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Privacy is also protecting the data of others

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  1. [8]
    cycling_mammoth
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    While I do agree with the premise of the article (and frankly have been a fan and translation contributor to privacy guides), I think this is very much an “easier said than done” type of...

    While I do agree with the premise of the article (and frankly have been a fan and translation contributor to privacy guides), I think this is very much an “easier said than done” type of situation.

    Particularly with the all too common rebuttal of “I have nothing to hide, why should I care?”, it just often feels like a losing battle. It is a flawed rebuttal, but you cannot just convince someone to change their mind on something like that. There are also services that are seemingly designed to trap less vigilant users into exposing their data, e.g. encrypted messaging services that support unencrypted backups / services that have opt-in encryption for their online storage (À la, iCloud Advanced Data Protection).

    At the end of the day I do go out of my way to protect the data of those around me, but convincing those around me to do the same for me is quite difficult.

    10 votes
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      vord
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      I always liked the retort "Then hand me your unlocked phone and drop your pants."

      “I have nothing to hide, why should I care?”

      I always liked the retort "Then hand me your unlocked phone and drop your pants."

      14 votes
      1. [2]
        tauon
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        While I’ve previously used “we still go to the toilet with the doors closed, even when we’re innocent and got nothing to hide” to illustrate the need for privacy, I think I like yours better!

        While I’ve previously used “we still go to the toilet with the doors closed, even when we’re innocent and got nothing to hide” to illustrate the need for privacy, I think I like yours better!

        5 votes
        1. vord
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          Part of the reason it works is the mystery. Is the boss getting nudes? Is a pizza getting ordered? A bank transfer? Your browsing history being published?

          Part of the reason it works is the mystery.

          Is the boss getting nudes?
          Is a pizza getting ordered?
          A bank transfer?
          Your browsing history being published?

          1 vote
    2. gary
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      iCloud ADP is opt-in because most users are not very good at remembering their passwords or having a mindset on recovery. We know this from decades of experience at this point. Apple serves over 1...

      iCloud ADP is opt-in because most users are not very good at remembering their passwords or having a mindset on recovery. We know this from decades of experience at this point. Apple serves over 1 billion users, the vast majority of which will be upset if they lost access to their photos.

      To shit on the one major company that has provided E2EE in various product categories in a relatively seamless way is insane to me. I can actually count on one hand the number of companies even offering this at more than a small scale. I can count on one finger the number of companies that does it at Apple's scale: it's just Apple. Nothing Apple does will ever be good enough, will it?

      4 votes
    3. ThrowdoBaggins
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      From my selfish perspective, when considering having iCloud Advanced Data Protection switched on; the combined total benefit to myself and all the people I ever interact with digitally, is easily...

      opt-in encryption for their online storage (À la, iCloud Advanced Data Protection

      From my selfish perspective, when considering having iCloud Advanced Data Protection switched on; the combined total benefit to myself and all the people I ever interact with digitally, is easily outweighed by the cost of losing everything, if I ever forget my password.

      Without going into personal detail, I’ve recently been helping a friend who found out that their relationship of several years was barely more than a relationship scam, similar to the kind you hear about on the news. There may genuinely be a legal battle to unravel their life from the scammers, because they only found out after getting married, but it’s been incredibly difficult to collect any actual evidence. They basically have zero chat history from their entire relationship other than the rare screenshot, because their messaging services were default end-to-end encrypted, and the scammer wiped my friend’s phone as a final act of “fuck you”.

      We were lucky to still have access to photos because a laptop was not connected to wifi when the wipe happened, and we were able to keep it offline while we made backups.

      2 votes
    4. creesch
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      I agree with your sentiment, but isn't the article more about protecting others by action rather than convincing them? A lot of the actions do result in showing by example and creating awareness...

      I agree with your sentiment, but isn't the article more about protecting others by action rather than convincing them? A lot of the actions do result in showing by example and creating awareness through that way. But, they don't seem to be aimed at you arguing the point.

      1 vote
    5. deepdeeppuddle
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      Which are these? I’m hoping not Signal. Does WhatsApp do this?

      encrypted messaging services that support unencrypted backups

      Which are these? I’m hoping not Signal.

      Does WhatsApp do this?