In the case of the MCU, there is quite a bit character development, but it's split in multiple movies. So, if you jump into movie twenty something, I can see how things might feel as lacking...
In the case of the MCU, there is quite a bit character development, but it's split in multiple movies. So, if you jump into movie twenty something, I can see how things might feel as lacking humanity. But, if you follow the universe since the beginning, it is full of relatable drama. I don't think that's a matter of scale. There are plenty of universes with immense cosmic stakes that are also full of humanity.
Makes sense to me and I think I agree. I dont think I can put it into words either, but to me, something is missing in the theme of these movies. I understand the appeal of the expansive universe...
Maybe another way to poorly describe what I want is more superhero media that is Dune rather than Star Wars if that makes any sense?
Makes sense to me and I think I agree. I dont think I can put it into words either, but to me, something is missing in the theme of these movies. I understand the appeal of the expansive universe and the action, and frankly, they are really well done for what they are. Hell, if they started coming out ten years earlier I probably would have been on board. But as an older, more boring moviegoer, I prefer the deeper social/political undertones of movies like Dune. I want the action to come secondary, and with Marvel movies, and most of the Star Wars films, it feels like the action comes first while the plot and themes are more of an afterthought.
It sounds like action movies are not your thing! Marvel's IPs come from a time when comic books for adults were not that big. They're mostly elementary and juvenile, and that is evident in the...
It sounds like action movies are not your thing!
Marvel's IPs come from a time when comic books for adults were not that big. They're mostly elementary and juvenile, and that is evident in the movies. So, if you're looking for deep, sophisticated, nuanced narratives, you won't find them in the MCU. I don't think that'll ever the be case. DC, on the other hand, could become what you're looking for (but probably won't).
Well, if you don't like them, why the hell you keep watching them? :P And yeah it makes sense. I'm not sure if you'll get it though. Super hero comic books are generally not that deep. But you may...
Well, if you don't like them, why the hell you keep watching them? :P
And yeah it makes sense. I'm not sure if you'll get it though. Super hero comic books are generally not that deep. But you may enjoy comic book movies and TV shows without super heroes, like the Sandman upcoming series, or super hero deconstruction such as Watchmen and The Boys.
It's not exactly what you described, but you might like the Doom Patrol series. While things can get a bit kooky and wild, the setups seem mainly to drive the personal struggles and development of...
It's not exactly what you described, but you might like the Doom Patrol series. While things can get a bit kooky and wild, the setups seem mainly to drive the personal struggles and development of flawed/traumatized characters and their interactions with one another.
For something much grittier, and perhaps closer to what you described, check out The Boys series. "It follows the eponymous team of [human] vigilantes as they combat superpowered individuals who abuse their abilities".
I'm wondering what you thought of Hancock (if you saw it). I thought it focussed on the characters more than the "super-plot". And then there is Jumper, also a great alternative superhero/antihero...
I'm wondering what you thought of Hancock (if you saw it). I thought it focussed on the characters more than the "super-plot".
And then there is Jumper, also a great alternative superhero/antihero movie. (fair warning, Sam Jackson is still in it. cannot escape.)
Oh, I guess "superpower" is enough for me. =D I used to watch Hancock, Jumper and Unbreakable (with, surprise surprise, Samuel L. Jackson) back to back as they all broke the usual hero format.
Oh, I guess "superpower" is enough for me. =D
I used to watch Hancock, Jumper and Unbreakable (with, surprise surprise, Samuel L. Jackson) back to back as they all broke the usual hero format.
Have you by any chance seen Chronicle? “ down-to-earth about people, as realistic as can be considering the powers involved, especially in documenting the utter violence possible with those...
Have you by any chance seen Chronicle? “ down-to-earth about people, as realistic as can be considering the powers involved, especially in documenting the utter violence possible with those powers, with a sprinkling of eldritch horror where necessary” is… almost exactly how I would describe that movie. It might be worth a watch, if you haven’t!
Totally get what you're saying, though I still enjoy them all. Did you watch any of the Netflix Marvel hero series? (Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Daredevil) Those I find much more "down-to-Earth" as...
Totally get what you're saying, though I still enjoy them all.
Did you watch any of the Netflix Marvel hero series? (Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Daredevil) Those I find much more "down-to-Earth" as it where.
This played as the second post-credits scene after the new Spider-Man, which felt weird. They just slapped a trailer at the end seemingly without any edits.
This played as the second post-credits scene after the new Spider-Man, which felt weird. They just slapped a trailer at the end seemingly without any edits.
It may or may not be Strange Supreme from the What If... tie in show. That's a variant of Dr. Strange that consumed evil magic to do a dubious thing.
It may or may not be Strange Supreme from the What If... tie in show. That's a variant of Dr. Strange that comes with guac and queso consumed evil magic to do a dubious thing.
There was an evil Dr. Strange there, and an evil Dr. Strange here, and both involve the multiverse, so I dunno. My understanding is that What If is self contained, and not required viewing for...
There was an evil Dr. Strange there, and an evil Dr. Strange here, and both involve the multiverse, so I dunno. My understanding is that What If is self contained, and not required viewing for what's supposed to be a tentpole movie, but weirder stuff has happened.
Man, the MCU is starting to remind of when I quit reading Marvel and DC comics. I can't keep up with all the stuff coming out. If they're introducing stuff from the non-canon animated offshoot at...
Man, the MCU is starting to remind of when I quit reading Marvel and DC comics. I can't keep up with all the stuff coming out. If they're introducing stuff from the non-canon animated offshoot at this point, I just hope it doesn't become homework.
In the case of the MCU, there is quite a bit character development, but it's split in multiple movies. So, if you jump into movie twenty something, I can see how things might feel as lacking humanity. But, if you follow the universe since the beginning, it is full of relatable drama. I don't think that's a matter of scale. There are plenty of universes with immense cosmic stakes that are also full of humanity.
Makes sense to me and I think I agree. I dont think I can put it into words either, but to me, something is missing in the theme of these movies. I understand the appeal of the expansive universe and the action, and frankly, they are really well done for what they are. Hell, if they started coming out ten years earlier I probably would have been on board. But as an older, more boring moviegoer, I prefer the deeper social/political undertones of movies like Dune. I want the action to come secondary, and with Marvel movies, and most of the Star Wars films, it feels like the action comes first while the plot and themes are more of an afterthought.
It sounds like action movies are not your thing!
Marvel's IPs come from a time when comic books for adults were not that big. They're mostly elementary and juvenile, and that is evident in the movies. So, if you're looking for deep, sophisticated, nuanced narratives, you won't find them in the MCU. I don't think that'll ever the be case. DC, on the other hand, could become what you're looking for (but probably won't).
Well, if you don't like them, why the hell you keep watching them? :P
And yeah it makes sense. I'm not sure if you'll get it though. Super hero comic books are generally not that deep. But you may enjoy comic book movies and TV shows without super heroes, like the Sandman upcoming series, or super hero deconstruction such as Watchmen and The Boys.
I get your point. A tad hyperbolic :P, but I get your point
It's not exactly what you described, but you might like the Doom Patrol series. While things can get a bit kooky and wild, the setups seem mainly to drive the personal struggles and development of flawed/traumatized characters and their interactions with one another.
For something much grittier, and perhaps closer to what you described, check out The Boys series. "It follows the eponymous team of [human] vigilantes as they combat superpowered individuals who abuse their abilities".
I'm wondering what you thought of Hancock (if you saw it). I thought it focussed on the characters more than the "super-plot".
And then there is Jumper, also a great alternative superhero/antihero movie. (fair warning, Sam Jackson is still in it. cannot escape.)
Have you seen those? what did you think?
Oh, I guess "superpower" is enough for me. =D
I used to watch Hancock, Jumper and Unbreakable (with, surprise surprise, Samuel L. Jackson) back to back as they all broke the usual hero format.
Have you by any chance seen Chronicle? “ down-to-earth about people, as realistic as can be considering the powers involved, especially in documenting the utter violence possible with those powers, with a sprinkling of eldritch horror where necessary” is… almost exactly how I would describe that movie. It might be worth a watch, if you haven’t!
Totally get what you're saying, though I still enjoy them all.
Did you watch any of the Netflix Marvel hero series? (Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Daredevil) Those I find much more "down-to-Earth" as it where.
This played as the second post-credits scene after the new Spider-Man, which felt weird. They just slapped a trailer at the end seemingly without any edits.
They did the same for The Avengers at the end of the first Captain America movie.
I have very little to add except that Dr. Strange's evil doppelganger should be called Dr. Stranger.
It may or may not be Strange Supreme from the What If... tie in show. That's a variant of Dr. Strange that
comes with guac and quesoconsumed evil magic to do a dubious thing.Wait, was the What If show not just one off non-canon stories?
There was an evil Dr. Strange there, and an evil Dr. Strange here, and both involve the multiverse, so I dunno. My understanding is that What If is self contained, and not required viewing for what's supposed to be a tentpole movie, but weirder stuff has happened.
Man, the MCU is starting to remind of when I quit reading Marvel and DC comics. I can't keep up with all the stuff coming out. If they're introducing stuff from the non-canon animated offshoot at this point, I just hope it doesn't become homework.