate legislators to keep in lockstep with a narrow and extreme slice of the electorate rather than govern in the public interest.
A solution to this problem that he mentions on the article is this:
Personally I find this to be definitely far better than the current system, albeit I think primaries would still be good in a national level because they can highlight differences inside the parties and encourage reconciling them (which is why primaries exist in the US) as opposed to generally having your party's candidate for president be a choice left to a far smaller group, albeit this would be far better if the US had an electoral system that truly allowed multiple parties.
Frankly, I’d rather move toward a multi-party system (probably via MMP) with parties being allowed stricter primaries. These massive big tent parties aren’t exactly productive.
The G.O.P. Has Some Voters It Likes and Some It Doesn’t aka The Republican Party Is Driving the Nation's Democratic Decline.
Curiously, I prefer the Yahoo News highly partisan click baity title to the NY Times title which seems completely divorced from the content of the opinion piece.
Starting to feel like these threads are really quieting down. Maybe it's time to move this to fortnightly/monthly?
Tangent thought: It's a real mental balm to see this recurring topic pop up, and have it be up for hours (or days) and only have a small handful of things in it. I think about how much fear, anticipation, dread, and anger I felt over the last year or so around politics (never mind a pandemic) and looking at these increasingly empty threads allows me to take notice of the absence of the insanity that was here previously. This is not to say that there's not still things wrong in the political arena, far from it. But it's a really refreshing moment when I notice the difference.
Or just have people submit US political news as stand-alone submissions whenever they please.
The volume of contetnt is way down. I'd argue it never was a problem and needed these threads in the first place, but now it surely stifles conversation more than it's a benefit.
I mean, there was a time when there were 25-30 links posted each week, and corralling them was helpful; it's definitely less of a thing now.
Maybe convert it to a broader discussion thread (here or in ~misc or ~talk), rather than just a news link?
Its really shitty, but this particular thing happens across the political spectrum when it comes to fundraising. One of my clients is an older lady who makes a lot of political donations, and I have to go through ActBlue every month and turn off recurring donations she didn't mean to set up.
Really, every shitty thing in that article is an issue with political fundraising in general. Trump's apparatus is impressive only in scale, not in type.
Emphasis mine.
Look, I detest Trump and what he's done to our political system. I would personally prefer to have elections be publicly financed. But it is indeed a matter of scale than type.
I'm think it's unfair to emphasize that particular phrase while divorcing it from the following sentence. Sure, the Biden campaign sometimes prechecked recurring donations, but only when the Biden campaign explicitly directed people to a page for recurring donations. That's hardly the sort of dark pattern the article alludes to (compare that with Trump's fundraising emails [1]).
Or as a perhaps more objective measure, look at the figure about halfway down the page of the NYT article. Although the Biden and Trump campaigns raised a similar amount of money, the rate of refunds for the Trump campaign increased drastically starting around June. By November, refunds were requested at five times the rate by Trump donors vs Biden donors. In my opinion, that doesn't indicate the problems only differ by scale ; rather, it indicates that the problems stem from fundamentally separate causes (in this case, the Trump campaign's willingness to engage in duplicitous behavior).
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/3/22365952/trump-dark-patterns-trick-supporters-recurring-donation-winred-gary-coby
The thing is (I can't fucking believe I'm defending the Republican side on anything) there's nothing in the article that shows how clearly Democratic campaigns actually signposted the recurring charges, and I have personal experience with an older lady routinely and accidentally signing up for recurring donations to Democratic causes independent of Biden's campaign.
That objective measure of refunds is a little less clear than it seems on the surface: because Trump worked to centralize donations under his own banner and Democrats worked to distribute funding more broadly, Trump ended up keeping a much smaller percentage of those donations due to the cap on personal donations to any given campaign. All the refunds show is what was given back, not how much was taken in due to such dark patterns.
I'm not saying Trump isn't awful, I'm not saying this isn't bad. I'm saying that it's more complex than this article goes in to.
You posting more links about how the Republican side is really truly worse isn't changing this discussion. I already agree with you. I have never said I didn't agree with you. I've only said that Democrats have engaged in a milder version of the same thing, and I'm really frustrated that the responses have all been statements about how bad the Republicans are. I agree! I've said I agree. I can keep agreeing here, but this isn't actually a conversation that's going anywhere because you're not saying anything new.