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Disney’s live-action Little Mermaid will star a black Ariel

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  1. [6]
    ammut
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    This casting doesn't bother me one bit. I honestly don't care who they cast for this role. I wasn't planning on seeing it and still am not planning on seeing it. This new development didn't sway...

    This casting doesn't bother me one bit. I honestly don't care who they cast for this role. I wasn't planning on seeing it and still am not planning on seeing it. This new development didn't sway me one way or the other.

    15 votes
    1. SunSpotter
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      Probably the most reasonable take on this whole thing tbh. Guarantee most people on reddit were never going to see it either, which makes this whole outrage kind of funny. Just a bunch of adult...

      Probably the most reasonable take on this whole thing tbh. Guarantee most people on reddit were never going to see it either, which makes this whole outrage kind of funny. Just a bunch of adult males arguing about a movie they would never actually watch.

      7 votes
    2. Amarok
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      Pretty much sums up modern hollywood for me. The only film I have the slightest interest in seeing is Tarantino's new film. I couldn't care less about Disney's reboots or anything else they do....

      Pretty much sums up modern hollywood for me. The only film I have the slightest interest in seeing is Tarantino's new film. I couldn't care less about Disney's reboots or anything else they do. There was a time that I did care, but the eternal slide in quality coming out of tinseltown has convinced me there are better things to do with my time than waste it watching lame, unimaginative movies and cash grab reboots. I won't miss 'cinema' culture when half the theaters close. The art house spots will still be open, that's enough for me. ;)

      1 vote
    3. [3]
      elcuello
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      I'm surprised you even bothered to comment then...

      I'm surprised you even bothered to comment then...

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        aphoenix
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        I'm not speaking for @ammut, but I think that having a recognition of the default, reasonable behaviour as a comment is an important thing that is often lacking. This isn't relevant to most people...

        I'm not speaking for @ammut, but I think that having a recognition of the default, reasonable behaviour as a comment is an important thing that is often lacking. This isn't relevant to most people as they are not the target audience, they weren't going to see the movie, and this doesn't change that for them. All too often, it's only the people who are adamant about an issue who have a voice, so the default ("meh") is often overlooked.

        This is pretty "meh". I'm mostly in the same boat as @ammut - this doesn't change whether I see the movie or not, or my general enthusiasm about it (though I'm at "I will see this movie" and "I am not super enthusiastic about it" - the joys of fatherhood).

        8 votes
        1. elcuello
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          That's some damn good points, son! A new perspective I didn't think about.

          That's some damn good points, son! A new perspective I didn't think about.

          1 vote
  2. [16]
    alyaza
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    as usual this has a small number of people baying about the (((SJWs))) and how ariel can't possibly be black, as if faithful representation down to the tiniest details is literally the only goal...

    as usual this has a small number of people baying about the (((SJWs))) and how ariel can't possibly be black, as if faithful representation down to the tiniest details is literally the only goal to aspire to when doing a live action remake or as if disney actually gives a fuck about "faithful representation" down to the tiniest details given their other live action projects historically and in the future (literally what the fuck is the lion king's color palette, my dudes?).

    god bless the fucking idiotic culture wars people have created, jesus.

    11 votes
    1. babypuncher
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      They are overreacting because they are losing a culture ware they created. Disney does things like this and doesn't even blink, it's not harming their revenue at all. Nike advertises with...

      They are overreacting because they are losing a culture ware they created.

      Disney does things like this and doesn't even blink, it's not harming their revenue at all. Nike advertises with Kaepernick and their sales go up. The reality is, the loud people are economically insignificant. They see the writing on the wall when Disney does this and writes them off, because Disney wouldn't be doing this if it was hurting their bottom line.

      16 votes
    2. [7]
      moocow1452
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      There are also a considerable amount of posts in /r/movies from people with ginger hair disappointed that Ariel is being race lifted, which I'm going to assume are legitimate feelings being signal...

      There are also a considerable amount of posts in /r/movies from people with ginger hair disappointed that Ariel is being race lifted, which I'm going to assume are legitimate feelings being signal boosted as part of a shit fling. I'm not entirely sure how to feel about it in a vacuum, but the animated version isn't probably going to be displaced as the better film, and if the new Mermaid has the Disney magic for some new group of children, more power to them.

      8 votes
      1. [6]
        Loire
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        Thats two iconic redheads in Disney properties that have been race swapped, now that I think about it.

        Thats two iconic redheads in Disney properties that have been race swapped, now that I think about it.

        3 votes
        1. moocow1452
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          Now that Disney has absorbed Fox, they can recast EVEN MORE Redheads! They must be stopped!

          Now that Disney has absorbed Fox, they can recast EVEN MORE Redheads! They must be stopped!

          1 vote
        2. [4]
          dubteedub
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          So? Do you think the black MJ is a bad choice? Do you think having a black Ariel will have any negative effect on the story or its presentation? These are fictional characters. The outrage seems...

          So?

          Do you think the black MJ is a bad choice?

          Do you think having a black Ariel will have any negative effect on the story or its presentation?

          These are fictional characters. The outrage seems to just be "why they putting black people in my movies?" This is a mermaid we are talking about here. This isnt even based on some Scottish lore like Brave. Its a made up sea person. Theres no reason they couldnt be whatever race they wanted.

          It also took nearly 80 years for Disney to make a movie featuring a black princess in 2009. I think it is great having more representation and diversity in these casting choices.

          1. [3]
            Loire
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            It was supposed to be a vaguely humorous comment connecting the dots (Disney hates Gingers) and not some insight into "white genociiiiiiide".

            It was supposed to be a vaguely humorous comment connecting the dots (Disney hates Gingers) and not some insight into "white genociiiiiiide".

            4 votes
            1. dubteedub
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              Ahh sorry. People are unironically making that actual argument all over r/movies, r/unpopularopinion, and r/kotakuinaction on Reddit so my sarcasm radar is a bit off.

              Ahh sorry. People are unironically making that actual argument all over r/movies, r/unpopularopinion, and r/kotakuinaction on Reddit so my sarcasm radar is a bit off.

              4 votes
            2. NaraVara
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              Poe’s law is in full effect in threads like this.

              Poe’s law is in full effect in threads like this.

              2 votes
    3. [7]
      mundane_and_naive
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      How could a people living at the bottom of the sea possibly be exposed to enough sunlight to have dark skin to begin with? I can't help but feel like this is the kind of thing that could come...

      How could a people living at the bottom of the sea possibly be exposed to enough sunlight to have dark skin to begin with? I can't help but feel like this is the kind of thing that could come right out of Atlanta (the TV show) or something.

      1 vote
      1. [3]
        alyaza
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        i mean, why does the color of the fictitious mermaids or the biological or theoretical standing of such color matter? it's like 27th on the list of things which require suspension of disbelief for...

        i mean, why does the color of the fictitious mermaids or the biological or theoretical standing of such color matter? it's like 27th on the list of things which require suspension of disbelief for the little mermaid to make "sense" as a story if you're going interpret it in any sort of realistic way.

        12 votes
        1. mundane_and_naive
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          You're right, it doesn't. I guess it only bothers you if you try to think about it too much.

          You're right, it doesn't. I guess it only bothers you if you try to think about it too much.

          5 votes
        2. SuperGracchiBros
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          Debates about Ariel's skin colour are about as useful as debate's about Santa's.

          Debates about Ariel's skin colour are about as useful as debate's about Santa's.

      2. kdtsh
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        I’m willing to suspend disbelief about skin colour in a story about English-speaking mermaids.

        I’m willing to suspend disbelief about skin colour in a story about English-speaking mermaids.

        6 votes
      3. Photon
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        How do they breathe too? It's a fantasy world, it doesn't play by our rules.

        How do they breathe too?

        It's a fantasy world, it doesn't play by our rules.

        2 votes
      4. moriarty
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        Seriously! And what's with those nostrils too?!

        Seriously! And what's with those nostrils too?!

        2 votes
  3. vakieh
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    I have such low expectations of the Disney live action remake stuff that to be quite honest I'm just happy they've given me some entertainment in the ranting and raving this will cause on the...

    I have such low expectations of the Disney live action remake stuff that to be quite honest I'm just happy they've given me some entertainment in the ranting and raving this will cause on the internet.

    I want them to make a live action Frozen where Elsa is a bearded lady with a booming baritone voice and Anna has a cockney accent.

    5 votes
  4. [2]
    jtemo
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    Probably the pessimist in me, but it feels like any more these decisions are made knowing it's going to inevitably trigger a few folks that hate on that presence of 'social justice' no matter...

    Probably the pessimist in me, but it feels like any more these decisions are made knowing it's going to inevitably trigger a few folks that hate on that presence of 'social justice' no matter what. A few of them will inevitably say some ignorant shit, and the internet media machine will create news, posts, memes, whatever, all pointing out those handful of people that are saying some obviously not okay things about something that's otherwise just not interesting.

    If she was white, who would care? Not about the decision, but the movie. Who would be putting this movie in the news for any reason other than being another uninspired live action remake?

    3 votes
    1. Photon
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      There's always an element of commercialism, it's a company after all. At least it says something about how society is changing that they'd do this in the first place though.

      There's always an element of commercialism, it's a company after all. At least it says something about how society is changing that they'd do this in the first place though.

      1 vote
  5. MimicSquid
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    Reading that article, there's a lot of discussion about a small nose, round cheeks, big eyes and so on. While Halle Bailey's skin tone is darker, her facial structure (at least in that picture in...

    Reading that article, there's a lot of discussion about a small nose, round cheeks, big eyes and so on. While Halle Bailey's skin tone is darker, her facial structure (at least in that picture in the article) is very much in line with the exact thing that the article is decrying as the standard. I think its great that there's a wider diversity of representation in Hollywood, but even as the skin tone of a Disney princess broadens, the facial structure has barely shifted.

    3 votes
  6. Phantaminium
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    No one would be talking about this movie, which will be just as uninspired as the other remakes, if there wasn't a black girl cast as Ariel. Stirring up a conversation that's got more to do with...

    No one would be talking about this movie, which will be just as uninspired as the other remakes, if there wasn't a black girl cast as Ariel. Stirring up a conversation that's got more to do with the present political climate rather than the quality of the actual film is exactly what Disney wants.

    The conversation around this casting shouldn't even be engaged as all it does is give Disney free promotion for what at a surface level is a rather uninspired cash grab of a film and will have people build stronger feelings for or against it. I highly doubt it will even be worthy of getting upset/defending.

    No one has been raving about how great the Disney remakes are, no one was interested in the next one. No one is going to watch it other than people with kids and the kids won't care much. This is pure bait.

    3 votes
  7. Deva
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    I had to double read that headline because I thought they were casting Halle Berry. Well I have nothing against casting issue since artistic creativity should never have any limitations. I am...

    I had to double read that headline because I thought they were casting Halle Berry. Well I have nothing against casting issue since artistic creativity should never have any limitations. I am kinda wishing for Dwayne Johnson or Terry Crews as King Triton since this movie is just gonna be another Disney cash grab.

    3 votes