I love the juxtaposition that Norway is both leading the charge, so to speak, on electric cars while also having a filthy rich wealth fund driven largely by oil profits.
I love the juxtaposition that Norway is both leading the charge, so to speak, on electric cars while also having a filthy rich wealth fund driven largely by oil profits.
The UK would have been in a similar situation if the Tories hadn't privatised BP back in the day. It's a funny one, and one that leads to not an unseen amount of arrogance in the citizens of...
The UK would have been in a similar situation if the Tories hadn't privatised BP back in the day.
It's a funny one, and one that leads to not an unseen amount of arrogance in the citizens of Norway (From pure personal experience) towards others who they deem not to be doing enough in regards to climate change.
It does lead to the question down the line of attributing blame, repairations, criminal charges and the such when people finally realise just how fucked the climate is.
The saddest thing is that e-cars barely do anything to solve climate change. They are almost as polluting as gas cars due to their extreme weight cancelling out the extra efficiency. Since most...
The saddest thing is that e-cars barely do anything to solve climate change. They are almost as polluting as gas cars due to their extreme weight cancelling out the extra efficiency. Since most electricity is still grey it means that an e car is just as polluting. Even worse is the pollution from making them (also we don't have enough lithium on the entire planet to make enough!). It's almost as if in 1804 we didn't invent a better way to transport a lot of people in an efficient and green way... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train
The situation is not that bad. https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars Even in countries with great rail infrastructure, you’ll find a lot...
They are almost as polluting as gas cars due to their extreme weight cancelling out the extra efficiency.
The situation is not that bad.
Stats from the U.S. Department of Energy tell a similar story: Using the nationwide average of different energy sources, DOE found that EVs create 3,932 lbs. of CO2 equivalent per year, compared to 5,772 lbs. for plug-in hybrids, 6,258 lbs. for typical hybrids, and 11,435 lbs. for gasoline vehicles.
The best case scenario looks like what’s happening today in Norway, Europe’s largest EV market: the nation draws most of its energy from hydropower, giving all those EVs a minuscule carbon footprint.
Even in countries with great rail infrastructure, you’ll find a lot of cars. We need to make them emit less; it’s a combined effort across all sectors of the economy if you want to tackle climate change.
I disagree that we should make cars emit less. Cars inherently have low efficiency leading to their high pollution output. We should give people the option to take cars if there's really no other...
I disagree that we should make cars emit less. Cars inherently have low efficiency leading to their high pollution output. We should give people the option to take cars if there's really no other mode of transport available.
We give all these exceptions to EVs like they're the solution, they're just a way for car manufacturers to keep high vehicle output. There's barely any country with a good train system. The only two that would maybe qualify would be Switzerland and Japan but even there they still overinvest in car infrastructure.
They're awesome for car companies, less so for the environment as a whole. Especially when you take into account the materials that go into their construction being beyond awful for the...
They're awesome for car companies, less so for the environment as a whole.
Especially when you take into account the materials that go into their construction being beyond awful for the environment, let alone the nigh slave labour needed to get to them.
I don't disagree with your position. But personally I'm more optimistic about battery tech. EVs in particular contribute positively to reducing emissions even with emissions for manufacturing and...
I don't disagree with your position. But personally I'm more optimistic about battery tech. EVs in particular contribute positively to reducing emissions even with emissions for manufacturing and charging them.
Id like to see more efforts to reduce emissions due to agriculture. Eating less meat is not a scalable approach imo. Humans like meat; its like pissing into the wind.
It's purely an experiential thing. I've got a lot of acquintances who are Norweigan and have a massive chip on their shoulders and are quite superior about their place in the world. It's not...
It's purely an experiential thing. I've got a lot of acquintances who are Norweigan and have a massive chip on their shoulders and are quite superior about their place in the world.
It's not overly hostile, say... like alt-right types? It's more just a smugness that grates.
I live there, and while the culture is often proud of what they have done for themselves if asked, I never hear anybody be boastful about it. There is no shortage of humility as far as I can see....
I live there, and while the culture is often proud of what they have done for themselves if asked, I never hear anybody be boastful about it. There is no shortage of humility as far as I can see. Lovely people I think.
Wonder if it's those overseas then? I'm in the UK and I do see it a lot. Don't get me wrong, generally very decent human beings. But sometimes they can just be aloof/smug and it gets a bit much....
Wonder if it's those overseas then?
I'm in the UK and I do see it a lot. Don't get me wrong, generally very decent human beings. But sometimes they can just be aloof/smug and it gets a bit much.
It's a generalisation more than anything. I'm British, we have our own reputation to condend with.
It's not generally in their nature to be boastful ime, but they do tend to be quite proud of their country. I don't think Norwegian pride in their country is outside the norm for most of Western...
It's not generally in their nature to be boastful ime, but they do tend to be quite proud of their country. I don't think Norwegian pride in their country is outside the norm for most of Western Europe though. But ofc I'm in Germany which is possibly the only country in Europe where you don't get much of that, and I'm American so my baseline is quite skewed.
Mirror for those hit by the paywall: https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/oil-is-hard-to-quit-even-in-norway-where-electric-cars-rule-the-road-1.1942550 (BNN Bloomberg is the official Bell Canada /...
I love the juxtaposition that Norway is both leading the charge, so to speak, on electric cars while also having a filthy rich wealth fund driven largely by oil profits.
The UK would have been in a similar situation if the Tories hadn't privatised BP back in the day.
It's a funny one, and one that leads to not an unseen amount of arrogance in the citizens of Norway (From pure personal experience) towards others who they deem not to be doing enough in regards to climate change.
It does lead to the question down the line of attributing blame, repairations, criminal charges and the such when people finally realise just how fucked the climate is.
The saddest thing is that e-cars barely do anything to solve climate change. They are almost as polluting as gas cars due to their extreme weight cancelling out the extra efficiency. Since most electricity is still grey it means that an e car is just as polluting. Even worse is the pollution from making them (also we don't have enough lithium on the entire planet to make enough!). It's almost as if in 1804 we didn't invent a better way to transport a lot of people in an efficient and green way... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train
The situation is not that bad.
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars
Even in countries with great rail infrastructure, you’ll find a lot of cars. We need to make them emit less; it’s a combined effort across all sectors of the economy if you want to tackle climate change.
I disagree that we should make cars emit less. Cars inherently have low efficiency leading to their high pollution output. We should give people the option to take cars if there's really no other mode of transport available.
We give all these exceptions to EVs like they're the solution, they're just a way for car manufacturers to keep high vehicle output. There's barely any country with a good train system. The only two that would maybe qualify would be Switzerland and Japan but even there they still overinvest in car infrastructure.
They're awesome for car companies, less so for the environment as a whole.
Especially when you take into account the materials that go into their construction being beyond awful for the environment, let alone the nigh slave labour needed to get to them.
I don't disagree with your position. But personally I'm more optimistic about battery tech. EVs in particular contribute positively to reducing emissions even with emissions for manufacturing and charging them.
Id like to see more efforts to reduce emissions due to agriculture. Eating less meat is not a scalable approach imo. Humans like meat; its like pissing into the wind.
Perhaps this arrogance you speak of exists, but I haven’t witnessed it.
It's purely an experiential thing. I've got a lot of acquintances who are Norweigan and have a massive chip on their shoulders and are quite superior about their place in the world.
It's not overly hostile, say... like alt-right types? It's more just a smugness that grates.
I live there, and while the culture is often proud of what they have done for themselves if asked, I never hear anybody be boastful about it. There is no shortage of humility as far as I can see. Lovely people I think.
Wonder if it's those overseas then?
I'm in the UK and I do see it a lot. Don't get me wrong, generally very decent human beings. But sometimes they can just be aloof/smug and it gets a bit much.
It's a generalisation more than anything. I'm British, we have our own reputation to condend with.
It's not generally in their nature to be boastful ime, but they do tend to be quite proud of their country. I don't think Norwegian pride in their country is outside the norm for most of Western Europe though. But ofc I'm in Germany which is possibly the only country in Europe where you don't get much of that, and I'm American so my baseline is quite skewed.
Mirror for those hit by the paywall:
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/oil-is-hard-to-quit-even-in-norway-where-electric-cars-rule-the-road-1.1942550
(BNN Bloomberg is the official Bell Canada / Bloomberg partnership site, and has no paywalls)