25 votes

China's censorship is far reaching. Searching for "tank man" on some image search engines brings up zero results.

For example:

Bing
DuckDuckGo

Baidu obviously doesn't show tank man, but rather an assortment of random tank images

Yandex and Google seem to show the results no problem. Would be curious to know for you Tilderinos outside the US if the same results apply to you?

18 comments

  1. zptc
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    https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-blames-human-error-amid-suspicion-it-censored-1847037545

    https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-blames-human-error-amid-suspicion-it-censored-1847037545

    However, the company said that blocking image results for “Tank Man” in the U.S. was not intentional and the issue was being addressed.

    “This is due to an accidental human error and we are actively working to resolve this,” a Microsoft spokesperson told Gizmodo via email.

    DuckDuckGo is blocked within China and thus would seemingly have little incentive to censor, though it also partners with both Yahoo and Bing, the latter of which it licenses its index from. Its results appeared to be in the process of updating as of early Friday evening.

    11 votes
  2. skybrian
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    It seems like a bug where they are mixing up China and outside-China results. Note that if you hit "all," Bing does the right thing for regular web searches.

    It seems like a bug where they are mixing up China and outside-China results. Note that if you hit "all," Bing does the right thing for regular web searches.

    6 votes
  3. [6]
    suspended
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    This has reached into Imgur if you can believe it. Yesterday I viewed this and went back to r/pics to find it. It has since been removed for no reason that I can find. Fortunately, someone backed...

    This has reached into Imgur if you can believe it. Yesterday I viewed this and went back to r/pics to find it. It has since been removed for no reason that I can find. Fortunately, someone backed it up on the Internet Archive and you can view it here.

    WARNING: Graphic and NSFW

    EDIT: It's possible that China's censorship is reaching into the Internet Archive as well. Most of the images are not being displayed.

    5 votes
    1. [3]
      balooga
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      There's a better archive of the Imgur album up on archive.is. (NSFL content warning, same as above, for those skimming who might have missed it) Edit: I've been scrolling through, I haven't seen...

      There's a better archive of the Imgur album up on archive.is. (NSFL content warning, same as above, for those skimming who might have missed it)

      Edit: I've been scrolling through, I haven't seen the vast majority of these images before. Some are REALLY hard to stomach. But keeping record of this atrocity is absolutely vital. I can't vouch for the reach of Chinese censorship influencing western companies, but seeing these photos only strengthens my conviction that it must be resisted at all costs. Truth is at an all-time premium these days. Willful and pernicious lies are rampant. Now more than ever, as the CCP is actively committing and denying atrocities against the Uyghurs, and engaging in countless other geopolitical evils, we can't allow this to disappear into the memory hole.

      5 votes
      1. xster
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        Thanks for sharing this archive. It's definitely in a better shape than the archive.org one. I truly believe getting to the primary source will absolutely avoid dogmatism and unsolvable polarizing...

        Thanks for sharing this archive. It's definitely in a better shape than the archive.org one. I truly believe getting to the primary source will absolutely avoid dogmatism and unsolvable polarizing holy wars that's the current trend in the world.

        I'm Chinese, I've known about Tiananmen or 6/4 Incident in Chinese since as far as I remembered things. Not through official channels but it's pervasively talked about casually in personal circles. Perhaps one context that's helpful is that West adoration is absolutely pervasive and the norm among the average Chinese people, from the Sino-Soviet split all the way up until perhaps the last 5 years following a consecutive series of US stumbles. This is true all around from lifestyle envy to the materialism to American values. American cultural exports are undeniably more successful and meanwhile, on the ground level, I've yet to know of anyone of my age, living in cities, in China, that takes anything from the Chinese media seriously. I've always believed that Americans are inherently nobler morally and that there had truly been a massacre. I believed it while in China and I believed it after moving to Canada.

        But as I absorb more primary source data over the years, the more I see, the less certain I am of what it is. From student leader interviews to raw photos to foreign journalists' primary accounts, I'm very curious to gather as much primary source as possible to separate out the editorial from western media which looks faker and faker as I learn more and more over the years, from the suppression of OPCW whistleblowers on the Syrian "chemical attack" to Gaddafi's "viagra fueled rape frenzies" to the Nayirah testimony to the whitewashing of Áñez's indigenous cleanses to the circular referencing of NED affiliate sources on Xinjiang while being the undisputed number 1 overthrower of democracies around the world from Mossadegh in Iran to Allende in Chile to Arbenz in Guatemala to Sukarno in Indonesia. Even within months of Tiananmen, thousands were massacred in the Caracazo uprising against the Washington consensus pushed on Venezuela while the US is also busy bombing the shit out of Panama city while sealing journalist access to the city for days after the bombing. Yet it's impossible to find one person who know these events. They are in the memory hole as you put it while Tiananmen is permanently burned into every growing person's consciousness throw annual semi-religious media ceremonies.

        I'd be the first to agree that the Chinese authorities are capable of senseless thuggish behavior. I also strongly believe the initial undercurrents are absolutely organic, from economic mismanagement and inflations of 1989 to the rising level of corruption riding the wave of privatization to the unequal distribution of wealth in the distribution of state assets similar to the Yeltsin IMF restructuring in Russia. The student protests were also the externally visible symptoms of deeper factional clashes behind the scenes within the party wrt to the future direction of China. That said, from primary sources, I still struggle to know what exactly happened on 6/4. As you're showing as well, there's a large amount of violence towards the military as well from burning and mutilation of soldiers to seizing of armored vehicles and weapons. This is visible from other sources as well like https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda (ignore the editorial, just look at the pictures). This seems consistent with the presence of Gene Sharp (the father of color revolutions) in Beijing that day and similar surgically organized color revolutions in HK and Euromaidans in the Ukrainian overthrow where the modus operandi is to unleash the maximum amount of brutality towards the police and hope for a proportional response. The student leader Chai Ling also said that quiet part out loud herself (that she's hoping for a bloodshed (of her fellow students while she's going to take the US offer of being ferried to the US before the night of the incident)). I'm highly pre-disposed to believing that it's a simple case of good vs evil (see China's treatment of victims' lawyers in the post-2008 earthquake revelation that most of the deaths were due to shoddy construction standards, in which case it is a simple case of good vs evil). But without editorial colors, it's hard to assess from primary sources. Of course China doesn't help by making rudimentary censorship its first go-to tool for everything.

        CCP is actively committing and denying atrocities against the Uyghurs

        Same here. I would absolutely not be surprised, but as a highly interested party, I struggle to find a real primary source that doesn't ultimately terminate in the US government such as through WUC, CHRD, RFA, or comical sources such as Adrien Zenz and ASPI.

        Speaking of overthrows on false premises like the Powell shaking white powders in a vial in his UN speech, here's Powell's chief of staff himself on Xinjiang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia1okOk5OR4.

        6 votes
    2. [2]
      FishFingus
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      I don't understand how it would be possible for them to have done so. But assuming that they somehow could, wouldn't they have just deleted everything rather than leaving some of the images...

      I don't understand how it would be possible for them to have done so. But assuming that they somehow could, wouldn't they have just deleted everything rather than leaving some of the images (including graphic ones) up?

      1 vote
      1. suspended
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        Probably was Internet Archive not properly archiving the photos. Most of the photos seem to come from a diabolic hoard at Getty Images here.

        Probably was Internet Archive not properly archiving the photos. Most of the photos seem to come from a diabolic hoard at Getty Images here.

        2 votes
  4. [3]
    stu2b50
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    I also get nothing for "tank man" on bing, but funnily enough my terrible misspelling of "Tiananmen Square" gets the tank man image as the first result. Seems like a very primitive filter. Similar...

    I also get nothing for "tank man" on bing, but funnily enough my terrible misspelling of "Tiananmen Square" gets the tank man image as the first result. Seems like a very primitive filter.

    Similar experiment on DuckDuckGo. Indeed, just tank man gets nothing (and it blames safe search, but turning it off doesn't do anything). But tank man Tiananmen square gets the right images.

    Does not work on Baidu, though. Wouldn't be surprised if it just doesn't have any tank man pictures in its corpus to bring up.

    4 votes
    1. Shahriar
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      I get similar results. On Bing, searching for it under "all" and not "images" warrants me a top image straight from Wikipedia. DuckDuckGo, same thing, except they don't embed images from top link...

      I get similar results.

      On Bing, searching for it under "all" and not "images" warrants me a top image straight from Wikipedia.
      DuckDuckGo, same thing, except they don't embed images from top link searches.

      1 vote
    2. Icarus
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      It is indeed very crude. It makes me wonder about how our search results are being manipulated in seemingly inconspicuous ways? And what other search terms are causing certain results from being...

      It is indeed very crude.

      It makes me wonder about how our search results are being manipulated in seemingly inconspicuous ways? And what other search terms are causing certain results from being displayed?

      1 vote
  5. [3]
    hamstergeddon
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    Interestingly on DuckDuckGo, searching for it says results were hidden because of safe search. Then once I disabled that, it said there were outright no results. Also the difference between...

    Interestingly on DuckDuckGo, searching for it says results were hidden because of safe search. Then once I disabled that, it said there were outright no results.

    Also the difference between Google's results for the more specific "tiananmen square tank man" and DDG's are astounding.

    wtf, DDG?

    wtf, Bing, who provides search results for DDG?

    2 votes
    1. [2]
      whbboyd
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      DuckDuckGo gets their search results (mostly? Entirely?) from Bing. While this probably does merit a "WTF", it means they're really just reflecting whatever Microsoft is doing.

      DuckDuckGo gets their search results (mostly? Entirely?) from Bing.

      While this probably does merit a "WTF", it means they're really just reflecting whatever Microsoft is doing.

      6 votes
  6. zptc
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    DDG results: safe search moderate https://i.imgur.com/3wtyyiJ.png off https://i.imgur.com/Sqbn8yN.png that broken frontline preview is the picture in question, but the preview doesn't work in...

    DDG results:

    safe search moderate https://i.imgur.com/3wtyyiJ.png

    off https://i.imgur.com/Sqbn8yN.png

    that broken frontline preview is the picture in question, but the preview doesn't work in either safe search setting.

    2 votes
  7. [2]
    ImmobileVoyager
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    my first try on ddg
    1. Diff
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      It's since been fixed by Microsoft and the fix then trickled down to ddg. Ddg is now looking at incorporating sources other than bing.

      It's since been fixed by Microsoft and the fix then trickled down to ddg. Ddg is now looking at incorporating sources other than bing.

      1 vote