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25 votes
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Gigafactory in Sacramento will produce sodium-ion batteries for grid storage
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Why does WhatsApp drain so much phone battery?
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Power consumption of LLM's
I haven't been closely following the releases of new models and the research papers that sometimes go along with them. So I was wondering: is power consumption ever seriously talked about by...
I haven't been closely following the releases of new models and the research papers that sometimes go along with them. So I was wondering: is power consumption ever seriously talked about by OpenAI, Google, Anthropic, and others? Do we get some specific numbers of how much power their models actually consume to produce 100 tokens? The cost of training some of these models? Or we're not yet at that stage yet and nobody cares and at best we can just get really rough estimates based on "trust me bro" tweets by their respective CEO's?
Some time ago, I came across this post. GPT-OSS (2OB, 120B) are meager, yet energy efficient models and I was surprised that the power consumption is still larger than what I had estimated before.
For 120B to generate a 1000 tokens (which is really not a lot) it would take up around 83 Wh of electricity. For context my PC consumes ~100Wh when idling. So it's almost equivalent as leaving my PC on for an hour. Considering that proprietary models are TRILLIONS of parameters and probably not as energy efficient the true power consumption of these models is concerning. Of course, these big data centers do a lot of things to maximize the efficiency that this "test" fails to do. But even if you half the energy consumption it's still significant given their size and their pervasiveness in handling everyday, trivial tasks.
I haven't come across similar posts or studies for newer open source models, so if somebody has, please share.
Also, I don't seem to fully understand how does context size fit into all of this. The larger the context size the more power it would take to produce those 100 tokens?
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USB power delivery: Plugging into the benefits
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Finland tests new system to help detect threats to subsea cables before incidents happen – scores of breaches in previous years have crippled critical underwater infrastructure
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Energy supplier abandons Lake Tahoe residents to serve data centers
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New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses
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US data centers are getting off-grid power plants
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Finland opens Europe's first lithium mine – will create about 350 jobs and offers Europe's only production chain of its kind, reducing reliance on Chinese imports
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Proton batteries - new still-in-the-lab batteries that use hydrogen ions instead of lithium ions (also a different anode/cathode)
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Big tech must stop passing the cost of its spiking energy needs onto the public
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Unexplained electronic components found in imported equipment for Denmark's energy supply network – investigation underway to learn more
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We did the math on AI’s energy footprint. Here’s the story you haven’t heard.
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Why are integrated batteries so accepted?
Just something I was frustrated by ever since it became increasingly common even outside of smartphones and tablets. For a few years now I increasingly see basically any battery powered product...
Just something I was frustrated by ever since it became increasingly common even outside of smartphones and tablets.
For a few years now I increasingly see basically any battery powered product having mostly internal accumulator options(aka proprietary battery of uncertain ability to replace), especially in more expensive items in the category. Why?
I mean do see several advantages from the business side, I simply have no idea what advantage would there be for the actual user.
I could see it if the batteries had comparable lifespan to the product, which they most definitely do not unless the item is of truly bad quality.
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OpenAI is a systemic risk to the tech industry
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Sodium-ion battery firm shuts down due to bad economics
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A sodium-ion portable power bank comes to market
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Planned foreign-owned data centres in Finland will bring minimal economic benefit, according to Jukka Manner, professor of networking technology at Aalto University
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Sweden's green industry hopes hit by Northvolt woes – growing calls for increased state support to help Sweden maintain its position in future technologies
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Quartz producing location Spruce Pine, North Carolina just got hit by hurricane Helene. The fallout on the tech industry could be huge.
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Duracell PowerCheck: A genius idea which didn't last that long
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The gigantic and unregulated power plants in the cloud
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What's up with solid state batteries? A conversation with Siyu Huang of Factorial Energy.
12 votes -
Why so many bitcoin mining companies are pivoting to AI
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TDK claims insane energy density in solid-state battery breakthrough
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Data centers set to consume 9% of US electricity by 2030
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These autonomous drones can recharge themselves from power lines
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Recommendations on portable power stations
After one too many blackouts for the past few years, we're in the market for a backup power solution. Guidelines include: Would rather have multiple smaller units than one large one. Should be...
After one too many blackouts for the past few years, we're in the market for a backup power solution.
Guidelines include:
- Would rather have multiple smaller units than one large one.
- Should be enough to charge phones, watch a television, run the Keurig. If it can spike up enough to run a heater or keep the fridge from spoiling, that's a bonus.
- Would like to keep it at ~$300 a unit.
We're looking into a whole home generac as well, but this is more of a bandaid trial solution for now.
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Microsoft Cloud hiring to "implement global small modular reactor and microreactor" strategy to power data centers
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Scientists working to generate electricity from thin air make breakthrough
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Anker’s new Solix home solar battery system is a modular version of Tesla’s Powerwall
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This site is no longer solar powered (for now...)
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This never-used nuclear fusion machine is a feat of design
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Micro datacenters begin trials as commercial heating units
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World's highest jumping robot
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This algae battery can power a computer for months
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Northvolt and Norsk Hydro will take their battery recycling joint venture to Europe later this year after the Swedish start-up opened their first plant in Norway
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The future of lithium-ion batteries
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Silia Nanotechnology’s battery technology will launch in Whoop wearables
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Solar energy and mechanical triggers power the Engage, a console at the cutting edge of computer engineering
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Stable lithium-sulfur battery could see smartphones run for five days
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Google CEO Sundar Pichai said the company would invest an additional 600 million euros into its Hamina data center next year
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Apple cancels plans for second data center in Denmark
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New scientific device creates electricity from snowfall
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Scientists put a nuclear waste container through a demanding trip to see if the fuel would break
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Ten years left to redesign lithium-ion batteries
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Microsoft has sunk a data centre in the sea to investigate whether it can boost energy efficiency
15 votes