As someone who really dislikes JJ Abrams’s projects, I am experiencing a great deal of schadenfreude from the title. This is the man who, from my personal perspective, single-handedly ruined both...
As someone who really dislikes JJ Abrams’s projects, I am experiencing a great deal of schadenfreude from the title. This is the man who, from my personal perspective, single-handedly ruined both Star Trek and Star Wars. While I have never truly loved Star Wars, his handling of the beginning and ending of the sequel trilogy has moved me to hate it. Please don’t tell me that any other post-Abrams show will change my mind. I promise I will watch past the first episode of Andor eventually.
Right now I am waiting for an archive link to show up so I can read the details.
Andor’s first season is an absolute slog. I’m told it really gets good in season two, but I can’t bring myself to watch the first season to get to the second season. I get about half way through...
Andor’s first season is an absolute slog. I’m told it really gets good in season two, but I can’t bring myself to watch the first season to get to the second season. I get about half way through the second or third episode and I tap out to watch something less dreary.
Season 2 might tip the scales with the ending, but they're both of a similarly excellent standard throughout. If you found season 1 a slog then the second is unlikely to change your mind. The show...
Season 2 might tip the scales with the ending, but they're both of a similarly excellent standard throughout. If you found season 1 a slog then the second is unlikely to change your mind. The show has a strong identity and really works as a whole. I'd say if it hasn't clicked by the end of season 1's third arc (
I don't even think you need to get to the third arc. Maybe it's worth pushing through the first three episodes, but I don't think it's the sort of show that starts off shaky but finds its feet....
I don't even think you need to get to the third arc. Maybe it's worth pushing through the first three episodes, but I don't think it's the sort of show that starts off shaky but finds its feet. What you get in episode one is what you get all the way through.
...yeah, the early episodes are just as brilliant as the latter but if someone's turned off by its immersive pacing and brooding themes, those remain throughout; appreciation really demands that...
...yeah, the early episodes are just as brilliant as the latter but if someone's turned off by its immersive pacing and brooding themes, those remain throughout; appreciation really demands that viewers inhabit the experience with focused attention in a manner antithetical to lighter-attention passive consumption...
I might have to give it a fourth watch, but I'll for sure need to make sure I don't have other stuff I'm itching to watch instead to give it proper attention.
I might have to give it a fourth watch, but I'll for sure need to make sure I don't have other stuff I'm itching to watch instead to give it proper attention.
I really enjoyed it but let's be real. If you try to watch something 3 times already, and you still didn't like it, then that thing is just not to your liking, and that's ok.
I really enjoyed it but let's be real. If you try to watch something 3 times already, and you still didn't like it, then that thing is just not to your liking, and that's ok.
That's fair, although it took me 4 attempts to watch Stargate Universe before I watched it all and I liked it. Sometimes I just have to be able to focus.
That's fair, although it took me 4 attempts to watch Stargate Universe before I watched it all and I liked it. Sometimes I just have to be able to focus.
If you can, maybe try watching in three episodes bursts and treat each arc like a long movie. Get the popcorn out, lights dimmed, phone on airplane mode. It's a series that respects the viewer's...
If you can, maybe try watching in three episodes bursts and treat each arc like a long movie. Get the popcorn out, lights dimmed, phone on airplane mode. It's a series that respects the viewer's intelligence but needs your undivided attention in return.
If you've not enjoyed the first couple of episodes, season two probably won't be much better. It's all the same slow burn character drama, and I think it's slightly better in the first season...
If you've not enjoyed the first couple of episodes, season two probably won't be much better. It's all the same slow burn character drama, and I think it's slightly better in the first season where the overarching narrative arc is tied to a single character, whereas in the second season it feels like there's more going on at once and some of the characters feel a bit underwritten.
I really like it, I will always recommend it, but I can understand why people would see it as a slog.
For me it was tough to draw my attention to it. I'm a notorious second-screener, so some stuff I'll put on as pleasant noise as I do other things, but stuff like this I prefer to pay attention...
For me it was tough to draw my attention to it. I'm a notorious second-screener, so some stuff I'll put on as pleasant noise as I do other things, but stuff like this I prefer to pay attention like I'm reading a book. During Andor I kept finding myself in another tab or back on my phone. Because I know that I can sometimes not be giving things my attention because I'm having a poor attention-keeping day, I've tried Andor three different times over the course of about 9 months and I just bounced off each time. I think for me to enjoy it I'd need to carve out time to watch each season in one go.
Yeah, Andor is definitely something that's with watching by itself, but because it's slower-paced, I found I needed to force myself to take the time to watch it properly.
Yeah, Andor is definitely something that's with watching by itself, but because it's slower-paced, I found I needed to force myself to take the time to watch it properly.
It certainly seems more like cinema than slop, but it’s still a slog when I haven’t got the spoons, forks, knives or other cutlery used to describe mental stamina.
It certainly seems more like cinema than slop, but it’s still a slog when I haven’t got the spoons, forks, knives or other cutlery used to describe mental stamina.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say the first season was particularly hard to get through (Maybe the first 2-3 episodes?). I like both a lot, and one of the great things for me is both...
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say the first season was particularly hard to get through (Maybe the first 2-3 episodes?). I like both a lot, and one of the great things for me is both seasons are pretty balanced, which feels kind of hard to do nowadays.
But that also makes it a pretty easy show to stop if the first season doesn't resonate since its more or less the same, just wrapped up to set up the movie.
Slog?? I'm personally offended and I came to the show with a heavy, multi-decade dislike for Star Wars. There was a long setup, but damn, I was captivated from the beginning.
Slog?? I'm personally offended and I came to the show with a heavy, multi-decade dislike for Star Wars.
There was a long setup, but damn, I was captivated from the beginning.
I think your blame is a little misplaced; entirely possible I'm wrong, but my vague understanding of the movie industry would say that your ire should be directed at the executives who brought on...
I think your blame is a little misplaced; entirely possible I'm wrong, but my vague understanding of the movie industry would say that your ire should be directed at the executives who brought on JJ Abrams to direct because they wanted the movies to have his style.
On tildes someone once taught me that you can get around some paywalls with Firefox's "reading mode" (the "document" icon that sometimes appears in the URL bar) and that worked for me here.
On tildes someone once taught me that you can get around some paywalls with Firefox's "reading mode" (the "document" icon that sometimes appears in the URL bar) and that worked for me here.
Kind of unrelated, but I can't not think about Damon Lindelof when I hear JJ Abrams, I really dig a lot of Lindelof's post-JJ TV writing work. Leftovers, Watchmen, Mrs. Davis are all rewatches for...
Kind of unrelated, but I can't not think about Damon Lindelof when I hear JJ Abrams, I really dig a lot of Lindelof's post-JJ TV writing work. Leftovers, Watchmen, Mrs. Davis are all rewatches for me, and you can really feel his story telling style in these.
Its a bit ironic that JJ has been trying to get a DC project going for 7 years after signing with Warner Bros, and Lindelof has Lanterns premiering in August.
As someone who really dislikes JJ Abrams’s projects, I am experiencing a great deal of schadenfreude from the title. This is the man who, from my personal perspective, single-handedly ruined both Star Trek and Star Wars. While I have never truly loved Star Wars, his handling of the beginning and ending of the sequel trilogy has moved me to hate it. Please don’t tell me that any other post-Abrams show will change my mind. I promise I will watch past the first episode of Andor eventually.
Right now I am waiting for an archive link to show up so I can read the details.
Andor’s first season is an absolute slog. I’m told it really gets good in season two, but I can’t bring myself to watch the first season to get to the second season. I get about half way through the second or third episode and I tap out to watch something less dreary.
Season 2 might tip the scales with the ending, but they're both of a similarly excellent standard throughout. If you found season 1 a slog then the second is unlikely to change your mind. The show has a strong identity and really works as a whole. I'd say if it hasn't clicked by the end of season 1's third arc (
the prison one
I don't even think you need to get to the third arc. Maybe it's worth pushing through the first three episodes, but I don't think it's the sort of show that starts off shaky but finds its feet. What you get in episode one is what you get all the way through.
...yeah, the early episodes are just as brilliant as the latter but if someone's turned off by its immersive pacing and brooding themes, those remain throughout; appreciation really demands that viewers inhabit the experience with focused attention in a manner antithetical to lighter-attention passive consumption...
I might have to give it a fourth watch, but I'll for sure need to make sure I don't have other stuff I'm itching to watch instead to give it proper attention.
I really enjoyed it but let's be real. If you try to watch something 3 times already, and you still didn't like it, then that thing is just not to your liking, and that's ok.
That's fair, although it took me 4 attempts to watch Stargate Universe before I watched it all and I liked it. Sometimes I just have to be able to focus.
If you can, maybe try watching in three episodes bursts and treat each arc like a long movie. Get the popcorn out, lights dimmed, phone on airplane mode. It's a series that respects the viewer's intelligence but needs your undivided attention in return.
Definitely going to be some focused watching for sure.
If you've not enjoyed the first couple of episodes, season two probably won't be much better. It's all the same slow burn character drama, and I think it's slightly better in the first season where the overarching narrative arc is tied to a single character, whereas in the second season it feels like there's more going on at once and some of the characters feel a bit underwritten.
I really like it, I will always recommend it, but I can understand why people would see it as a slog.
For me it was tough to draw my attention to it. I'm a notorious second-screener, so some stuff I'll put on as pleasant noise as I do other things, but stuff like this I prefer to pay attention like I'm reading a book. During Andor I kept finding myself in another tab or back on my phone. Because I know that I can sometimes not be giving things my attention because I'm having a poor attention-keeping day, I've tried Andor three different times over the course of about 9 months and I just bounced off each time. I think for me to enjoy it I'd need to carve out time to watch each season in one go.
Yeah, Andor is definitely something that's with watching by itself, but because it's slower-paced, I found I needed to force myself to take the time to watch it properly.
It certainly seems more like cinema than slop, but it’s still a slog when I haven’t got the spoons, forks, knives or other cutlery used to describe mental stamina.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say the first season was particularly hard to get through (Maybe the first 2-3 episodes?). I like both a lot, and one of the great things for me is both seasons are pretty balanced, which feels kind of hard to do nowadays.
But that also makes it a pretty easy show to stop if the first season doesn't resonate since its more or less the same, just wrapped up to set up the movie.
Slog?? I'm personally offended and I came to the show with a heavy, multi-decade dislike for Star Wars.
There was a long setup, but damn, I was captivated from the beginning.
If it's paywalled, then I guess either uBlock Origin or NoScript is allowing me to read the full article.
This is an archive.ph link.
Here’s your archive link
https://archive.is/z1azq
I think your blame is a little misplaced; entirely possible I'm wrong, but my vague understanding of the movie industry would say that your ire should be directed at the executives who brought on JJ Abrams to direct because they wanted the movies to have his style.
Yes, but with the power of bitterness and hate I can blame both of them!
Ah, you have defeated the false binary of my Koyabushi Maru paragdim to boldy go your own way instead. Very Trek.
But not Abrams Trek, obviously. ;)
On tildes someone once taught me that you can get around some paywalls with Firefox's "reading mode" (the "document" icon that sometimes appears in the URL bar) and that worked for me here.
Didn't work for me unfortunately.
But disabling JavaScript on the page through uBlock Origin did the trick!
Kind of unrelated, but I can't not think about Damon Lindelof when I hear JJ Abrams, I really dig a lot of Lindelof's post-JJ TV writing work. Leftovers, Watchmen, Mrs. Davis are all rewatches for me, and you can really feel his story telling style in these.
Its a bit ironic that JJ has been trying to get a DC project going for 7 years after signing with Warner Bros, and Lindelof has Lanterns premiering in August.