This is why I will never understand why people put cloud based security cameras inside their house. I understand some people wish to use them as baby monitors etc. but it really just invites these...
This is why I will never understand why people put cloud based security cameras inside their house. I understand some people wish to use them as baby monitors etc. but it really just invites these kinds of issues. I understand having cameras outside the home (we have a couple at my house in the backyard and front yard) but just never understand the purpose of putting them in various places in your house, especially in the bedroom or even the bathroom.
It’s also relatively straightforward to set up your own local system. And no monthly fees! There’s a reason it’s called CCTV. It should be a closed circuit!
It’s also relatively straightforward to set up your own local system. And no monthly fees!
There’s a reason it’s called CCTV. It should be a closed circuit!
I will say though, having the ability to view the camera feed while you aren’t home is a nice feature. I know there are ways to do this without relying on a cloud service. Ubiquity is one that I’m...
I will say though, having the ability to view the camera feed while you aren’t home is a nice feature. I know there are ways to do this without relying on a cloud service. Ubiquity is one that I’m familiar with but don’t know a ton about. This is probably something that I will look into more if/when I decide to take the dive into setting up a system like that.
It’s not CCTV but I use Reolink cameras without cloud services. The cameras will still send notifications and live feeds through my home lan to my phone wherever I am. It does go through their...
It’s not CCTV but I use Reolink cameras without cloud services. The cameras will still send notifications and live feeds through my home lan to my phone wherever I am. It does go through their servers so it may not be really secure.
That my be true for some, but not for the vast, vast, vast majority of people. About the only person who could set up what people are suggesting here (self-hosting, remote desktop, etc) for any of...
Incredibly simple.
That my be true for some, but not for the vast, vast, vast majority of people. About the only person who could set up what people are suggesting here (self-hosting, remote desktop, etc) for any of my family members, or extended family members, or neighbors, is me... and I sure as hell don't want the added work, or ongoing responsibility of keeping it all functioning for them. I get enough of that just keeping all their computers from imploding due to all the spyware/adware and other garbage they somehow still manage to regularly infest their computers with.
So whenever any of them has asked for a recommendation for a camera doorbell, that's why I just tell them to get a Ring. ;)
I bought a couple of Amazon Blink security cams for a remote property and they are definitely easier than average to set up. But I read the Terms and Conditions first and not only does it say that...
I bought a couple of Amazon Blink security cams for a remote property and they are definitely easier than average to set up. But I read the Terms and Conditions first and not only does it say that the video can be viewed by Amazon, but by any third party they designate AND the videos can be saved and used at their discretion in perpetuity.
Why? Because they're incredibly convenient, affordable, work well with my many Echo devices around the house, and I don't really care if anyone at Amazon HQ can see the videos. ;) I don't have any...
Why? Because they're incredibly convenient, affordable, work well with my many Echo devices around the house, and I don't really care if anyone at Amazon HQ can see the videos. ;)
I don't have any cameras inside my house though. Only outside.
What about neighbors though? I don’t know what your situation is like, but for us the family across the street has a Ring on their door pointed square at our yard, and I really hate that thing...
What about neighbors though? I don’t know what your situation is like, but for us the family across the street has a Ring on their door pointed square at our yard, and I really hate that thing being there.
Considering how many of our neighbors also have camera doorbells and security cams, I don't think that's a major issue. Even our new, young, hip, techie couple neighbors who moved in next door a...
Considering how many of our neighbors also have camera doorbells and security cams, I don't think that's a major issue. Even our new, young, hip, techie couple neighbors who moved in next door a few months ago immediately installed a Ring doorbell. And we're also pretty friendly with all our immediate neighbors after being here for 10 years now, and I haven't heard any complaints about the issue at any of the neighborhood BBQs yet.
And TBH, I think that's largely because the vast majority of people in general are like me, and don't really care all that much about the issue either. Hence why Ring doorbells and the like have been selling like hotcakes. I understand the complaints... and I wish video feed privacy was taken more seriously internally by Amazon and the like, but at the same time, I think Pandora's Box has already been opened regarding cloud-based home cameras in general... so fighting against the concept of them merely out of principle is a bit futile at this point. Just my 2¢
I’m not surprised either, but I do think this is a situation where “most” is quite a different thing to “all”. Apple has some reasonably pro-consumer privacy rules and at least somewhat enforces...
I’m not surprised either, but I do think this is a situation where “most” is quite a different thing to “all”.
Apple has some reasonably pro-consumer privacy rules and at least somewhat enforces them on partners through HomeKit - I wouldn’t trust them implicitly, but I’d consider them a whole different ballgame to Amazon. Ubiquiti make solid high-end hardware that’s designed to allow professionals to control exactly what it’s doing, and makes most of their money from the kind of business users who will notice if they fuck that up. Matter’s promised interoperability has the potential for some very interesting plug and play “home server” type boxes to bring locally hosted home automation to the masses, or at least the subset willing to pay an extra ~$200 up front in exchange for no monthly fees. Home Assistant does that now, for the other subset who have the time and skills to set it up.
Much of the market doesn’t care about privacy, and yes, that being the default frustrates me - but I’m glad that there actually are some viable, non-cost-prohibitive options for those who want them too. The smart home ecosystem feels like a cornucopia of choice and openness compared to, say, phones or TVs.
I can’t really blame someone for choosing the easy to setup and use security system, especially in times like this. However, I hope this helps someone gain the courage to roll their own self...
I can’t really blame someone for choosing the easy to setup and use security system, especially in times like this. However, I hope this helps someone gain the courage to roll their own self hosted and controlled setup. You don’t need multi thousand dollar Bosch or Axis cameras to have a perfect surveillance system, after all.
I was never 4chan-native but I found plenty of links from 4chan to other forums, even reddit, of sets of insecure IP cameras. I will never allow one to be where I live unless I have absolutely no...
I was never 4chan-native but I found plenty of links from 4chan to other forums, even reddit, of sets of insecure IP cameras. I will never allow one to be where I live unless I have absolutely no say in it (say I'm renting a room, I guess). Shit's too creepy, and a massive privacy and physical security hole.
This was exactly that scenario, with the same exact stuff, just provided as a "managed service," and Ring should've baked in security from their own employees at the beginning. The absolute best case scenario is that somebody finds a hole and instructs the person on how to secure it, which is still creepy, but I've seen too much of people fucking with others through these cameras.
This is why I will never understand why people put cloud based security cameras inside their house. I understand some people wish to use them as baby monitors etc. but it really just invites these kinds of issues. I understand having cameras outside the home (we have a couple at my house in the backyard and front yard) but just never understand the purpose of putting them in various places in your house, especially in the bedroom or even the bathroom.
It’s also relatively straightforward to set up your own local system. And no monthly fees!
There’s a reason it’s called CCTV. It should be a closed circuit!
I will say though, having the ability to view the camera feed while you aren’t home is a nice feature. I know there are ways to do this without relying on a cloud service. Ubiquity is one that I’m familiar with but don’t know a ton about. This is probably something that I will look into more if/when I decide to take the dive into setting up a system like that.
It’s not CCTV but I use Reolink cameras without cloud services. The cameras will still send notifications and live feeds through my home lan to my phone wherever I am. It does go through their servers so it may not be really secure.
Just use TeamViewer or AnyDesk or whatever else kind of program that lets you login to your computer. Incredibly simple.
That my be true for some, but not for the vast, vast, vast majority of people. About the only person who could set up what people are suggesting here (self-hosting, remote desktop, etc) for any of my family members, or extended family members, or neighbors, is me... and I sure as hell don't want the added work, or ongoing responsibility of keeping it all functioning for them. I get enough of that just keeping all their computers from imploding due to all the spyware/adware and other garbage they somehow still manage to regularly infest their computers with.
So whenever any of them has asked for a recommendation for a camera doorbell, that's why I just tell them to get a Ring. ;)
Yeah I’m not surprised. We treat data security as a joke and it’s because they’ll get a slap on the wrist for this massive invasion of privacy
I bought a couple of Amazon Blink security cams for a remote property and they are definitely easier than average to set up. But I read the Terms and Conditions first and not only does it say that the video can be viewed by Amazon, but by any third party they designate AND the videos can be saved and used at their discretion in perpetuity.
Yup, sure, that's what I want. /s
I sent them back.
Why? Because they're incredibly convenient, affordable, work well with my many Echo devices around the house, and I don't really care if anyone at Amazon HQ can see the videos. ;)
I don't have any cameras inside my house though. Only outside.
What about neighbors though? I don’t know what your situation is like, but for us the family across the street has a Ring on their door pointed square at our yard, and I really hate that thing being there.
Considering how many of our neighbors also have camera doorbells and security cams, I don't think that's a major issue. Even our new, young, hip, techie couple neighbors who moved in next door a few months ago immediately installed a Ring doorbell. And we're also pretty friendly with all our immediate neighbors after being here for 10 years now, and I haven't heard any complaints about the issue at any of the neighborhood BBQs yet.
And TBH, I think that's largely because the vast majority of people in general are like me, and don't really care all that much about the issue either. Hence why Ring doorbells and the like have been selling like hotcakes. I understand the complaints... and I wish video feed privacy was taken more seriously internally by Amazon and the like, but at the same time, I think Pandora's Box has already been opened regarding cloud-based home cameras in general... so fighting against the concept of them merely out of principle is a bit futile at this point. Just my 2¢
I’m not surprised either, but I do think this is a situation where “most” is quite a different thing to “all”.
Apple has some reasonably pro-consumer privacy rules and at least somewhat enforces them on partners through HomeKit - I wouldn’t trust them implicitly, but I’d consider them a whole different ballgame to Amazon. Ubiquiti make solid high-end hardware that’s designed to allow professionals to control exactly what it’s doing, and makes most of their money from the kind of business users who will notice if they fuck that up. Matter’s promised interoperability has the potential for some very interesting plug and play “home server” type boxes to bring locally hosted home automation to the masses, or at least the subset willing to pay an extra ~$200 up front in exchange for no monthly fees. Home Assistant does that now, for the other subset who have the time and skills to set it up.
Much of the market doesn’t care about privacy, and yes, that being the default frustrates me - but I’m glad that there actually are some viable, non-cost-prohibitive options for those who want them too. The smart home ecosystem feels like a cornucopia of choice and openness compared to, say, phones or TVs.
I can’t really blame someone for choosing the easy to setup and use security system, especially in times like this. However, I hope this helps someone gain the courage to roll their own self hosted and controlled setup. You don’t need multi thousand dollar Bosch or Axis cameras to have a perfect surveillance system, after all.
I was never 4chan-native but I found plenty of links from 4chan to other forums, even reddit, of sets of insecure IP cameras. I will never allow one to be where I live unless I have absolutely no say in it (say I'm renting a room, I guess). Shit's too creepy, and a massive privacy and physical security hole.
This was exactly that scenario, with the same exact stuff, just provided as a "managed service," and Ring should've baked in security from their own employees at the beginning. The absolute best case scenario is that somebody finds a hole and instructs the person on how to secure it, which is still creepy, but I've seen too much of people fucking with others through these cameras.
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