Some people speculate this is because someone found copyrighted content in the deleted posts, which seems pretty likely, as it is the only way to make sense of this otherwise brash and practically...
Starting June 14th, the entire page (which includes the comments, titles, links, etc.) for user-deleted posts will no longer be accessible to any users, including the OP. Any user who tries to access a direct URL to a user-deleted post will be redirected to the community or profile page where the removed content was originally posted.
Some people speculate this is because someone found copyrighted content in the deleted posts, which seems pretty likely, as it is the only way to make sense of this otherwise brash and practically entirely nonsensical decision.
This is a terrible decision for all the comments in the OP. I moderate a pretty big sub and every day I get closer and closer to just saying fuck it an leaving them to die a painful death alone.
This is a terrible decision for all the comments in the OP.
I moderate a pretty big sub and every day I get closer and closer to just saying fuck it an leaving them to die a painful death alone.
I definitely recommend saying fuck it and leaving. I used to moderate a 2M+ subscriber subreddit and not being a moderator there is phenomenal for my mental health. I've left almost all the...
I definitely recommend saying fuck it and leaving. I used to moderate a 2M+ subscriber subreddit and not being a moderator there is phenomenal for my mental health. I've left almost all the subreddits that I moderate, with only a few programming specific ones that I still tend to, and it has been great to do so.
I actually am pretty mixed on this. First reaction: well, that does kinda suck for mods, someone could hypothetical go on a racist tirade but if they delete it before a mod notices there will be...
I actually am pretty mixed on this. First reaction: well, that does kinda suck for mods, someone could hypothetical go on a racist tirade but if they delete it before a mod notices there will be no evidence. Second reaction: but it's probably actually a good thing that deleting your comment well and truly removes it from everyone except people with db access at Reddit. Third reaction: well, sites that archive the reddit api to restore deleted comments will still let people see them, so perhaps it's a bit of a lost cause already.
If I am understanding this change correctly, I think you might be misunderstanding what is going on here. Comments deleted by a user are already "deleted", no longer be visible to any users (not...
If I am understanding this change correctly, I think you might be misunderstanding what is going on here. Comments deleted by a user are already "deleted", no longer be visible to any users (not even mods), and only admins with the appropriate privileges should still be able to recover/see them (AFAIK). And user deleted submissions also already have the submitter's username similarly "deleted" from them too.
However, the comment sections of deleted submissions were still accessible if you knew the URL, which is what they plan on changing. Reddit is planning on making it so no users (not even mods) can link to, or view the comments sections of deleted submissions anymore, even if they know the URL. And by doing that they will completely undermine moderators ability to continue moderating the comments sections of deleted posts, and also reduce their ability to monitor for spam since the title and link that were submitted will no longer be visible to them anymore either. p.s. This also gives submitter's the power to basically permanently erase all the comments made by everyone else in their submissions too, which isn't ideal, IMO.
And reddit is also now planning on preventing regular users from being able to access mod/admin removed submissions' comment sections now too (if they are under a certain comment # and vote threshold, but which they plan on expanding), which could potentially make it harder for users to hold mods and admins accountable for their removal actions.
cc: @Eric_the_Cerise, since they seemed a bit confused about this too.
We will have a lot of users who we ban for comments that they will then go back and delete and then try to say "What racist comments, I never said anything wrong, ever."
We will have a lot of users who we ban for comments that they will then go back and delete and then try to say
"What racist comments, I never said anything wrong, ever."
Now that I think back, this is something you could always do. Mods (not admins) can not see posts that users delete themselves. How mods handle it is if they can't see the post the user was banned...
Now that I think back, this is something you could always do. Mods (not admins) can not see posts that users delete themselves. How mods handle it is if they can't see the post the user was banned over, they will not consider unbanning.
Why is this a bad thing? If I delete something, I want it to be actually ... you know ... deleted. Obviously, they're not actually erasing records in their db, but it's a step in the right direction.
Why is this a bad thing? If I delete something, I want it to be actually ... you know ... deleted. Obviously, they're not actually erasing records in their db, but it's a step in the right direction.
I could understand it for more personal posts, but I could see a problem if someone races to be the first to break some news story, it gets plenty of discussion, and suddenly that one person...
If I delete something, I want it to be actually ... you know ... deleted
I could understand it for more personal posts, but I could see a problem if someone races to be the first to break some news story, it gets plenty of discussion, and suddenly that one person decides to just remove the post. The post that wasn't necessarily "theirs" to begin with and it's now a bit of a shame that thousands of comments for some piece of news is just gone. At least if a user deleted that post you can still link to it previously.
Seems like a case by case basis, but it does seem like this is more of a CYA move on reddit to protect against copyright.
I wonder what would happen if a prominent submitter were to delete each and every single one of their threads at the rate they are currently limited to, would Reddit even be able to handle that?...
I wonder what would happen if a prominent submitter were to delete each and every single one of their threads at the rate they are currently limited to, would Reddit even be able to handle that? Each submission containing hundreds if not thousands of comments that have been nested as well.
Some people speculate this is because someone found copyrighted content in the deleted posts, which seems pretty likely, as it is the only way to make sense of this otherwise brash and practically entirely nonsensical decision.
This is a terrible decision for all the comments in the OP.
I moderate a pretty big sub and every day I get closer and closer to just saying fuck it an leaving them to die a painful death alone.
I definitely recommend saying fuck it and leaving. I used to moderate a 2M+ subscriber subreddit and not being a moderator there is phenomenal for my mental health. I've left almost all the subreddits that I moderate, with only a few programming specific ones that I still tend to, and it has been great to do so.
I actually am pretty mixed on this. First reaction: well, that does kinda suck for mods, someone could hypothetical go on a racist tirade but if they delete it before a mod notices there will be no evidence. Second reaction: but it's probably actually a good thing that deleting your comment well and truly removes it from everyone except people with db access at Reddit. Third reaction: well, sites that archive the reddit api to restore deleted comments will still let people see them, so perhaps it's a bit of a lost cause already.
If I am understanding this change correctly, I think you might be misunderstanding what is going on here. Comments deleted by a user are already "deleted", no longer be visible to any users (not even mods), and only admins with the appropriate privileges should still be able to recover/see them (AFAIK). And user deleted submissions also already have the submitter's username similarly "deleted" from them too.
However, the comment sections of deleted submissions were still accessible if you knew the URL, which is what they plan on changing. Reddit is planning on making it so no users (not even mods) can link to, or view the comments sections of deleted submissions anymore, even if they know the URL. And by doing that they will completely undermine moderators ability to continue moderating the comments sections of deleted posts, and also reduce their ability to monitor for spam since the title and link that were submitted will no longer be visible to them anymore either. p.s. This also gives submitter's the power to basically permanently erase all the comments made by everyone else in their submissions too, which isn't ideal, IMO.
And reddit is also now planning on preventing regular users from being able to access mod/admin removed submissions' comment sections now too (if they are under a certain comment # and vote threshold, but which they plan on expanding), which could potentially make it harder for users to hold mods and admins accountable for their removal actions.
cc: @Eric_the_Cerise, since they seemed a bit confused about this too.
This does not seem like an issue that would come up much. It would be easier to leave it up and create new accounts.
We will have a lot of users who we ban for comments that they will then go back and delete and then try to say
"What racist comments, I never said anything wrong, ever."
Now that I think back, this is something you could always do. Mods (not admins) can not see posts that users delete themselves. How mods handle it is if they can't see the post the user was banned over, they will not consider unbanning.
Why is this a bad thing? If I delete something, I want it to be actually ... you know ... deleted. Obviously, they're not actually erasing records in their db, but it's a step in the right direction.
I could understand it for more personal posts, but I could see a problem if someone races to be the first to break some news story, it gets plenty of discussion, and suddenly that one person decides to just remove the post. The post that wasn't necessarily "theirs" to begin with and it's now a bit of a shame that thousands of comments for some piece of news is just gone. At least if a user deleted that post you can still link to it previously.
Seems like a case by case basis, but it does seem like this is more of a CYA move on reddit to protect against copyright.
I wonder what would happen if a prominent submitter were to delete each and every single one of their threads at the rate they are currently limited to, would Reddit even be able to handle that? Each submission containing hundreds if not thousands of comments that have been nested as well.