Some thoughts: This was leaked ahead of time, kind of ruining the surprise Art style looks like it's favoring realism in the vein of Twilight Princess/The Wii U tech demo again The logo typography...
Some thoughts:
This was leaked ahead of time, kind of ruining the surprise
Art style looks like it's favoring realism in the vein of Twilight Princess/The Wii U tech demo again
The logo typography matches Breath of the Wild. This probably means some game design elements may be ported back and this will prove controversial to classic Zelda fans.
This will prove controversial regardless so I don't know why I singled that out.
If anything, remakes should be transformative in some way to justify their existence. But I hold that belief under the hope that the original is always easily accessible.
If anything, remakes should be transformative in some way to justify their existence. But I hold that belief under the hope that the original is always easily accessible.
I have the cartridge in my 3DS and the original is on Nintendo Switch Online. And people will still get angry because that's just what they do unfortunately.
I have the cartridge in my 3DS and the original is on Nintendo Switch Online. And people will still get angry because that's just what they do unfortunately.
I think it's fair to be disappointed if you just want the same game but with better graphics and controls and you get something different. But people will obviously be much worse than disappointed...
I think it's fair to be disappointed if you just want the same game but with better graphics and controls and you get something different.
But people will obviously be much worse than disappointed because that's what people do.
For a game like this I think the remake exists so parents can play it with their kids without ruining surprises because they remember the solutions to all the puzzles. It’s new enough to hold...
For a game like this I think the remake exists so parents can play it with their kids without ruining surprises because they remember the solutions to all the puzzles. It’s new enough to hold interest for those who have played it before and classic enough to feel like you’re reliving old memories while you do it.
I vote to inject as much ToTK open world into it as possible. For fans of the original, the chance to explore old locations in higher fidelity will be amazing.
I vote to inject as much ToTK open world into it as possible. For fans of the original, the chance to explore old locations in higher fidelity will be amazing.
This is the second remake and the fifth release of Ocarina of Time. I wonder how much more they can milk this game. I'd really like a brand new Zelda game. TotK was too similar to BotW and I just...
This is the second remake and the fifth release of Ocarina of Time. I wonder how much more they can milk this game.
I'd really like a brand new Zelda game. TotK was too similar to BotW and I just couldn't get into it. Echoes of Wisdom was fun, though quite short. Releases are getting further apart, and I hope that EoW doesn't mean the next original Zelda installment is another decade away.
Idk feels fine to me. The OoT remake was on the 3DS, and it mostly kept the same gameplay. Honestly OoT feels pretty dated these days, from the awkward camera movement to always starting the game...
Idk feels fine to me. The OoT remake was on the 3DS, and it mostly kept the same gameplay. Honestly OoT feels pretty dated these days, from the awkward camera movement to always starting the game from Link’s house. Not surprising given it was one of the first 3D third person games. Things have changed a lot since it came out.
I played OoT 3D Master Mode last year with a modded free-camera and gotta say, with a free camera OoT really holds up. But I'm never opposed to different takes on the same story.
I played OoT 3D Master Mode last year with a modded free-camera and gotta say, with a free camera OoT really holds up.
But I'm never opposed to different takes on the same story.
Here you go. This is what I used. https://github.com/Roberto-Nessy/OoT3D_Standalone_Free_Cam Of course, bear in mind you need a New Nintendo 3DS for the C-stick. Another cool thing I did was use...
Of course, bear in mind you need a New Nintendo 3DS for the C-stick.
Another cool thing I did was use rehid, where I mapped the ZL/ZR buttons to the touchscreen only items, and the down button on the d-pad to the Ocarina. Best OoT experience I've had if you ask me.
Now we're just discussing semantics, but I think that's still a remake. Do you consider the 3DS version to just be a remaster instead of a remake? Personally, I consider it to be a remake because...
Now we're just discussing semantics, but I think that's still a remake. Do you consider the 3DS version to just be a remaster instead of a remake? Personally, I consider it to be a remake because it does have major visual changes, even if the underlying code is the same.
Interestingly, Wikipedia (famously never incorrect) explicitly lists OoT 3DS as an example of a remake because the graphics were updated and not just rescaled or rerendered from the original.
There's also no indication yet that the Switch 2 version will be anything more than a graphics and sound update. Notably the only thing we know for sure is that the graphics are different.
In my own head, a "remake" is when a game gets some major changes to it during the update. A "remaster" is purely graphical, performance, and perhaps some "game feel" improvements.
In my own head, a "remake" is when a game gets some major changes to it during the update. A "remaster" is purely graphical, performance, and perhaps some "game feel" improvements.
To me, "remaster" refers to taking analogue tapes or films and producing a new master recording for a new (usually digital) release. It makes zero sense for software. Putting a game on a new...
To me, "remaster" refers to taking analogue tapes or films and producing a new master recording for a new (usually digital) release. It makes zero sense for software.
Putting a game on a new platform, with changes to accommodate the hardware, is a port. All the games in the Direct that were just announced to be coming to Switch 2, after being previously on other platforms, aren't "remakes."
Making a new game largely following an old game is remaking a game. Just altering textures and fixing some runability issues is just patching an existing game for a new release.
e.g. the updated Bioshock games are just Bioshock with a new point release, Final Fantasy 7 Remake is a whole new game retelling the same story as its predecessor, and The Witcher 3 on the Switch is still The Witcher 3.
The fourth or fifth time I bought the original Legend of Zelda was about when I decided to primarily switch to PC gaming and not feel too bad about emulating consoles.
The fourth or fifth time I bought the original Legend of Zelda was about when I decided to primarily switch to PC gaming and not feel too bad about emulating consoles.
It's the obvious downer comment, but in this race to the bottom of the nostalgia barrel, I wonder at what point companies will stop. Will it be when there's no IP left to squeeze, when millennials...
It's the obvious downer comment, but in this race to the bottom of the nostalgia barrel, I wonder at what point companies will stop. Will it be when there's no IP left to squeeze, when millennials lose interest or run out of money, or when the next generation has the spending power to demand something better than their parents refurbished leftovers.
Frankly, I really began to loathe the fact that for much of my childhood, I was served repackaged classic rock, Dukes of Hazard and stories about how there was no greater act than Zepplin and Floyd. It gave us no room to breath as a generation, and I'm worried that we're doing the same thing with our own kids.
Never? We’ve been recycling stories and nostalgia baiting since the days of Homer. Do you think this materially affected the creative output of any particular generation? Inasmuch as you can be...
Never? We’ve been recycling stories and nostalgia baiting since the days of Homer.
It gave us no room to breath as a generation, and I'm worried that we're doing the same thing with our own kids.
Do you think this materially affected the creative output of any particular generation? Inasmuch as you can be objective I don’t particularly see a dip in any artistic medium through the generations that wasn’t driven by technological changes.
You're right -- they never will and never have, so it's hard to construct a scenario where creative output can be measured. A person could also argue that the creative output of a younger...
You're right -- they never will and never have, so it's hard to construct a scenario where creative output can be measured. A person could also argue that the creative output of a younger generation historically a reaction to this.
That said, the Dukes of Hazard movie or the genre gulf between 90's grunge and 70's prog rock was huge, whereas the quips in Mario Galaxy and the over saturation of AAA golden age remakes in the pipeline has blurred the defining lines between generations. For the first time in history, a massive amount of the last generation's cultural products are readily available to the next.
My argument is that today, the nostalgia machine is especially effective. It knows how to appeal to the next generation like none before it, and reference to the past is within everybody's grasp at all times and doesn't allow the next generation to make a clean break from the former one's influence.
I’m not really sure that makes sense. There isn’t a clean break between generations to begin with. Generations themselves are completely arbitrary. Why would you expect art to have clean breaks?...
My argument is that today, the nostalgia machine is especially effective. It knows how to appeal to the next generation like none before it, and reference to the past is within everybody's grasp at all times and doesn't allow the next generation to make a clean break from the former one's influence.
I’m not really sure that makes sense. There isn’t a clean break between generations to begin with. Generations themselves are completely arbitrary. Why would you expect art to have clean breaks? That’s just not how human lives work - people live with other people, including those 10, 20 years older and younger.
There’s plenty of creative and experimental works being made in every field, which live alongside bulkier remakes and re-hashes. That’s just how things are, and will be.
Generations, cultural texts, media are amorphous but not arbitrary. Absolute access to everything at all times versus the impact that degrading media has on moving one generation's cultural...
Generations, cultural texts, media are amorphous but not arbitrary.
Absolute access to everything at all times versus the impact that degrading media has on moving one generation's cultural milestones along in order to make way for another's distinguishes the present moment from all that came before it. It's a massive contributor to the nostalgia churn we're seeing -- one that's taken hold of Hollywood and the games industry function more than ever.
Yes, there will always be subcultures. Yes, new forms of creativity will always find a way. Also, yes this particular moment is very different from what came before it because of the technological landscape we live in.
I think my only disappointment with this is that it's Switch 2 only, as I'm sick of buying new consoles just to play one or two games. I like the redesign of Link's tunic, hopefully that's the...
I think my only disappointment with this is that it's Switch 2 only, as I'm sick of buying new consoles just to play one or two games. I like the redesign of Link's tunic, hopefully that's the actual design and he doesn't get a Hylian green tunic later, and in turn, I hope that the Zora tunic is similar to the Zora armour from Twilight Princess, as well that the Goron tunic has more Goron elements to it.
Thoughts about the game and trailer itself aside: I'm annoyed when remakes or reboots just have the title of the original game without a subtitle or something that clearly labels it's a new thing....
Thoughts about the game and trailer itself aside: I'm annoyed when remakes or reboots just have the title of the original game without a subtitle or something that clearly labels it's a new thing. We'll forever have to use the year in parentheses to describe which game we're talking about. Nintendo did this for Link's Awakening's remake, and we see the same thing with the Resident Evil remakes.
That one's even weirder, because it's like a reverse Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood. They're remaking early parts of the still ongoing anime in a style closer to the new seasons, probably...
That one's even weirder, because it's like a reverse Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood. They're remaking early parts of the still ongoing anime in a style closer to the new seasons, probably cutting down filler, and presumably there will be an expected point where the viewer switches to the other one. (Never mind that it will take years to do the new adaptation, so watching the original is actually still faster for now.)
I loved the original (but never finished it, now that I think about it) but always preferred Wind Waker. I have zero expectations for this remake but will definitely pick it up. Though, I have to...
I loved the original (but never finished it, now that I think about it) but always preferred Wind Waker. I have zero expectations for this remake but will definitely pick it up. Though, I have to say that I’m low-key hoping it’s a huge remake like FF7 Remake was. I know that turned a lot of people off but because this was already 3rd-person 3D, I don’t think it’d be as jarring but I know people are die-hard for OoT as-is. Looking forward to seeing what they did, regardless!
Is there any actual gameplay? Like... what is this? Why did a remake of a 28 year old game need an announcement teaser with nothing else to show? I know it said 2026 but this is on par with...
Is there any actual gameplay? Like... what is this? Why did a remake of a 28 year old game need an announcement teaser with nothing else to show? I know it said 2026 but this is on par with bethesda slapping together an es6 "trailer" showing a generated landscape.
The character design in the trailer does not inspire confidence. It looks like they took the first result for "i remake zelda in unreal engine 5" on YouTube and hired the designer. It's so ugly.
The character design in the trailer does not inspire confidence. It looks like they took the first result for "i remake zelda in unreal engine 5" on YouTube and hired the designer. It's so ugly.
I can't stand the style of the character. The clothing looks fine and everything but the style they have in the trailer for how Link looks like if polar express was a little more updated. It's...
I can't stand the style of the character. The clothing looks fine and everything but the style they have in the trailer for how Link looks like if polar express was a little more updated. It's just ugly realism that looks like dated CGI haha
It never ceases to amaze me how gamers will draw sweeping conclusions about art direction from 5 seconds of static footage. “If Polar Express was a little more updated.” Come on! Be serious....
It never ceases to amaze me how gamers will draw sweeping conclusions about art direction from 5 seconds of static footage. “If Polar Express was a little more updated.” Come on! Be serious.
People complained the same way about Windwaker from the trailers and now it’s art style has aged better than basically every 3D entry in the series.
The port of the original looks like ass on the Nintendo Switch when I play it with Nintendo Online. This looks decent. But I’m gonna have to really think about whether I wanna spend that kind of...
The port of the original looks like ass on the Nintendo Switch when I play it with Nintendo Online. This looks decent. But I’m gonna have to really think about whether I wanna spend that kind of money on it.
Some thoughts:
If anything, remakes should be transformative in some way to justify their existence. But I hold that belief under the hope that the original is always easily accessible.
I have the cartridge in my 3DS and the original is on Nintendo Switch Online. And people will still get angry because that's just what they do unfortunately.
I think it's fair to be disappointed if you just want the same game but with better graphics and controls and you get something different.
But people will obviously be much worse than disappointed because that's what people do.
For a game like this I think the remake exists so parents can play it with their kids without ruining surprises because they remember the solutions to all the puzzles. It’s new enough to hold interest for those who have played it before and classic enough to feel like you’re reliving old memories while you do it.
I vote to inject as much ToTK open world into it as possible. For fans of the original, the chance to explore old locations in higher fidelity will be amazing.
This is the second remake and the fifth release of Ocarina of Time. I wonder how much more they can milk this game.
I'd really like a brand new Zelda game. TotK was too similar to BotW and I just couldn't get into it. Echoes of Wisdom was fun, though quite short. Releases are getting further apart, and I hope that EoW doesn't mean the next original Zelda installment is another decade away.
Idk feels fine to me. The OoT remake was on the 3DS, and it mostly kept the same gameplay. Honestly OoT feels pretty dated these days, from the awkward camera movement to always starting the game from Link’s house. Not surprising given it was one of the first 3D third person games. Things have changed a lot since it came out.
A remake has a lot to offer.
I played OoT 3D Master Mode last year with a modded free-camera and gotta say, with a free camera OoT really holds up.
But I'm never opposed to different takes on the same story.
I need to find this mod, I have a hacked 3ds and the game ready to go...
The unofficial PC port Ship of Harkinian has freecam on the right stick built in, which is another option.
Here you go. This is what I used. https://github.com/Roberto-Nessy/OoT3D_Standalone_Free_Cam
Of course, bear in mind you need a New Nintendo 3DS for the C-stick.
Another cool thing I did was use rehid, where I mapped the ZL/ZR buttons to the touchscreen only items, and the down button on the d-pad to the Ocarina. Best OoT experience I've had if you ask me.
It was never remade for the 3DS, it was just ported. The proof is the decompilation projects. The same C code matches between all versions.
Now we're just discussing semantics, but I think that's still a remake. Do you consider the 3DS version to just be a remaster instead of a remake? Personally, I consider it to be a remake because it does have major visual changes, even if the underlying code is the same.
Interestingly, Wikipedia (famously never incorrect) explicitly lists OoT 3DS as an example of a remake because the graphics were updated and not just rescaled or rerendered from the original.
There's also no indication yet that the Switch 2 version will be anything more than a graphics and sound update. Notably the only thing we know for sure is that the graphics are different.
In my own head, a "remake" is when a game gets some major changes to it during the update. A "remaster" is purely graphical, performance, and perhaps some "game feel" improvements.
To me, "remaster" refers to taking analogue tapes or films and producing a new master recording for a new (usually digital) release. It makes zero sense for software.
Putting a game on a new platform, with changes to accommodate the hardware, is a port. All the games in the Direct that were just announced to be coming to Switch 2, after being previously on other platforms, aren't "remakes."
Making a new game largely following an old game is remaking a game. Just altering textures and fixing some runability issues is just patching an existing game for a new release.
e.g. the updated Bioshock games are just Bioshock with a new point release, Final Fantasy 7 Remake is a whole new game retelling the same story as its predecessor, and The Witcher 3 on the Switch is still The Witcher 3.
The fourth or fifth time I bought the original Legend of Zelda was about when I decided to primarily switch to PC gaming and not feel too bad about emulating consoles.
It's the obvious downer comment, but in this race to the bottom of the nostalgia barrel, I wonder at what point companies will stop. Will it be when there's no IP left to squeeze, when millennials lose interest or run out of money, or when the next generation has the spending power to demand something better than their parents refurbished leftovers.
Frankly, I really began to loathe the fact that for much of my childhood, I was served repackaged classic rock, Dukes of Hazard and stories about how there was no greater act than Zepplin and Floyd. It gave us no room to breath as a generation, and I'm worried that we're doing the same thing with our own kids.
Never? We’ve been recycling stories and nostalgia baiting since the days of Homer.
Do you think this materially affected the creative output of any particular generation? Inasmuch as you can be objective I don’t particularly see a dip in any artistic medium through the generations that wasn’t driven by technological changes.
You're right -- they never will and never have, so it's hard to construct a scenario where creative output can be measured. A person could also argue that the creative output of a younger generation historically a reaction to this.
That said, the Dukes of Hazard movie or the genre gulf between 90's grunge and 70's prog rock was huge, whereas the quips in Mario Galaxy and the over saturation of AAA golden age remakes in the pipeline has blurred the defining lines between generations. For the first time in history, a massive amount of the last generation's cultural products are readily available to the next.
My argument is that today, the nostalgia machine is especially effective. It knows how to appeal to the next generation like none before it, and reference to the past is within everybody's grasp at all times and doesn't allow the next generation to make a clean break from the former one's influence.
I’m not really sure that makes sense. There isn’t a clean break between generations to begin with. Generations themselves are completely arbitrary. Why would you expect art to have clean breaks? That’s just not how human lives work - people live with other people, including those 10, 20 years older and younger.
There’s plenty of creative and experimental works being made in every field, which live alongside bulkier remakes and re-hashes. That’s just how things are, and will be.
Generations, cultural texts, media are amorphous but not arbitrary.
Absolute access to everything at all times versus the impact that degrading media has on moving one generation's cultural milestones along in order to make way for another's distinguishes the present moment from all that came before it. It's a massive contributor to the nostalgia churn we're seeing -- one that's taken hold of Hollywood and the games industry function more than ever.
Yes, there will always be subcultures. Yes, new forms of creativity will always find a way. Also, yes this particular moment is very different from what came before it because of the technological landscape we live in.
I think my only disappointment with this is that it's Switch 2 only, as I'm sick of buying new consoles just to play one or two games. I like the redesign of Link's tunic, hopefully that's the actual design and he doesn't get a Hylian green tunic later, and in turn, I hope that the Zora tunic is similar to the Zora armour from Twilight Princess, as well that the Goron tunic has more Goron elements to it.
Thoughts about the game and trailer itself aside: I'm annoyed when remakes or reboots just have the title of the original game without a subtitle or something that clearly labels it's a new thing. We'll forever have to use the year in parentheses to describe which game we're talking about. Nintendo did this for Link's Awakening's remake, and we see the same thing with the Resident Evil remakes.
They could have gone with The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time, for added confusion.
Which is quite literally what the One Piece anime is doing for their remake, lol
That one's even weirder, because it's like a reverse Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood. They're remaking early parts of the still ongoing anime in a style closer to the new seasons, probably cutting down filler, and presumably there will be an expected point where the viewer switches to the other one. (Never mind that it will take years to do the new adaptation, so watching the original is actually still faster for now.)
I loved the original (but never finished it, now that I think about it) but always preferred Wind Waker. I have zero expectations for this remake but will definitely pick it up. Though, I have to say that I’m low-key hoping it’s a huge remake like FF7 Remake was. I know that turned a lot of people off but because this was already 3rd-person 3D, I don’t think it’d be as jarring but I know people are die-hard for OoT as-is. Looking forward to seeing what they did, regardless!
Is there any actual gameplay? Like... what is this? Why did a remake of a 28 year old game need an announcement teaser with nothing else to show? I know it said 2026 but this is on par with bethesda slapping together an es6 "trailer" showing a generated landscape.
The character design in the trailer does not inspire confidence. It looks like they took the first result for "i remake zelda in unreal engine 5" on YouTube and hired the designer. It's so ugly.
I can't stand the style of the character. The clothing looks fine and everything but the style they have in the trailer for how Link looks like if polar express was a little more updated. It's just ugly realism that looks like dated CGI haha
It never ceases to amaze me how gamers will draw sweeping conclusions about art direction from 5 seconds of static footage. “If Polar Express was a little more updated.” Come on! Be serious.
People complained the same way about Windwaker from the trailers and now it’s art style has aged better than basically every 3D entry in the series.
Sure, maybe your comment deserves the shit the other reply gave it, but I liked the Polar Express joke ;)
The port of the original looks like ass on the Nintendo Switch when I play it with Nintendo Online. This looks decent. But I’m gonna have to really think about whether I wanna spend that kind of money on it.