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Should we have a separate meta tag group for stuff that transcend Tildes groups and any given subject?

This idea is inspired (at least for me, there are probably actual forums like Tildes to draw better comparisons to and take better inspiration from) by Danbooru (P.S: This image is just SFW scenery but the site as a whole is not) , where they have meta tags for stuff like image resolution, if it has commentary, it it's translated, animated, GIF, etc.

Should we consider that but for tags like long and short read or watch, videos, reposts/duplicate posts, spoiler threads, recurring.[ ], maybe news article authors too (also appropriated from Danbooru), since these can supercede any topic or group and will rarely be suggested in any single one of them?

If it's not clear what that looks like, imagine all the normal tags being suggested/typeable at the top and all the meta tags being suggested in a separate search box just below the current one, which are displayed regardless of which group you're in, since they can apply to all the site.

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  1. [3]
    Qis
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    I don't understand. Are some of you feeling overwhelmed by the rate of content on this website? I can imagine academic interests in thorough tag support, but I'm quite contented to click through...

    I don't understand. Are some of you feeling overwhelmed by the rate of content on this website? I can imagine academic interests in thorough tag support, but I'm quite contented to click through to find out what's on the other side of links...

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      Kuromantis
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      No, I was just (re)posting and when I went to tag it appropriately, that tag wasn't used enough to get to the autocomplete box and it never will because there aren't that many reposts on tildes as...

      No, I was just (re)posting and when I went to tag it appropriately, that tag wasn't used enough to get to the autocomplete box and it never will because there aren't that many reposts on tildes as a whole.

      Look at the examples I gave for tags that would fall under 'meta':

      1. long read
        • short read
        • long watch
        • short watch
      2. videos
      3. reposts/duplicate posts
      4. spoiler threads
      5. recurring.[ ]
      6. Maybe news article authors too, like Ta Nehisi Coates (also appropriated from Danbooru, although that would be yet another tag group)

      The autocomplete for tagging only applies on a group by group basis and some tags, like the ones I've shown above, don't apply to any one group and shouldn't go through an autocomplete that does.

      I think you're assuming that this means I want these tags to work or look different, they might look the same after you make the post, you will only see this when you're adding new tags.

      Really, I just want these tags to be in a separate search box so they can be searched better in a site-wide autocomplete when I'm tagging my post.

      1. Qis
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        I think I understand about your suggestion for a specific autocomplete feature, but video length, word count, and scheduled posts are already regularly marked in the default interface. I don't...

        I think I understand about your suggestion for a specific autocomplete feature, but video length, word count, and scheduled posts are already regularly marked in the default interface. I don't know Danbooru except from this glance, but it seems like their project of convenient taxonomization tools would mean more for content I expected to browse multiple times?

        2 votes
  2. [7]
    skybrian
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    Who or what would add these tags to posts? How would they be used?

    Who or what would add these tags to posts? How would they be used?

    2 votes
    1. [6]
      Kuromantis
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      You, or anyone who can currently do tagging would. Almost nothing changes when it comes to the actual tags, they only get separated from all the other tags since they're not related to the actual...

      You, or anyone who can currently do tagging would. Almost nothing changes when it comes to the actual tags, they only get separated from all the other tags since they're not related to the actual content or any give tildes group, but the way it's displayed or if it's a repost and things like that.

      1 vote
      1. [5]
        skybrian
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        So to summarize, you're suggesting that tag we already have like "long read" and "duplicate post" should be considered somehow special, to improve tag suggestions? I've noticed that autocomplete...

        So to summarize, you're suggesting that tag we already have like "long read" and "duplicate post" should be considered somehow special, to improve tag suggestions?

        I've noticed that autocomplete sometimes doesn't suggest tags that I know must exist. It seems like there might be a way to improve this in general.

        2 votes
        1. [4]
          moocow1452
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          From my experience with Marble League posting, after ten(?) posts with the tag within the ~subgroup the tag becomes an autocomplete.

          From my experience with Marble League posting, after ten(?) posts with the tag within the ~subgroup the tag becomes an autocomplete.

          1. [3]
            Kuromantis
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            Huh. From my memory, you need to be one of the top 100 tags in a sub to be an autocomplete.
            1 vote
            1. skybrian
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              That doesn't seem like nearly enough? One trick I've used is to load a different list based on the first letter typed.

              That doesn't seem like nearly enough? One trick I've used is to load a different list based on the first letter typed.

              1 vote
            2. moocow1452
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              Maybe that was the cutoff point to get into top 100 was just one for ~sports then?

              Maybe that was the cutoff point to get into top 100 was just one for ~sports then?

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    1. [2]
      Kuromantis
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      No, I meant that the autocomplete for tagging only applies on a group by group basis and some tags, like the ones I've shown above, don't apply to any one group and shouldn't go through an...

      So what would be the purpose of these "meta tags" versus regular tags? Would they be meant to be searchable across the entire website? If so, you can already do that with regular tags.

      No, I meant that the autocomplete for tagging only applies on a group by group basis and some tags, like the ones I've shown above, don't apply to any one group and shouldn't go through an autocomplete that does.

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        1. Kuromantis
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          Oh, okay. In that case, I would definitely be okay with making them global tags.

          Well "global tags", that will autocomplete when you type them regardless of how often they are used in a group, already exist.

          Oh, okay. In that case, I would definitely be okay with making them global tags.