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I don't like coffee. Can James Hoffmann change that?

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  1. [13]
    teaearlgraycold
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    Thanks for bringing Tom Scott's second channel to my attention! This is the greatest crossover in British YouTube's history. Edit: James looked so proud of Tom at the end. Like a father watching...

    Thanks for bringing Tom Scott's second channel to my attention!

    This is the greatest crossover in British YouTube's history.

    Edit: James looked so proud of Tom at the end. Like a father watching his child helping someone.

    10 votes
    1. [12]
      cfabbro
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      Heh, no prob. He only launched the second channel a few month ago, so I'm just trying to do my part to help make more people aware of it. And if you're a fan of Tom, I would definitely recommend...

      Heh, no prob. He only launched the second channel a few month ago, so I'm just trying to do my part to help make more people aware of it. And if you're a fan of Tom, I would definitely recommend checking out the other videos on it too. The video where he goes aerobatics flying with Jay Foreman is another brilliant British YouTuber crossover, and the caving video is especially interesting because of how poorly it goes.

      1 vote
      1. mat
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        I'm waiting for the video teased in the channel promo with blacksmith Alec Steele, in which I expect Tom to be quite overwhelmed by very hot metal and powerful machinery. I do mean overwhelmed in...

        I'm waiting for the video teased in the channel promo with blacksmith Alec Steele, in which I expect Tom to be quite overwhelmed by very hot metal and powerful machinery.

        I do mean overwhelmed in a nice way. I love how excited Scott gets about stuff, and one's first experience striking red hot steel is pretty exciting. I've never used a power hammer but Alec has a couple of fairly hefty ones in his current workshop.

        3 votes
      2. [8]
        aphoenix
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        I liked the caving video - I really enjoyed it, which is weird because it's just a guy having a panic attack.

        I had schadenfreude over liked the caving video - I really enjoyed it, which is weird because it's just a guy having a panic attack.

        2 votes
        1. [3]
          teaearlgraycold
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          Yeah I felt so bad for Tom I just stopped watching it.

          Yeah I felt so bad for Tom I just stopped watching it.

          3 votes
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            aphoenix
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            I thought it was incredible watching him work his way through it, talking through what his body was feeling, and how he felt about it. I did feel bad for him having to experience that, but it was...

            I thought it was incredible watching him work his way through it, talking through what his body was feeling, and how he felt about it. I did feel bad for him having to experience that, but it was pretty Tom-Scott-y to have him talk his way through the physiology of what was happening to him.

            4 votes
            1. teaearlgraycold
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              As someone that’s had panic attacks myself I’m worried it would be triggering to see too much of someone experiencing them. But I do appreciate your description. Tom and I are probably not too...

              As someone that’s had panic attacks myself I’m worried it would be triggering to see too much of someone experiencing them. But I do appreciate your description. Tom and I are probably not too different in our ways of grounding ourselves in those types of situations. You’re supposed to focus on the environment - the colors, the sounds, the smells. But if the environment is the source of stress then the next best option is to ground yourself through your physiological state. Anything to keep you from looping over the stressor in your mind is helpful.

              2 votes
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          cfabbro
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          I mostly just felt horrible for him, since I suffer from panic disorder so know exactly what he was going through, and how insanely unpleasant, confusing, and scary it likely was for him. :( I was...

          I mostly just felt horrible for him, since I suffer from panic disorder so know exactly what he was going through, and how insanely unpleasant, confusing, and scary it likely was for him. :(

          I was super happy he still decided to share the video despite how horribly it went though, since that took genuine courage to keep trying to push past it, and publicly display his failure to do so, as well as showing all those other moments of vulnerability too.

          2 votes
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            aphoenix
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            I should stipulate that I didn't take joy in his pain, but that I was happy that he shared his experience and showcased how physical reactions can manifest from panic; that was very interesting. I...

            I should stipulate that I didn't take joy in his pain, but that I was happy that he shared his experience and showcased how physical reactions can manifest from panic; that was very interesting.

            I wasn't actually happy that he was unhappy, I was happy that he was sharing, so I guess it wasn't technically shadenfreude.

            2 votes
            1. cfabbro
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              Ah, gotcha. I was hoping it was something like that, but wasn't sure since your wording was a bit weird. :P

              Ah, gotcha. I was hoping it was something like that, but wasn't sure since your wording was a bit weird. :P

              1 vote
        3. fredo
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          That's one situation in which having a panic attack sounds almost reasonable to me.

          That's one situation in which having a panic attack sounds almost reasonable to me.

          2 votes
      3. Adys
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        @teaearlgraycold is mistaken. THIS is the greatest crossovers in British YouTube history.

        The video where he goes aerobatics flying with Jay Foreman

        @teaearlgraycold is mistaken.

        THIS is the greatest crossovers in British YouTube history.

        2 votes
      4. Adys
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        I posted the aerobatics video here. Holy crap, it was amazing. I now definitely want to try that at least once in my life.

        I posted the aerobatics video here. Holy crap, it was amazing. I now definitely want to try that at least once in my life.

        1 vote
  2. Cycloneblaze
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    I don't like coffee, and this video hasn't made me want to try any; given that, it was a surprisingly enjoyable watch! I was engaged pretty much for the whole half hour. It was a nice window into...

    I don't like coffee, and this video hasn't made me want to try any; given that, it was a surprisingly enjoyable watch! I was engaged pretty much for the whole half hour. It was a nice window into a world / hobby that I know nothing about, which is always good to get.

    9 votes
  3. [3]
    tomf
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    Doing a focused cupping like this followed by brew methods is an excellent way to get people to, at a minimum, appreciate coffee. I'm really impressed with Tom Scott's tasting language. I don't...

    Doing a focused cupping like this followed by brew methods is an excellent way to get people to, at a minimum, appreciate coffee.

    I'm really impressed with Tom Scott's tasting language. I don't know much about the guy, but he was really great with associating.

    If you haven't ever done a proper cupping, definitely do one. They're fun -- and a well-curated selection can be really exciting if you're into coffee.

    7 votes
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      teaearlgraycold
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      Where can I go to get a coffee flight like this?

      Where can I go to get a coffee flight like this?

      2 votes
      1. tomf
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        often cool coffee shops will have cupping nights that are open to the public. They'll be doing them anyways for every new bean / roast. If there's a spot you go to regularly, ask them if they're...

        often cool coffee shops will have cupping nights that are open to the public. They'll be doing them anyways for every new bean / roast. If there's a spot you go to regularly, ask them if they're doing them any time soon. Some shops will have public cuppings either for free or a small cost.

        If you're really into coffee, it's good to keep track of methods, ratios, flavor profiles, etc. If you have friends who are into coffee, you can do your own (9g coffee, 150g 200F water, four minutes, scoop off the stuff that floats.) I really like the method of using spoons to scoop into a second smaller cup.

        5 votes
  4. Thra11
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    There was one bit of this video that really got me thinking. Not about coffee, but about cooking in general. I can't be bothered to go back and find the exact wording, but the gist of it was,...

    There was one bit of this video that really got me thinking. Not about coffee, but about cooking in general. I can't be bothered to go back and find the exact wording, but the gist of it was, "It's hard to judge something on it's own: It's much easier to compare two things side by side".

    I figure when I'm experimenting with with stuff in the kitchen, be it different spice blends, different cooking techniques, or just different vegetables, ideally, what I should do is make a variety of separate portions to compare at the same time, instead of making something one day, then trying a slightly different version a week later. Unfortunately, that would be an unmanageable amount of extra work for most dishes, but where possible, I reckon it would:

    1. Allow me to see more clearly exactly how a variation in ingredients or technique affects the final result.
    2. Allow me to be a bit more adventurous and work out where the boundaries are. It doesn't matter so much if one small portion is a bit extreme.
    3. Make it easier to get feedback from my partner on what she prefers. Instead of, "Did you like it?" "Yeah, it was nice." "What would you change to make it even better?" "Don't know", I could ask which of the options she preferred and why.
    4 votes
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    fredo
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    I'm pretty sure I have a genetic mutation that makes me very sensitive to bitterness. Many friends tried to no avail to make me tolerate coffee, and, according to them, enter this paradisiac realm...

    I'm pretty sure I have a genetic mutation that makes me very sensitive to bitterness. Many friends tried to no avail to make me tolerate coffee, and, according to them, enter this paradisiac realm of otherworldly joy. One friend in particularly is actually aggravated by the fact that I don't drink coffee. A girlfriend once convinced me to taste some "wonderful" bitter chocolate. I spat it in her hand. It tasted like whatever crude oil must taste like.

    There seems to be a weird association between adulthood and the ability to tolerate bitterness...

    So yeah, I remain unimpressed. Just let me eat my caramel like the silly child I am, thank you very much. Besides, isn't coffee addictive? And why should I take a lesson just to like a food anyway? Just because "adults should drink coffee"? That's silly. I'm an adult, I don't drink coffee. I don't wanna learn to drink coffee. Deal with it! 🤬

    2 votes
    1. [2]
      Adys
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      This, right? https://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/basics/ptc/ Did you ever try test strips? I’ve been curious to try them and I don’t think I have that gene. Overall though, your comment seems...

      This, right? https://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/basics/ptc/

      Did you ever try test strips? I’ve been curious to try them and I don’t think I have that gene.

      Overall though, your comment seems super misguided. Nobody “should” drink coffee any more than they “should” drink liquor or “should” be having sex. It’s an experience and clearly Tom wanted to see if, in good conditions, this could be a pleasant experience for him. And by being open minded, he found that it could be.

      It’s okay to want to do things just to be able to join in on the fun that others seem to be having. To give you an example, I HATE parties and if I’m invited I decline or if I really have to go, I will not stay long. But I’d actually love to be able to enjoy them. Same with night clubs. Same with watching anime. Same with football.

      I find Tom’s approach commendable and I think he is super lucky to be able to significantly grow like this as part of his job.

      As for you, you don’t like coffee and don’t want to start liking it. Okay, what of it?

      2 votes
      1. fredo
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        Oh yeah I'm not really saying that happens in the video, just sharing a personal anecdote about how even the slightest deviation from the norm can often aggravated some people...

        Oh yeah I'm not really saying that happens in the video, just sharing a personal anecdote about how even the slightest deviation from the norm can often aggravated some people...

        2 votes