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Should we have a separate meta tag group for stuff that transcend Tildes groups and any given subject?

This idea is inspired (at least for me, there are probably actual forums like Tildes to draw better comparisons to and take better inspiration from) by Danbooru (P.S: This image is just SFW scenery but the site as a whole is not) , where they have meta tags for stuff like image resolution, if it has commentary, it it's translated, animated, GIF, etc.

Should we consider that but for tags like long and short read or watch, videos, reposts/duplicate posts, spoiler threads, recurring.[ ], maybe news article authors too (also appropriated from Danbooru), since these can supercede any topic or group and will rarely be suggested in any single one of them?

If it's not clear what that looks like, imagine all the normal tags being suggested/typeable at the top and all the meta tags being suggested in a separate search box just below the current one, which are displayed regardless of which group you're in, since they can apply to all the site.

14 comments

  1. [3]
    Qis
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    I don't understand. Are some of you feeling overwhelmed by the rate of content on this website? I can imagine academic interests in thorough tag support, but I'm quite contented to click through...

    I don't understand. Are some of you feeling overwhelmed by the rate of content on this website? I can imagine academic interests in thorough tag support, but I'm quite contented to click through to find out what's on the other side of links...

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      Kuromantis
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      No, I was just (re)posting and when I went to tag it appropriately, that tag wasn't used enough to get to the autocomplete box and it never will because there aren't that many reposts on tildes as...

      No, I was just (re)posting and when I went to tag it appropriately, that tag wasn't used enough to get to the autocomplete box and it never will because there aren't that many reposts on tildes as a whole.

      Look at the examples I gave for tags that would fall under 'meta':

      1. long read
        • short read
        • long watch
        • short watch
      2. videos
      3. reposts/duplicate posts
      4. spoiler threads
      5. recurring.[ ]
      6. Maybe news article authors too, like Ta Nehisi Coates (also appropriated from Danbooru, although that would be yet another tag group)

      The autocomplete for tagging only applies on a group by group basis and some tags, like the ones I've shown above, don't apply to any one group and shouldn't go through an autocomplete that does.

      I think you're assuming that this means I want these tags to work or look different, they might look the same after you make the post, you will only see this when you're adding new tags.

      Really, I just want these tags to be in a separate search box so they can be searched better in a site-wide autocomplete when I'm tagging my post.

      1. Qis
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        I think I understand about your suggestion for a specific autocomplete feature, but video length, word count, and scheduled posts are already regularly marked in the default interface. I don't...

        I think I understand about your suggestion for a specific autocomplete feature, but video length, word count, and scheduled posts are already regularly marked in the default interface. I don't know Danbooru except from this glance, but it seems like their project of convenient taxonomization tools would mean more for content I expected to browse multiple times?

        2 votes
  2. [7]
    skybrian
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    Who or what would add these tags to posts? How would they be used?

    Who or what would add these tags to posts? How would they be used?

    2 votes
    1. [6]
      Kuromantis
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      You, or anyone who can currently do tagging would. Almost nothing changes when it comes to the actual tags, they only get separated from all the other tags since they're not related to the actual...

      You, or anyone who can currently do tagging would. Almost nothing changes when it comes to the actual tags, they only get separated from all the other tags since they're not related to the actual content or any give tildes group, but the way it's displayed or if it's a repost and things like that.

      1 vote
      1. [5]
        skybrian
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        So to summarize, you're suggesting that tag we already have like "long read" and "duplicate post" should be considered somehow special, to improve tag suggestions? I've noticed that autocomplete...

        So to summarize, you're suggesting that tag we already have like "long read" and "duplicate post" should be considered somehow special, to improve tag suggestions?

        I've noticed that autocomplete sometimes doesn't suggest tags that I know must exist. It seems like there might be a way to improve this in general.

        2 votes
        1. [4]
          moocow1452
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          From my experience with Marble League posting, after ten(?) posts with the tag within the ~subgroup the tag becomes an autocomplete.

          From my experience with Marble League posting, after ten(?) posts with the tag within the ~subgroup the tag becomes an autocomplete.

          1. [3]
            Kuromantis
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            Huh. From my memory, you need to be one of the top 100 tags in a sub to be an autocomplete.
            1 vote
            1. skybrian
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              That doesn't seem like nearly enough? One trick I've used is to load a different list based on the first letter typed.

              That doesn't seem like nearly enough? One trick I've used is to load a different list based on the first letter typed.

              1 vote
            2. moocow1452
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              Maybe that was the cutoff point to get into top 100 was just one for ~sports then?

              Maybe that was the cutoff point to get into top 100 was just one for ~sports then?

  3. [4]
    hungariantoast
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    So what would be the purpose of "meta tags" versus regular tags? Would they be meant to be searchable across the entire website? If so, you can already do that with regular tags. Or would "meta...

    So what would be the purpose of "meta tags" versus regular tags? Would they be meant to be searchable across the entire website? If so, you can already do that with regular tags.

    Or would "meta tags" serve a different purpose?

    Either way, I don't mind the idea of tagging very specific "meta information" about a topic or the link a topic points to. For instance, blog posts by Drew DeVault regularly get posted in ~comp, but due to some of Drew's views on technology and way of writing, some users have mentioned before that they try to avoid reading his stuff. In that case, having a drew devault tag for those users to be able to filter out is a great idea.

    And tag filtering specifically, as opposed to just being able to filter Drew's drewdevault.com blog domain, works better, because Drew also has stuff like a Mastodon account that I could imagine being the source for topics here on Tildes.

    Or like, there's one guy that a few users on Tildes seem to like reading, whose name escapes me, but he writes about economics or something? And sometimes he writes opinion pieces or whatever for various publications? Having an <author name> tag for each article written by that author would be useful for users who want to track topics linking to his articles around Tildes, especially since those articles are posted under different domains.

    Of course, the usefulness of these kinds of tagging schemes only grows as the site gets larger, so maybe it isn't that important for now.

    Other meta information, such as the size or resolution of images, would definitely be nice to have as tags once there's a thriving art community on Tildes, with users sharing links to their digital paintings and whatever else. I especially like the idea of tagging meta information about the content of artwork. Having a landscapes tag or whatever, so I can find only that kind of art, would be really neat, especially if I could search for topics only tagged landscapes and mountains or urban and pixel art.

    So, I agree with the idea of tagging "meta information" about links, I'm just not sure the meta information tags need to be some kind of meta tags as a separate feature. I think they could work just fine as regular tags, especially once some of the quirks with tags are worked out in the future.

    2 votes
    1. [3]
      Kuromantis
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      No, I meant that the autocomplete for tagging only applies on a group by group basis and some tags, like the ones I've shown above, don't apply to any one group and shouldn't go through an...

      So what would be the purpose of these "meta tags" versus regular tags? Would they be meant to be searchable across the entire website? If so, you can already do that with regular tags.

      No, I meant that the autocomplete for tagging only applies on a group by group basis and some tags, like the ones I've shown above, don't apply to any one group and shouldn't go through an autocomplete that does.

      1. [2]
        hungariantoast
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        Well "global tags", that will autocomplete when you type them regardless of how often they are used in a group, already exist. The current global tags are nsfw, spoiler, and coronaviruses.covid19....

        Well "global tags", that will autocomplete when you type them regardless of how often they are used in a group, already exist. The current global tags are nsfw, spoiler, and coronaviruses.covid19.

        So if you want to add more global tags that autocomplete regardless of group, you can just add entries to that list in the code:

        global_options = ["nsfw", "spoiler", "coronaviruses.covid19", "long read", "recurring.weekly"]

        As for having a separate input box for "meta tags", I guess I could see how it might be useful, but it does introduce some complexities as far as coding up what tags should go in the meta tag input box versus the regular tag input box, and should meta tags show up as regular tags if they're used enough, etc.

        Overall, I think it'd just be much simpler and better to add more tags to the global autocomplete list. Some of the tags you suggested in another comment, like long read, are pretty ubiquitous across the site. It also might be nice to have user created standardized as a global autocomplete tag to help phase out other tags like self promotion or original content.

        4 votes
        1. Kuromantis
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          Oh, okay. In that case, I would definitely be okay with making them global tags.

          Well "global tags", that will autocomplete when you type them regardless of how often they are used in a group, already exist.

          Oh, okay. In that case, I would definitely be okay with making them global tags.