So disappointed to read this article and not get a specific release date. Since they made a whole point about not having any trailers or marketing for this movie, that makes me want to see it...
So disappointed to read this article and not get a specific release date. Since they made a whole point about not having any trailers or marketing for this movie, that makes me want to see it without spoilers, and the longer it takes to get localized, the longer random asses online have to post spoilers... I'm betting Youtubers will be putting major spoilers in their thumbnails and that sort of thing.
Ok, maybe an aside, but I never understood why people care about spoilers? It's nice to be surprised by some things, but is it really so bad to have some minor thing spoiled for you? This comes...
Ok, maybe an aside, but I never understood why people care about spoilers? It's nice to be surprised by some things, but is it really so bad to have some minor thing spoiled for you?
This comes with the caveat that I'm the kind of person who reads the plot of a movie as I'm watching it - especially if it's a horror movie.
I don't understand why some people don't care about spoilers. For me, being surprised that a story went in a direction I couldn't have predicted is the primary thing I enjoy about every medium of...
I don't understand why some people don't care about spoilers. For me, being surprised that a story went in a direction I couldn't have predicted is the primary thing I enjoy about every medium of entertainment. A good way of explaining it is that rewatching a good movie or watching a movie that I had spoiled is like going to a museum with a tour guide. "On your left you'll see the scene where the hero punches a guy in the face, and on your right you'll see a national monument getting blown up. Now follow me to the gritty backstory exhibit..." Still enjoyable, but more dry. Seeing a movie, and especially playing a game, without spoilers is more like going on a random hike in the woods and finding an artifact yourself like a rare coin or a Native American arrowhead or whatever. It's much more exciting that way.
is it really so bad to have some minor thing spoiled for you?
That depends on a lot of factors. It someone spoiled that for example Insomniac PS4 Spider-Man makes a cameo in Across the Spider-Verse, that's a very minor thing and I wouldn't be mad. With this new Miyazaki movie, though, the goal of Studio Ghibli is to tell you as little as humanly possible before seeing the movie, ensuring you have the least possible expectations before going in. If that's how the creators of the work want me to interact with it, it must be for a good reason, so I want to see it that way.
And I find it stressful! Especially in games at times. I like knowing I didn't miss something, or that some line didn't go over my head. I'm not saying that I always go out of my way to spoil...
It's much more exciting that way.
And I find it stressful! Especially in games at times. I like knowing I didn't miss something, or that some line didn't go over my head.
I'm not saying that I always go out of my way to spoil things for myself, but I also don't mind if it happens and - as I said before - in some cases I seek it out because I get anxiety about what happens in a scene or the fate of a character. This prevents me from actively enjoying the movie.
You bring up a good point about discovering a story being like making a discovery in the woods. I love exploring in real life like that, some of my favorite memories are of wandering in the woods and fields or cities and seeing what I stumble upon, but that's at my own pace. A movie sets it's own pace, and that occasionally disagrees with me. I also enjoy other aspects of a movie such as cinematography, the overall message of the film, the acting, and details such as historical accuracy.
In a hundred hour game? Yeah, fuck missable things. Especially ones that cut you out really early. But in a movie that takes a couple hours? Yeah, I can miss something. Either I'm going to care...
In a hundred hour game? Yeah, fuck missable things. Especially ones that cut you out really early.
But in a movie that takes a couple hours? Yeah, I can miss something. Either I'm going to care enough for the rewatch to let me catch it or, honestly, I don't need to catch every little thing. I'm not gonna lose any sleep because I didn't notice Tom Cruise's pen said some obscure reference to Risky Business or something.
But, as usual with things that involve artistry, no wrong way to enjoy it as long as it doesn't impact others. I would advocate for my viewpoint though, let the first watch be blind then look up the interviews to learn all about it and watch it again. You'll be freed up from paying close attention to the plot and be able to actually catch all of the little things. That's how I do it, mostly.
This is why I usually look up reviews and discussion threads about a movie after I've seen it. Then I get to see all the tidbits that I was apparently supposed to know about but didn't. I don't...
And I find it stressful! Especially in games at times. I like knowing I didn't miss something, or that some line didn't go over my head.
This is why I usually look up reviews and discussion threads about a movie after I've seen it. Then I get to see all the tidbits that I was apparently supposed to know about but didn't. I don't worry about that stuff too much during the game or movie itself since the big "unmissable" stuff I got to experience myself, but I can always rely on nerds to let me know exactly what I was supposed to get out of it, lol.
You can never re-experience something for the first time. As a film example, I remember The Sixth Sense having a huge impact on the zeitgeist when it came out. People just couldn't stop talking...
You can never re-experience something for the first time.
As a film example, I remember The Sixth Sense having a huge impact on the zeitgeist when it came out. People just couldn't stop talking about it and how crazy the twist ending was. It was shocking and unexpected and left an impact that really made it feel like it would forever be in the all-time greatest horror pantheon.
But you hardly ever hear anyone talk about it now. I'm not sure it's even a contender for Shyamalan's best movies. At this point, he's better known for his mediocrity than his prowess too, which puts The Sixth Sense in a runner-up position in a list of mediocre movies.
I never watched the movie contemporaneous with it's release, and only saw it over a decade later on streaming. Knowing the twist framed the entire movie, and it just felt so incredibly obvious that I honestly found it a chore to sit through. The movie does not stand together on repeat viewings, but that doesn't make it a bad movie; that just means I was robbed of the experience.
You can absolutely appreciate repeated experiences of things, but you can only experience it for the first time once. Spoilers deny that to people.
Same, I care about the journey, not the destination. However, it depends on the story. A good twist can be fun so I don’t want those spoiled but just like your average ending to something isn’t...
Same, I care about the journey, not the destination. However, it depends on the story. A good twist can be fun so I don’t want those spoiled but just like your average ending to something isn’t that surprising so the important stuff is what happens in the middle.
The only saving grace is that the source material really doesn't contain anything you can spoil really. It's not that kind of book. I don't know how Ghibli will adapt it but it's looking like this...
The only saving grace is that the source material really doesn't contain anything you can spoil really. It's not that kind of book.
I don't know how Ghibli will adapt it but it's looking like this will be a bit of a departure for people wanting magical fantasy adventures. That weird title change for Western releases and the poster art will only cause more dissonance when people actually sit down in the theaters.
I hope so! When I first heard of Miyazaki mentioning his love for the book, I got a copy of the English translation by Bruno Navasky. It's just a kid doing normal kid stuff with his uncle's...
I hope so!
When I first heard of Miyazaki mentioning his love for the book, I got a copy of the English translation by Bruno Navasky. It's just a kid doing normal kid stuff with his uncle's long-winded lectures about morality and philosophy at the end of each chapter.
Then again, it was meant as part of an educational curriculum; a liberal (for pre-war japan) primer on Japanese values for little kids that was released just before WWII ripped everything apart.
Has he pulled this stunt several times now? Yes. Does whether or not this is a "last film" of his affect my certainty in going to go see it? No. If he announced he was in the full swing again or...
Has he pulled this stunt several times now? Yes. Does whether or not this is a "last film" of his affect my certainty in going to go see it? No. If he announced he was in the full swing again or doing just 1 more I'd see it regardless. So he can do this song and dance however many times he wants if it means more movies.
I feel like he does it every time Ghibli releases a film that's considered a stinker in comparison to their catalogue. So, not really surprised he's doing this after the negative reception Earwig...
I feel like he does it every time Ghibli releases a film that's considered a stinker in comparison to their catalogue. So, not really surprised he's doing this after the negative reception Earwig and the Witch received.
How do you live? has been in production since 2016, a full 4 years before Earwig and the Witch released. I wouldn't be surprised if it started production way before Earwig and the Witch did.
How do you live? has been in production since 2016, a full 4 years before Earwig and the Witch released. I wouldn't be surprised if it started production way before Earwig and the Witch did.
Oof. It’s like he wanted to leave the legacy of the studio to his son but the guy just doesn’t have the chops. Earwig was a travesty too.
During a private screening prior to the film's release [Tales from Earthsea], Gorō's father, Hayao, was asked what he thought of the film. He said, "I was looking at my kid. He's not an adult yet. That is all."
Oof. It’s like he wanted to leave the legacy of the studio to his son but the guy just doesn’t have the chops. Earwig was a travesty too.
He already said something to the effect of "he wasn't ready" after Tales of Earthsea came out and didn't do well. I never saw Earwig but obviously it didn't go well. I think Miyazaki actually...
He already said something to the effect of "he wasn't ready" after Tales of Earthsea came out and didn't do well.
I never saw Earwig but obviously it didn't go well. I think Miyazaki actually wanted to do it himself or something but then left the project to his son since he was working on How Do You Live?.
Ozzy Osbourne had a "No More Tours" farewell tour... in 1992. His last tour was actually called "No More Tours II" but may actually end up being his last because it got cut short due to COVID +...
Ozzy Osbourne had a "No More Tours" farewell tour... in 1992.
His last tour was actually called "No More Tours II" but may actually end up being his last because it got cut short due to COVID + his Parkinson's progressing is not helping.
Miyazaki has stepped back a number of times after finishing a feature (who wouldn't) but his Wikipedia has him as announcing retirement only once after The Wind Rises in 2013. This is his first...
Miyazaki has stepped back a number of times after finishing a feature (who wouldn't) but his Wikipedia has him as announcing retirement only once after The Wind Rises in 2013. This is his first feature since 2013 as director, and would be by far his longest absence since he starting directing films in 1979.
Am I the only one who sees mostly depression in his movies? I liked a couple of them, but most of them have very dark themes. I could see why he came out of retirement, a couple of his main people...
Am I the only one who sees mostly depression in his movies? I liked a couple of them, but most of them have very dark themes.
I could see why he came out of retirement, a couple of his main people died and he probably needs to keep busy. I've seen a couple of documentaries on him where they follow him around, I highly recommend them.
I saw it in the theater yesterday morning. I am unsure about what actually counts as spoilers with a movie released in this way, even saying it's good or bad could be too much. On a related note,...
I saw it in the theater yesterday morning. I am unsure about what actually counts as spoilers with a movie released in this way, even saying it's good or bad could be too much. On a related note, it'd be nice if a spoiler tag feature was up and going. I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts in a spoiler thread once it is released internationally!
This is my fourth “final Miyazaki film,” but I’m still going to go see it.
His first final film was Mononoke-hime, and in 2013 his final film was The Wind Rises. His final films have a great track record.
So disappointed to read this article and not get a specific release date. Since they made a whole point about not having any trailers or marketing for this movie, that makes me want to see it without spoilers, and the longer it takes to get localized, the longer random asses online have to post spoilers... I'm betting Youtubers will be putting major spoilers in their thumbnails and that sort of thing.
Ok, maybe an aside, but I never understood why people care about spoilers? It's nice to be surprised by some things, but is it really so bad to have some minor thing spoiled for you?
This comes with the caveat that I'm the kind of person who reads the plot of a movie as I'm watching it - especially if it's a horror movie.
I don't understand why some people don't care about spoilers. For me, being surprised that a story went in a direction I couldn't have predicted is the primary thing I enjoy about every medium of entertainment. A good way of explaining it is that rewatching a good movie or watching a movie that I had spoiled is like going to a museum with a tour guide. "On your left you'll see the scene where the hero punches a guy in the face, and on your right you'll see a national monument getting blown up. Now follow me to the gritty backstory exhibit..." Still enjoyable, but more dry. Seeing a movie, and especially playing a game, without spoilers is more like going on a random hike in the woods and finding an artifact yourself like a rare coin or a Native American arrowhead or whatever. It's much more exciting that way.
That depends on a lot of factors. It someone spoiled that for example Insomniac PS4 Spider-Man makes a cameo in Across the Spider-Verse, that's a very minor thing and I wouldn't be mad. With this new Miyazaki movie, though, the goal of Studio Ghibli is to tell you as little as humanly possible before seeing the movie, ensuring you have the least possible expectations before going in. If that's how the creators of the work want me to interact with it, it must be for a good reason, so I want to see it that way.
And I find it stressful! Especially in games at times. I like knowing I didn't miss something, or that some line didn't go over my head.
I'm not saying that I always go out of my way to spoil things for myself, but I also don't mind if it happens and - as I said before - in some cases I seek it out because I get anxiety about what happens in a scene or the fate of a character. This prevents me from actively enjoying the movie.
You bring up a good point about discovering a story being like making a discovery in the woods. I love exploring in real life like that, some of my favorite memories are of wandering in the woods and fields or cities and seeing what I stumble upon, but that's at my own pace. A movie sets it's own pace, and that occasionally disagrees with me. I also enjoy other aspects of a movie such as cinematography, the overall message of the film, the acting, and details such as historical accuracy.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoint.
In a hundred hour game? Yeah, fuck missable things. Especially ones that cut you out really early.
But in a movie that takes a couple hours? Yeah, I can miss something. Either I'm going to care enough for the rewatch to let me catch it or, honestly, I don't need to catch every little thing. I'm not gonna lose any sleep because I didn't notice Tom Cruise's pen said some obscure reference to Risky Business or something.
But, as usual with things that involve artistry, no wrong way to enjoy it as long as it doesn't impact others. I would advocate for my viewpoint though, let the first watch be blind then look up the interviews to learn all about it and watch it again. You'll be freed up from paying close attention to the plot and be able to actually catch all of the little things. That's how I do it, mostly.
This is why I usually look up reviews and discussion threads about a movie after I've seen it. Then I get to see all the tidbits that I was apparently supposed to know about but didn't. I don't worry about that stuff too much during the game or movie itself since the big "unmissable" stuff I got to experience myself, but I can always rely on nerds to let me know exactly what I was supposed to get out of it, lol.
You can never re-experience something for the first time.
As a film example, I remember The Sixth Sense having a huge impact on the zeitgeist when it came out. People just couldn't stop talking about it and how crazy the twist ending was. It was shocking and unexpected and left an impact that really made it feel like it would forever be in the all-time greatest horror pantheon.
But you hardly ever hear anyone talk about it now. I'm not sure it's even a contender for Shyamalan's best movies. At this point, he's better known for his mediocrity than his prowess too, which puts The Sixth Sense in a runner-up position in a list of mediocre movies.
I never watched the movie contemporaneous with it's release, and only saw it over a decade later on streaming. Knowing the twist framed the entire movie, and it just felt so incredibly obvious that I honestly found it a chore to sit through. The movie does not stand together on repeat viewings, but that doesn't make it a bad movie; that just means I was robbed of the experience.
You can absolutely appreciate repeated experiences of things, but you can only experience it for the first time once. Spoilers deny that to people.
Same, I care about the journey, not the destination. However, it depends on the story. A good twist can be fun so I don’t want those spoiled but just like your average ending to something isn’t that surprising so the important stuff is what happens in the middle.
The only saving grace is that the source material really doesn't contain anything you can spoil really. It's not that kind of book.
I don't know how Ghibli will adapt it but it's looking like this will be a bit of a departure for people wanting magical fantasy adventures. That weird title change for Western releases and the poster art will only cause more dissonance when people actually sit down in the theaters.
I thought I read somewhere that it’s not really based on the book. Inspired by but that’s it.
I hope so!
When I first heard of Miyazaki mentioning his love for the book, I got a copy of the English translation by Bruno Navasky. It's just a kid doing normal kid stuff with his uncle's long-winded lectures about morality and philosophy at the end of each chapter.
Then again, it was meant as part of an educational curriculum; a liberal (for pre-war japan) primer on Japanese values for little kids that was released just before WWII ripped everything apart.
How many times has he retired now?
Has he pulled this stunt several times now? Yes. Does whether or not this is a "last film" of his affect my certainty in going to go see it? No. If he announced he was in the full swing again or doing just 1 more I'd see it regardless. So he can do this song and dance however many times he wants if it means more movies.
I feel like he does it every time Ghibli releases a film that's considered a stinker in comparison to their catalogue. So, not really surprised he's doing this after the negative reception Earwig and the Witch received.
How do you live? has been in production since 2016, a full 4 years before Earwig and the Witch released. I wouldn't be surprised if it started production way before Earwig and the Witch did.
I was referring to his 'this is my last film!' announcement, not the film itself.
Oof. It’s like he wanted to leave the legacy of the studio to his son but the guy just doesn’t have the chops. Earwig was a travesty too.
He already said something to the effect of "he wasn't ready" after Tales of Earthsea came out and didn't do well.
I never saw Earwig but obviously it didn't go well. I think Miyazaki actually wanted to do it himself or something but then left the project to his son since he was working on How Do You Live?.
See: every "final tour" by every rock band ever
Ozzy Osbourne had a "No More Tours" farewell tour... in 1992.
His last tour was actually called "No More Tours II" but may actually end up being his last because it got cut short due to COVID + his Parkinson's progressing is not helping.
Miyazaki has stepped back a number of times after finishing a feature (who wouldn't) but his Wikipedia has him as announcing retirement only once after The Wind Rises in 2013. This is his first feature since 2013 as director, and would be by far his longest absence since he starting directing films in 1979.
Am I the only one who sees mostly depression in his movies? I liked a couple of them, but most of them have very dark themes.
I could see why he came out of retirement, a couple of his main people died and he probably needs to keep busy. I've seen a couple of documentaries on him where they follow him around, I highly recommend them.
I saw it in the theater yesterday morning. I am unsure about what actually counts as spoilers with a movie released in this way, even saying it's good or bad could be too much. On a related note, it'd be nice if a spoiler tag feature was up and going. I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts in a spoiler thread once it is released internationally!