Regardless of how I feel about the Catholic church, it's too bad folks can't just leave cute innocent things the way they are. It's like smearing filth on every wall you find, or scratching...
Regardless of how I feel about the Catholic church, it's too bad folks can't just leave cute innocent things the way they are. It's like smearing filth on every wall you find, or scratching "[name] was here": it's low effort and it makes the world a worse place.
I'm okay with actual works that criticizes the church or religion or society using the mascot. For example Supply Side Jesus is my perennial favorite which has a point to make and is not low effort.
Taking "cute innocent female character" and sticking it in the lazy AI porn converter is in bad taste not mostly because it's sacrilegious, but it feels .... like a lazy knee jerk of, "if it's a woman tell her she's a slut, and if it's a man tell him he's gay" level of discourse.
Should the church have expected rule 34? Probably. Honestly better poor Luche-chan than our common saints. Should they not make a fuss and just ignore this as being fringe and crude. Yeah probably, don't Streisand it. But should we not all feel a little unhappy about how matter of course it is to have good things be despoiled? I'm a little upset, just a little.
The actual mascot is, of course, cutesy and innocently drawn, but I simply cannot fathom how nobody saw this coming throughout the design and approval process.
The actual mascot is, of course, cutesy and innocently drawn, but I simply cannot fathom how nobody saw this coming throughout the design and approval process.
Let's be real, there'd be plenty of gay male porn if it was a male mascot too. There's probably already gender swapped versions of porn of this avatar as well. It's unfathomable to me for there...
Let's be real, there'd be plenty of gay male porn if it was a male mascot too. There's probably already gender swapped versions of porn of this avatar as well. It's unfathomable to me for there not to be endless porn of basically any vaguely mainstream character.
With that being said, I do think female characters get more porn drawn of them than male ones.
Should an organization that has a centuries long, unfathomably damaging, and still ongoing history of child abuse really be creating mascots to further lure in children they can molest? Maybe they...
Should an organization that has a centuries long, unfathomably damaging, and still ongoing history of child abuse really be creating mascots to further lure in children they can molest? Maybe they should learn how to read the room.
For one that’s a completely orthogonal concern from porn being made of Luce - I don’t think that’s what’s convincing children to join the church. Secondly, obviously the catholic church is still...
For one that’s a completely orthogonal concern from porn being made of Luce - I don’t think that’s what’s convincing children to join the church.
Secondly, obviously the catholic church is still going to try to get people of all walks of life to convert, is anyone expecting them not to?
That's the tricky thing with wrong doing: we're always far too quick to assume we've said our sorry's and made up for our wrong doings. I would be surprised if the catholic church still considers...
That's the tricky thing with wrong doing: we're always far too quick to assume we've said our sorry's and made up for our wrong doings. I would be surprised if the catholic church still considers itself to be in disgrace.
Debatable, and it definitely could have been purely for PR... But Pope Francis likely never would have been elected by the College of Cardinals had there not been some degree of shame for all the...
Debatable, and it definitely could have been purely for PR... But Pope Francis likely never would have been elected by the College of Cardinals had there not been some degree of shame for all the sexual abuse scandals and how they were previously handled. Being a Jesuit, he's considered somewhat of a radical reformer (for the Catholic church, anyways). And quite a few ultra-conservative Bishops and Archbishops over the years have criticized/denounced him, and even denied the legitimacy of his appointment because of his more "progressive" (for the Catholic church) stance on certain social issues, particularly regarding LGBT+ people. A number of those Bishops and Archbishops have been fired, and even defrocked/excommunicated in a few cases. So even though the Catholic church has a lot to answer for, most of which can never come close to being remedied, at least Francis seems genuine in his desire to reform it.
/Queer ex-Catholic who despises the church, but is somewhat optimistic about Francis potentially being a turning point. We will have to see who they pick next before I fully believe it though.
I literally cannot understand how the author sit down and decided to write this article. Never thought that 404 Media downfall is so soon. They had good investigations. I guess nothing stay good...
I literally cannot understand how the author sit down and decided to write this article.
Never thought that 404 Media downfall is so soon. They had good investigations.
I guess nothing stay good forever, time to add their domain to my filters.
Yeah, the first few articles I read from 404 were legitimately good investigative reporting. But almost every single article since then has been bottom-tier clickbait. I wonder what their...
Yeah, the first few articles I read from 404 were legitimately good investigative reporting. But almost every single article since then has been bottom-tier clickbait. I wonder what their financial situation is. It can't be good given how quickly the quality has declined. And I will never understand how they can justify putting this kind of ultra-low-effort reporting behind their paywall.
p.s. That's not a knock against you personally, @terr, since it is an interesting subject worth discussing. The article itself leaves quite a bit to be desired as far as depth of coverage goes though, IMO.
The only way it isn't going to keep declining is if enough people subscribe for it to be sustainable, so you shouldn't feel too bad for supporting them. But yeah, unfortunately it definitely feels...
The only way it isn't going to keep declining is if enough people subscribe for it to be sustainable, so you shouldn't feel too bad for supporting them. But yeah, unfortunately it definitely feels like they are getting more and more desperate for clicks and subscribers as time has gone on. :/
I find this article bizarre, because behind it there's this implicit belief that this is a "bad" for the vatican or "backfired" but like... who cares? Why is it bad for the vatican? Why should it...
I find this article bizarre, because behind it there's this implicit belief that this is a "bad" for the vatican or "backfired" but like... who cares? Why is it bad for the vatican? Why should it care at all?
I believe his excellency should have considered his desires more carefully, because there is no clearer sign that Luce has indeed entered pop culture and is beloved by young people than the fact that there are now dozens of AI-generated hardcore pornographic images of her on the internet.
What does the first clause have to do with the second
I am not a Catholic or a Christian but I admit I winced when I saw the Vatican unveiled Luce to the world because like anyone who’s been online long enough I’m familiar with Rule 34.
Because they have a deadline and a quota to fill and "catholic church bad" and "lol porn" are easy clicks. The article is less than nothing. Everyone knows that horny people on the internet will...
Exactly so who cares, and why are you wincing
Because they have a deadline and a quota to fill and "catholic church bad" and "lol porn" are easy clicks.
The article is less than nothing. Everyone knows that horny people on the internet will be making porn of just about ANY character, and doubly so if it's "ironic" or whatever. Still this is rage bait in a couple of directions so out it goes.
Regardless of how I feel about the Catholic church, it's too bad folks can't just leave cute innocent things the way they are. It's like smearing filth on every wall you find, or scratching "[name] was here": it's low effort and it makes the world a worse place.
I'm okay with actual works that criticizes the church or religion or society using the mascot. For example Supply Side Jesus is my perennial favorite which has a point to make and is not low effort.
Taking "cute innocent female character" and sticking it in the lazy AI porn converter is in bad taste not mostly because it's sacrilegious, but it feels .... like a lazy knee jerk of, "if it's a woman tell her she's a slut, and if it's a man tell him he's gay" level of discourse.
Should the church have expected rule 34? Probably. Honestly better poor Luche-chan than our common saints. Should they not make a fuss and just ignore this as being fringe and crude. Yeah probably, don't Streisand it. But should we not all feel a little unhappy about how matter of course it is to have good things be despoiled? I'm a little upset, just a little.
It's also like, how is this even news? This has famously been done with essentially all animated characters on the internet.
Rule 34 is older than the average age of internet users.
The actual mascot is, of course, cutesy and innocently drawn, but I simply cannot fathom how nobody saw this coming throughout the design and approval process.
I mean, does it matter? Should you never have any female mascots in fear of what random people on the internet are going to make of it?
Let's be real, there'd be plenty of gay male porn if it was a male mascot too. There's probably already gender swapped versions of porn of this avatar as well. It's unfathomable to me for there not to be endless porn of basically any vaguely mainstream character.
With that being said, I do think female characters get more porn drawn of them than male ones.
Should an organization that has a centuries long, unfathomably damaging, and still ongoing history of child abuse really be creating mascots to further lure in children they can molest? Maybe they should learn how to read the room.
For one that’s a completely orthogonal concern from porn being made of Luce - I don’t think that’s what’s convincing children to join the church.
Secondly, obviously the catholic church is still going to try to get people of all walks of life to convert, is anyone expecting them not to?
Yes, I expect them to clean house prior to inviting people over.
That's the tricky thing with wrong doing: we're always far too quick to assume we've said our sorry's and made up for our wrong doings. I would be surprised if the catholic church still considers itself to be in disgrace.
Did they ever?
Debatable, and it definitely could have been purely for PR... But Pope Francis likely never would have been elected by the College of Cardinals had there not been some degree of shame for all the sexual abuse scandals and how they were previously handled. Being a Jesuit, he's considered somewhat of a radical reformer (for the Catholic church, anyways). And quite a few ultra-conservative Bishops and Archbishops over the years have criticized/denounced him, and even denied the legitimacy of his appointment because of his more "progressive" (for the Catholic church) stance on certain social issues, particularly regarding LGBT+ people. A number of those Bishops and Archbishops have been fired, and even defrocked/excommunicated in a few cases. So even though the Catholic church has a lot to answer for, most of which can never come close to being remedied, at least Francis seems genuine in his desire to reform it.
/Queer ex-Catholic who despises the church, but is somewhat optimistic about Francis potentially being a turning point. We will have to see who they pick next before I fully believe it though.
2 things:
Well, 404 media is just 4 people that used to work at Vice after all.
I literally cannot understand how the author sit down and decided to write this article.
Never thought that 404 Media downfall is so soon. They had good investigations.
I guess nothing stay good forever, time to add their domain to my filters.
Yeah, the first few articles I read from 404 were legitimately good investigative reporting. But almost every single article since then has been bottom-tier clickbait. I wonder what their financial situation is. It can't be good given how quickly the quality has declined. And I will never understand how they can justify putting this kind of ultra-low-effort reporting behind their paywall.
p.s. That's not a knock against you personally, @terr, since it is an interesting subject worth discussing. The article itself leaves quite a bit to be desired as far as depth of coverage goes though, IMO.
Ahh sucks. I just subscribed. Their podcast is great imo.
The only way it isn't going to keep declining is if enough people subscribe for it to be sustainable, so you shouldn't feel too bad for supporting them. But yeah, unfortunately it definitely feels like they are getting more and more desperate for clicks and subscribers as time has gone on. :/
I find this article bizarre, because behind it there's this implicit belief that this is a "bad" for the vatican or "backfired" but like... who cares? Why is it bad for the vatican? Why should it care at all?
What does the first clause have to do with the second
Exactly so who cares, and why are you wincing
Yeah by the article's metric, Sonic the Hedgehog is the biggest branding disaster in modern history.
Because they have a deadline and a quota to fill and "catholic church bad" and "lol porn" are easy clicks.
The article is less than nothing. Everyone knows that horny people on the internet will be making porn of just about ANY character, and doubly so if it's "ironic" or whatever. Still this is rage bait in a couple of directions so out it goes.