Ought to be proportional - like Finnish speeding tickets. Finnish businessman fined over $129,000 for speeding. Anders Wiklof, one of Finland's richest men, caught driving 82 kilometers per hour...
Ought to be proportional - like Finnish speeding tickets.
Apple is a multi-trillion dollar company. 25 million dollars to them liks like 25 cents to you and me. This is more than a win for Apple. This is a signal that they can continue to pull employment...
Apple is a multi-trillion dollar company. 25 million dollars to them liks like 25 cents to you and me. This is more than a win for Apple. This is a signal that they can continue to pull employment shenanigans with impunity.
While they definitely did violate the law I’m not sure if this particular law is a good one. This appears to be specifically for rolling people who are currently employed by apple and on an H1B...
While they definitely did violate the law I’m not sure if this particular law is a good one. This appears to be specifically for rolling people who are currently employed by apple and on an H1B into permanent resident status, so it’s not actually creating a new job that someone in the US already would be taking. It makes sense that a company would rather keep someone on who’s worked for them for years rather than replacing them with a new hire.
In my opinion this would be a different story if they were hiring for a completely new position and prioritizing non-residents though.
Sure, but they wound up in this situation due to their initial abuse of the H1B visa program in the first place. The H1B visa program is to be able to import rare talent (such as a niche...
In my opinion this would be a different story if they were hiring for a completely new position and prioritizing non-residents though.
Sure, but they wound up in this situation due to their initial abuse of the H1B visa program in the first place. The H1B visa program is to be able to import rare talent (such as a niche scientist) or fill a talent gap. There is no shortage of software developers and data scientists in the US. Apple and many other tech companies abuse this program to bring in sysadmina and software engineers because they'll accept lower wages.
So the prioritization of non-residents in this case happened as soon as they filled these positions with non-residents in the first place.
I can't speak to the H1B program's goals, but I think they probably just bring them in because they're crazy crazy smart, not to save a few bucks. I know it sounds dumb, but I'm constantly amazed...
I can't speak to the H1B program's goals, but I think they probably just bring them in because they're crazy crazy smart, not to save a few bucks.
I know it sounds dumb, but I'm constantly amazed at how smart so much of the "cheap" labor is that I sorta always looked down at before. "They'll just outsource it to some Indian company" is literally "Hey, lets hire a team of entirely MIT-level grads" in my experience. Like super top notch people.
I work for a Fortune 100 tech company and this has not been my experience with the program, and my experience mirrors others that I've talked to. Don't get me wrong, the H1Bs that I've worked with...
I work for a Fortune 100 tech company and this has not been my experience with the program, and my experience mirrors others that I've talked to.
Don't get me wrong, the H1Bs that I've worked with are super nice people, and they're fine at their jobs. But they didn't bring anything to the table that couldn't have been hired in the US.
That's it? Abusing the H1B visa program certainly saved them more than $25M. This is a win for Apple.
Actual consequences are for the poor
Seriously, Apple's cash on hand is $162 billion dollars.
A $25M fine is .015% of that.
That's someone making $50K paying a $7.50 fine.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/02/apple-now-has-162-billion-in-cash-on-hand-less-than-last-quarter.html
Ought to be proportional - like Finnish speeding tickets.
Finnish businessman fined over $129,000 for speeding. Anders Wiklof, one of Finland's richest men, caught driving 82 kilometers per hour in 50-kmph zone on Aaland Islands
Apple is a multi-trillion dollar company. 25 million dollars to them liks like 25 cents to you and me. This is more than a win for Apple. This is a signal that they can continue to pull employment shenanigans with impunity.
Yep, this is why tech companies continue to do this despite having been caught and fined in the past.
While they definitely did violate the law I’m not sure if this particular law is a good one. This appears to be specifically for rolling people who are currently employed by apple and on an H1B into permanent resident status, so it’s not actually creating a new job that someone in the US already would be taking. It makes sense that a company would rather keep someone on who’s worked for them for years rather than replacing them with a new hire.
In my opinion this would be a different story if they were hiring for a completely new position and prioritizing non-residents though.
Sure, but they wound up in this situation due to their initial abuse of the H1B visa program in the first place. The H1B visa program is to be able to import rare talent (such as a niche scientist) or fill a talent gap. There is no shortage of software developers and data scientists in the US. Apple and many other tech companies abuse this program to bring in sysadmina and software engineers because they'll accept lower wages.
So the prioritization of non-residents in this case happened as soon as they filled these positions with non-residents in the first place.
I can't speak to the H1B program's goals, but I think they probably just bring them in because they're crazy crazy smart, not to save a few bucks.
I know it sounds dumb, but I'm constantly amazed at how smart so much of the "cheap" labor is that I sorta always looked down at before. "They'll just outsource it to some Indian company" is literally "Hey, lets hire a team of entirely MIT-level grads" in my experience. Like super top notch people.
I work for a Fortune 100 tech company and this has not been my experience with the program, and my experience mirrors others that I've talked to.
Don't get me wrong, the H1Bs that I've worked with are super nice people, and they're fine at their jobs. But they didn't bring anything to the table that couldn't have been hired in the US.