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How to and should I join the Unofficial Tildes matrix group
Just wondering how to and if anyone has experience with joining the unofficial Matrix group of our namesake...
Just wondering how to and if anyone has experience with joining the unofficial Matrix group of our namesake...
A completely separately ran discussion forum that isn't advertised on Tildes itself inevitably serves primarily as a way to look into the site from above rather than to have both exist harmoniously. Combined with the faster pace of conversation, that means discussion on Discord lends itself well to circlejerking and a desperate search for signal in the noise of taboo topics like moderation decisions.
Any time a Tildes discussion medium besides the site itself is mentioned I push back a little bit. The site is already a discussion board. We don't need a rogue derivative. I'm very glad that the Minecraft server is cheerful and hasn't devolved at all - but I think that's due to both Tildes and Minecraft having very positive cultures.
Do we have a Valheim server?
We did for a while a few years back, but can't imagine it's still around. I've been meaning to get back into the game though, so if anyone wants to set that up, I'd gladly join.
Not a bad idea! I'd be interested
I don't think so. I don't play Valheim so I wouldn't be too interested in setting one up.
I'm empathetic to your points but this format is, by its nature, necessarily more asynchrous and sometimes it would be nice to simply chat in real time. I don't have any kind of agenda here.
I'm talking about the Matrix group, the culture with Discord is quite different if in spirit rather than form(at)
As much as I enjoy discussions (longer form, extended timeframe), its also fun to chat
Edit: I wonder how fellow Tildes folks (@deimos) feel about having an OFFICIAL one where it can be more closely integrated with the forum itself
@deimos
I don't think you have any nefarious plans. I think a small group of Tildes users chatting synchronously can without any doubt maintain civil discussion and a healthy culture. If someone wanted to heavily moderate a Discord/Matrix server in line with how Tildes is moderated I think that could also work. That's way too much work as you'd need to be there constantly to prevent damage from being done. IMO what works with Tildes isn't easy to transfer to Discord/Matrix for that reason. If this was a forum tended to by random internet volunteers it would rapidly reach the end state that reddit did a long time ago. Distributing the moderation load similarly on Discord might have the same end result.
For filling this gap I recommend instead chatting with people you know IRL or pulling specific users you like into other media (like video games) for real-time communication. But I also don't know you (or really that much about things in general) so that is just a guess at what would be best.
Edit: Another problem with Discord servers full of strangers is that unless there's a specific purpose (like finding PUGs with randoms for a video game) people will mostly congregate in a #general channel. General channels, if they move quickly enough, are a UI pattern that synchronizes people's thoughts. There's no threaded discussion so you can have at most two prevailing thought patterns at once in a debate pattern. Otherwise you have one thought pattern in a circle-jerk. Its design specifically promotes hive-mind behavior. If the discussion is slow enough you can have nuance - but it sounds like you're specifically seeking faster-moving discussion.
I'm definitley doing that as well, just have a lot of time to rebuild and rediscover social skills :) Some overcompensation has likely been afoot
Ah k. I understand
Several startup socials after the Reddit flub have discord servers along with them. Generally, it just causes drama and issues. There's always people trying to get mod actions from one platform to be taken on the other. There's division on the site as many of them don't Discord, so they come into a hornets nest in the comments with no way to really understand what's going on. It's generally a mess.
The only real use case I've seen that is valid is to use Discord as an admin chat/ticketing system. Private invite only. No public chat access, though public read should be fine. Whether that would be useful to Tildes is up to the admins to decide.
It isn't really any crowd, currently.
See Vervenyt's answer below. Not that n=1 is representative but I think its not the worst thing to take it under advisement.
I'm sorry but I don't know what n=1 means.
It just means that one experience doesn't tell the full story. It's a single data point, which isn't enough to reach a conclusion.
Why not just English for that?
n=1 is statistical terminology so it can imply someone is thinking more analytically than just saying "That's just an anecdote"
I don't know - that line of thinking seems unnecessarily negative. If you spend a lot of time with certain types of people or on certain websites that kind of stuff can creep into your vocabulary.
I spend a lot of time on HN and other stuff like that. Its not a pretention, its a short form way of saying "a sample size of 1 is not sufficient to establish causation" or something to that effect. See how n=1 yadda yadda is a little bit shorter than that?
I think you are reading into this a bit too much. I wasn't nor am I a STEM person in occupation nor credential.
A lot of conventions on the internet come from coding stuff. I will try to make it more accessible in future but try to assume good faith if you can, it honestly works wonders.
Lots of misunderstanding going all around. Madness, I say!
Its all good. I don't tend to say it outside of the anonymous textual format
You see a lot of that. Like == means equal, != doesn't equal. Its hard to notice you're doing it sometimes
It's really very quiet. No issues, because there's no discussion to generate any drama. I stay joined so that it can sort of be a directory of Tildes users' matrix addresses.
So if its acceptable, how might I join? I don't mind waiting a few month of whatever, not in a rush or anything
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to ignore that. If you click this link (if it doesn't work, please let me know, I've never sent one of these links before and will fix) on a device with Element (and probably other clients) installed, it should open the room in it for you. If that doesn't work, the address is #unofficial-tildes-chat:matrix.org. It should be publicly listed in the directory and open to join.
I wasn't even aware there was such a thing. Do you have a link perchance?
Nah, you just get Element (app) and there's a search function