A reader at respected airline industry site Leeham News offered a comment that suggests they have access to Boeing’s internal quality control systems, and shares details of what they saw regarding the Boeing 737 MAX 9 flown by Alaska Airlines that had a door plug detach inflight, causing rapid decompression of the aircraft.
The takeaway appears to be that outsourced plane components have so many problems when they show up at the production line that Boeing’s quality control staff can’t keep up with them all.
It's also that the two teams (Spirit and Boeing) use different Quality tracking software systems which, between the two of them, can't tell if a door plug has been removed vs just opened during...
It's also that the two teams (Spirit and Boeing) use different Quality tracking software systems which, between the two of them, can't tell if a door plug has been removed vs just opened during construction, and as such they can't tell if the retaining bolts have been inspected during that phase.
Real talk. I have a short 737 flight in a few months. Are they still safer than being in a regular taxi for two hours? http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm 3 fatal incidents per...
Real talk. I have a short 737 flight in a few months. Are they still safer than being in a regular taxi for two hours?
According to this chart https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics... buses and trains have 0.02 to 0.04 deaths per 100,000,000 miles travelled. This compares to 0.01 deaths in the commercial aviation. So pretty much on par, but if you switched to deaths per hours of travel, which is IMHO better statistic, assuming that a average plane flights say 10 times faster than a bus/train (800km/h vs 80km/h which seems reasonable) then the commercial aviation is actually less safe, but not by a big margin either, within the same order of magnitude.
Anyway it's too late for this flight. And even if I filter out 737 maxes for future flight, the airline can and has auto swapped me so it's moot for me to worry about. -..- I don't like it but it is what it is.
I imagine so, as taxi drivers for the most part are professional drivers with hours of traffic experience per day, vs most of us who just use it to commute or make short necessary trips. Less...
I imagine so, as taxi drivers for the most part are professional drivers with hours of traffic experience per day, vs most of us who just use it to commute or make short necessary trips. Less prone to the little mistakes or careless actions that lead to road accidents.
It's just not accurate that you're more likely to die from crossing the road. Even though pedestrian traffic deaths are at their highest level in over 40 years, as of 2021 they still represented...
You are extremely unlikely to die on either. You are probably more likely to die falling down the stairs or crossing the road.
It's just not accurate that you're more likely to die from crossing the road. Even though pedestrian traffic deaths are at their highest level in over 40 years, as of 2021 they still represented less than 18% of all traffic deaths in the US. While this obviously doesn't directly represent your individual risk of dying in either situation, it's certainly not a statistic that supports the idea that one is more likely to die "crossing the road" than they are in an car crash where they're in a vehicle.
As for deaths from falling down the stairs, it's harder to find good stats on that to begin with, and I wager risk of dying from falling down the stairs is massively influenced by one's age and other health conditions to an extent that traffic deaths are not.
Adding on to this point, the leading cause of deaths for people under 45 is "unintentional injury" according to the CDC (chart). Of those unintentional injuries, traffic is clearly a greater...
Adding on to this point, the leading cause of deaths for people under 45 is "unintentional injury" according to the CDC (chart). Of those unintentional injuries, traffic is clearly a greater danger than falling except for those over 65 (chart). Collectively death by motor vehicle is the second leading cause of death by unintentional injury, following only "unintentional poisoning" (presumably overdosing?). (The third leading cause is indeed "unintentional fall", but the statistic is skewed by those over 65.)
I still remember a a couple years ago on r/WallstreetBets before the Gamestop explosion. Before the weekend, someone makes a long post about Boeing and how you should buy puts. Details about the...
I still remember a a couple years ago on r/WallstreetBets before the Gamestop explosion. Before the weekend, someone makes a long post about Boeing and how you should buy puts. Details about the manufacturing issues that they've tried to hide and it was about to become public. Sure enough the news released that Monday and Boeing's stock tanked. I couldn't believe it. Totally should have made that bet. Oh well lol
Also, the longer you hold a short position, the more expensive it becomes. Having borrowed a share to sell high and then buy back low, you need to pay 'rent' to the share's owner that beats out...
Also, the longer you hold a short position, the more expensive it becomes. Having borrowed a share to sell high and then buy back low, you need to pay 'rent' to the share's owner that beats out just collecting dividends, or selling. So if Boeing had held out long enough, you could still lose money on the trade.
It's also that the two teams (Spirit and Boeing) use different Quality tracking software systems which, between the two of them, can't tell if a door plug has been removed vs just opened during construction, and as such they can't tell if the retaining bolts have been inspected during that phase.
Related video from Real Engineering posted a few days ago:
The Questionable Engineering of the 737 Max
Real talk. I have a short 737 flight in a few months. Are they still safer than being in a regular taxi for two hours?
http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm
3 fatal incidents per million.
pi-e-sigma from !yc
Anyway it's too late for this flight. And even if I filter out 737 maxes for future flight, the airline can and has auto swapped me so it's moot for me to worry about. -..- I don't like it but it is what it is.
Statistically: Yes
plane stats vs car stats
I wonder if riding in a taxi is safer than being a driver in your own car
I imagine so, as taxi drivers for the most part are professional drivers with hours of traffic experience per day, vs most of us who just use it to commute or make short necessary trips. Less prone to the little mistakes or careless actions that lead to road accidents.
Unless they're tired and overworked.
Betting me fresh on a good day is safer than a cab driver coming off a 12 hour shift.
Probably depends a lot on you as an individual. I wouldn't bet on myself even in that situation, but I also haven't driven a car in around 5 years so.
You are extremely unlikely to die on either. You are probably more likely to die falling down the stairs or crossing the road.
It's just not accurate that you're more likely to die from crossing the road. Even though pedestrian traffic deaths are at their highest level in over 40 years, as of 2021 they still represented less than 18% of all traffic deaths in the US. While this obviously doesn't directly represent your individual risk of dying in either situation, it's certainly not a statistic that supports the idea that one is more likely to die "crossing the road" than they are in an car crash where they're in a vehicle.
As for deaths from falling down the stairs, it's harder to find good stats on that to begin with, and I wager risk of dying from falling down the stairs is massively influenced by one's age and other health conditions to an extent that traffic deaths are not.
Adding on to this point, the leading cause of deaths for people under 45 is "unintentional injury" according to the CDC (chart). Of those unintentional injuries, traffic is clearly a greater danger than falling except for those over 65 (chart). Collectively death by motor vehicle is the second leading cause of death by unintentional injury, following only "unintentional poisoning" (presumably overdosing?). (The third leading cause is indeed "unintentional fall", but the statistic is skewed by those over 65.)
ooh thank you these stats are exactly what I wanted but was too lazy to find
Likewise your comment was the one I wanted to write but was too lazy to write. :p
Boeing: a diabolical victory for financiers and managers, a disaster for engineers and flyers.
I still remember a a couple years ago on r/WallstreetBets before the Gamestop explosion. Before the weekend, someone makes a long post about Boeing and how you should buy puts. Details about the manufacturing issues that they've tried to hide and it was about to become public. Sure enough the news released that Monday and Boeing's stock tanked. I couldn't believe it. Totally should have made that bet. Oh well lol
That's always the case with these things. It also could've gone the way of the ornamental gourd market just as easily.
Also, the longer you hold a short position, the more expensive it becomes. Having borrowed a share to sell high and then buy back low, you need to pay 'rent' to the share's owner that beats out just collecting dividends, or selling. So if Boeing had held out long enough, you could still lose money on the trade.