OK that's positive... So...what did the US get out of this? Is this not like the JCPOA that was signed under the Obama admin, which Trump then tore up? What was the point of all this? I fucking...
It includes: a permanent and immediate cessation of hostilities on all fronts, including Lebanon; the complete lifting of the naval blockade within 30 days; a US commitment to withdraw its forces from around Iran; and the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz.
OK that's positive...
The draft also mentions the suspension of sanctions on Iranian oil sales, reaching a final agreement on nuclear issues within 60 days of signing the deal, and the release of $24bn in frozen Iranian assets during the 60-day negotiation period.
So...what did the US get out of this? Is this not like the JCPOA that was signed under the Obama admin, which Trump then tore up? What was the point of all this?
I fucking hate this admin so much. And seriously dislike the people who voted for this. Yes, they voted for this, even if it was about eggs being expensive or whatever slop they saw on TikTok or wherever.
Ah... there it is. An agreement to reach an agreement that I'm pretty sure neither side is interested in compromising on. So this is most likely to be a 60-day (at most... perhaps less) pause in...
release of $24bn in frozen Iranian assets during the 60-day
reaching a final agreement on nuclear issues within 60 days of signing the deal
Ah... there it is. An agreement to reach an agreement that I'm pretty sure neither side is interested in compromising on.
So this is most likely to be a 60-day (at most... perhaps less) pause in which the US gives up leverage, Iran gets some breathing room to reconstitute and un-bury their munitions bunkers + access to their international assets, both sides? lift their respective blockades? - that wording isn't exactly clear but that is what would make sense, and traffic DOES NOT resume because the shipping industry is very risk-averse and will quite reasonably ask "so... exactly how sure are you that you found and destroyed/removed Every Last Naval Mine? And are you going to guarantee & pay out full ship-loss insurance costs if one of our tankers gets blown up? And waive us of all cleanup response obligations from the oil spill?"
Well, even with that it's still not all bad. If the 'cessation of hostilities on all fronts, including Lebanon' part holds then at least people stop getting killed for a while. A while is more than nothing - and vastly more than nothing to the people actively getting shot at / bombed.
So...what did the US get out of this? Is this not like the JCPOA that was signed under the Obama admin, which Trump then tore up? What was the point of all this?
We got nothing (nothing good anyway) and there was no point as far as I can tell. A cruel narcissist conned his way into power, likes hurting others for the sake of feeling powerful, and can't stand to be told 'no'. mr orange and his buddies got plenty tough, with that constant market manipulation of 'we're about to end the war / the war will be over in 2 weeks / we're days away from a deal' - what, a couple dozen times? More? With massive buys/shorts/whatevers on oil futures and such coincidentally an hour or 15 minutes before he says that crap to the press. Every Single Time. Very subtle.
Sigh. Sorry everyone for the negativity. I'm frustrated and angry with this morass we find ourselves wading through.
This is the type of language that would normally cause some eye rolling, but there is recent reporting that Iran used psychologists to help deal with Trump during negotiations lmao. FTA:
A cruel narcissist conned his way into power, likes hurting others for the sake of feeling powerful, and can't stand to be told 'no'.
This is the type of language that would normally cause some eye rolling, but there is recent reporting that Iran used psychologists to help deal with Trump during negotiations lmao. FTA:
“We added two senior psychologists to the negotiations’ advisory circle so that we can shape messages intended for President Trump from the perspective of managing what we regard as psychopathic behavior pattern,” an Iranian official told Drop Site. He said the psychologists began assisting Iranian negotiators following the initial round of bilateral talks in Islamabad in April as the two sides began exchanging proposed terms for a potential Memorandum of Understanding.
“[Trump’s] reactions have improved noticeably since we began incorporating the recommendations of these advisers into our messages and written communications,” said the official, who was not authorized to speak publicly.
This probably got picked up on Facebook because a quote like this is catnip to the boomer Occupy Dems resistance libs that are still hanging around the site, but make not mistake, Drop Site News...
This probably got picked up on Facebook because a quote like this is catnip to the boomer Occupy Dems resistance libs that are still hanging around the site, but make not mistake, Drop Site News is a solid outlet. Drop Site News is the creation of former Intercept/Democracy Now reporter Jeremy Scahill and Intercept/Huffpost reporter Ryan Grim. They've had great reporting on issues related to the Iran war and Israel-Palestine conflict, and have regularly been ahead of mainstream western outlets like BBC and NYT. Their batting average is significantly higher than someone like Barak Revid, but they have a fraction of the sway in mainstream western reporting.
I'm thinking that everyone will be so happy the strait is open that they'll agree some vague 'statement of intentions' re: nuclear research and Trump will sell it to his followers as the most...
I'm thinking that everyone will be so happy the strait is open that they'll agree some vague 'statement of intentions' re: nuclear research and Trump will sell it to his followers as the most incredible deal in history, if they even remember Iran after 60 days.
I'll give some charitable interpretation and note that Trump's ratings have been steadily slipping over these long months, and even his previous strongest policies (immigration and crime) are in...
I'll give some charitable interpretation and note that Trump's ratings have been steadily slipping over these long months, and even his previous strongest policies (immigration and crime) are in the negative. People soured especially quickly on Trump 47.
I'll also give some unchraitable interpretation and note that this is mostly because Democratic approval rating was rock bottom from day 1 and this decline is almost entirely from independent voters. Aka the fence setters already reset their fence. Moreover, Republican approval rating remains high, well into the 80's. They at best are blinded by propaganda, and at worst are still actively cheering all of this on.
Title is just copied from Aljazeera. I saw this pop up but wanted a non-US based source so I went to AJ first. This is by no means any kind of guarantee, and obviously Netanyahu has a vested...
Title is just copied from Aljazeera. I saw this pop up but wanted a non-US based source so I went to AJ first.
This is by no means any kind of guarantee, and obviously Netanyahu has a vested interest in keeping the war going, plus the orange is... well, an impulsive narcissist and all, so there's plenty that can go wrong here, but this is the first I've heard of Iranian sources agreeing that an agreement has been reached.
Currently set to be signed Friday in Switzerland. With all the caveats of course.
No idea what is actually in the agreement / memorandum of understanding.
Edit: I'm trying to hope against my cynical heart that this isn't another 'trump's friends enrich themselves with more market manipulation' and then hostilities resume. Pretty much my only reason for being willing to hope this even a little is that Iran is also saying there is an agreement.
OK that's positive...
So...what did the US get out of this? Is this not like the JCPOA that was signed under the Obama admin, which Trump then tore up? What was the point of all this?
I fucking hate this admin so much. And seriously dislike the people who voted for this. Yes, they voted for this, even if it was about eggs being expensive or whatever slop they saw on TikTok or wherever.
Ah... there it is. An agreement to reach an agreement that I'm pretty sure neither side is interested in compromising on.
So this is most likely to be a 60-day (at most... perhaps less) pause in which the US gives up leverage, Iran gets some breathing room to reconstitute and un-bury their munitions bunkers + access to their international assets, both sides? lift their respective blockades? - that wording isn't exactly clear but that is what would make sense, and traffic DOES NOT resume because the shipping industry is very risk-averse and will quite reasonably ask "so... exactly how sure are you that you found and destroyed/removed Every Last Naval Mine? And are you going to guarantee & pay out full ship-loss insurance costs if one of our tankers gets blown up? And waive us of all cleanup response obligations from the oil spill?"
Well, even with that it's still not all bad. If the 'cessation of hostilities on all fronts, including Lebanon' part holds then at least people stop getting killed for a while. A while is more than nothing - and vastly more than nothing to the people actively getting shot at / bombed.
We got nothing (nothing good anyway) and there was no point as far as I can tell. A cruel narcissist conned his way into power, likes hurting others for the sake of feeling powerful, and can't stand to be told 'no'. mr orange and his buddies got plenty tough, with that constant market manipulation of 'we're about to end the war / the war will be over in 2 weeks / we're days away from a deal' - what, a couple dozen times? More? With massive buys/shorts/whatevers on oil futures and such coincidentally an hour or 15 minutes before he says that crap to the press. Every Single Time. Very subtle.
Sigh. Sorry everyone for the negativity. I'm frustrated and angry with this morass we find ourselves wading through.
This is the type of language that would normally cause some eye rolling, but there is recent reporting that Iran used psychologists to help deal with Trump during negotiations lmao. FTA:
Search the quotes and the hits are this "drop site news" and Facebook.
This probably got picked up on Facebook because a quote like this is catnip to the boomer Occupy Dems resistance libs that are still hanging around the site, but make not mistake, Drop Site News is a solid outlet. Drop Site News is the creation of former Intercept/Democracy Now reporter Jeremy Scahill and Intercept/Huffpost reporter Ryan Grim. They've had great reporting on issues related to the Iran war and Israel-Palestine conflict, and have regularly been ahead of mainstream western outlets like BBC and NYT. Their batting average is significantly higher than someone like Barak Revid, but they have a fraction of the sway in mainstream western reporting.
I'm thinking that everyone will be so happy the strait is open that they'll agree some vague 'statement of intentions' re: nuclear research and Trump will sell it to his followers as the most incredible deal in history, if they even remember Iran after 60 days.
Given the lack of fury for inflation under Trump I think we all know it wasn’t just about eggs.
I'll give some charitable interpretation and note that Trump's ratings have been steadily slipping over these long months, and even his previous strongest policies (immigration and crime) are in the negative. People soured especially quickly on Trump 47.
I'll also give some unchraitable interpretation and note that this is mostly because Democratic approval rating was rock bottom from day 1 and this decline is almost entirely from independent voters. Aka the fence setters already reset their fence. Moreover, Republican approval rating remains high, well into the 80's. They at best are blinded by propaganda, and at worst are still actively cheering all of this on.
Title is just copied from Aljazeera. I saw this pop up but wanted a non-US based source so I went to AJ first.
This is by no means any kind of guarantee, and obviously Netanyahu has a vested interest in keeping the war going, plus the orange is... well, an impulsive narcissist and all, so there's plenty that can go wrong here, but this is the first I've heard of Iranian sources agreeing that an agreement has been reached.
Currently set to be signed Friday in Switzerland. With all the caveats of course.
No idea what is actually in the agreement / memorandum of understanding.
Edit: I'm trying to hope against my cynical heart that this isn't another 'trump's friends enrich themselves with more market manipulation' and then hostilities resume. Pretty much my only reason for being willing to hope this even a little is that Iran is also saying there is an agreement.